I find your reply very irritating, as it lacks any scientific facts. If you take the top 100 websites in the world you will see that 40% are written in PHP.
Yahoo is worth around 50 Billion Dollars (a little bit more than the $100,000 you mentioned). Facebook is currently estimated to be worth 10 billlion, and its written in PHP. And yes, we do know about design patterns, and we use them, and there are lots of PHP books dedicated to teach Design patterns. We do have ORMs (more than Java), and we write most of our apps in MVC. And SOA is very well supported in PHP. What you fail to see is that PHP is a different paradigm, this is the reason why there are no application servers, PHP design philosophy is against it. There's a thing called "shared nothing like architecture", this design philosophy is what made scaling PHP very easy, just throw commodity hardware and cluster it. - Ammar On Nov 17, 2007 12:27 PM, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > looooooool > man u really know NOTHING about Java, all u keep saying, Variables > mesh 3aref shu... come on !! that what you know about Java > if you wana make a debate about Java at LEAST read a little bit more > than what u took in UNI. > what do u know u PHP ppl about Designs and Design Patterns !! > what do u know about pooling, threading, ORM, MVC... anything!! > do u have gr8 Application Servers like IBM OR BEA !! > do u have gr8 Portals like IBM one > do u have gr8 Processing Servers !! > all u know about Java is JSP and J2SE, and u dont even know it well!! > what about EJB, WebServices with Java, RMI... bla bla bla > and one more thing !! now u talking about OO, these days nobody is > talking about OO and its Designs > now the Service Oriented Architecture is the current thing we talk > about, so keep on track > did u see E-GOV on PHP, or SME solution on PHP ???!!! NO, why ?, cuz > its not even a language > maybe its good for web applications that do nothing but saving on DB > and retrieve from DB, but if u wanna make a BIG business with > security, Reliability, extendability...etc for a Bank, E-GOV, SME > solutions..etc what PHP can provide !! > u dont even know J2EE ! > just keep working on the small projects abu 100,000 $ > and let us Handling the millions :D:D > > > > On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, "Al-Faisal El-Dajani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > > > I just had a _very_ heated debate with a friend of mine about the merits > of > > using Java, and just wanted your input on the matter. I was a Java fan > up > > until I left university and met the real world, and there, the whole > > paradigm of predefined variables just crumpled on itself. > > > > I just can't stop thinking that in the 12 years that Java has existed > (and > > hardware has evolved 8x, according to moore's law), Java applications > have > > not gained one ounce of speed that the hardware should be giving. I > mean, > > they seem to be some kind of performance blackholes. Seriously, whenever > I > > use any Java application (Azureus, OpenOffice, Eclipse), I actually feel > > physical pain. > > > > And ever since I tried out PHP and Ruby, I just completely lost faith in > ALL > > strongly typed languages. I mean, come on, do I really need to specify > that > > this variable is a double? It's some space in memory that I use to > whatever > > ends I see fit. If you want to protect me as a developer from using my > > variables in the way I want, then perhaps the language should be > developed > > using wizards and auto code generators like a certain set of other > languages > > does. > > > > The Java proponents, however, keep saying "well, it works on all > platforms". > > That is true, but I'll take online applications over Java anyday of the > > week. I actually _prefer_ network latency to Java's performance, at > least > > the PC would be free to do a sophisticated thing as "Multitasking". And > > sometimes I retort with this qoute <http://bash.org/?338364> which > usually > > shuts them up :). > > > > Another point that Java proponents use (or at least try to), is the > claim > > that Java is an OO language as opposed to PHP (and they seem to prefer > JSP > > over PHP, go figure...). Of course I would (politely) point to them that > > PHP5 is OO, and more importantly that Java is not fully OO. No offense, > but > > ever after using Ruby, I don't view Java to be the pinnacle of OO (as it > > shouldn't be). > > > > Now don't get me wrong, this extends to languages far beyond Java, but > the > > question I have is: Am I being overly critical of Java? Is there any > merit > > to my points? or theirs? What's your input? > > > > -- > > Al-Faisal El-Dajani > > Phone: +962-7-79 73 70 50 > > P.O Box: 140056 > > 11814 Amman, Jordan > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jolug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Jolug?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
