On Nov 17, 2:26 pm, "Ala'a Ibrahim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it's seams that you missed the first line of my previous email, but what the
> hell, Let's have some fun :P, you are making my day
>
> about the ability, well sure I can.
> DP,MVC .. etc, what does a language need, we are already doing it with PHP,
> you might try to use google and search for PHP and design patterns, and it
> seams that you are so much restricted to the language you are using, be
> careful it seams that Java is Programming you. quoting Tyler Durden "Fight
> Club", the stuff you own ends up owning you.
> political issues, oh so you don't think it true, ok Let me ask you a simple
> question, why does our government use M$ windows on all of it's servers, no
cuz its easier
from where they will get all the unix Admins. that they paid much
> it's not a political issue, or why are they developing their E-Gov using
> .Net, oh, cause it's the best Technology out there. Just think a little bit.
> And speaking of E-Gov, well Java is not close to compete there, it's mostly
u know nothing about JAVA !!!
> between .Net, and ColdFusion. so let's not make an issue out of it.
>
> Man, we are not yesterday's programmers, it seams that you are so
> enlightened and you think that we are stupid or so, I guess you are really
> paid high, like a million a month or something, but I'm sure you worth more.
ya3ni if we are in debate and we have different views makes one of us
stupid !!! jadd weird
> and dude, the numbers we are working with in our company, 1 month project
> might buy your whole company, and yes, we get millions, don't think that if
> you know someone who works with PHP, you know the whole market of PHP.
walla i know a lot :) 3ashan heak ana ba7ki
plus that u still afraid to talk NUMBERS
>
> and it seams that either I'm so stupid to understand your questions or ...
la2 hoon babalesh a7kealak 3eab 3aleak, o eza ma bte3raf trod la te7ki
be hada el osloob
> Good luck,
u 2
>
> On 11/17/07, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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> > its not related to Programing language, but what language can do it !!
> > can u do it on PHP !!
> > can u do Big finanical or e-gov projects with PHP !
>
> > <quote>
> > > Well, Amer, I guess you need to be a little bit enlightened about where
> > did
> > > PHP is these days. Design Patterns, MVC, ORM ... etc., these stuff are
> > not
> > > much related to the Programming language as they are for the person
> > doing
> > > programming.
> > </quote>
>
> > its not related to Programing language, but what language can do it !!
>
> > <quote>
> > > Also, OOP and SOA, they are 2 different things that serve 2 different
> > > purposes, yes SOA is there, but even when you are working with a good
> > SOA,
> > > you come across OO issues.
> > </quote>
>
> > i know its different 2 things,
> > ya3ni enta bedak te7kili 3anha :S
> > but u didnt answer my question can u do it with PHP ???!! 4 sure NOOO
>
> > <quote>
> > > If you are talking about about E-Gov solutions, well it's more related
> > to
> > > political issues than to what it really needs,
> > </quote>
>
> > loooool, its about political issues !!!!
>
> > and about Technology, well
> > > it's out there, knock yourself out, it's more about if what you need to
> > do
> > > the job, in the end, I don't care if there is a 64 Processor HPIS
> > server,
> > > with a big set of expensive software to run my software, or if it is a
> > > simple PII machine, running on free software, and they both end doing
> > the
> > > same Job.
> > > But, if we were in a position to make a decision about a certain set of
> > > requirements for an application, on what language would suit you better,
> > in
> > > the end client doesn't care if you wrote it in an assembly language, he
> > > cares about the end result, and the money he is paying.
> > > Xushi makes a good point, it's not right to compare these types of
> > > languages, but in the end everything is comparable. :P
>
> > man u didnt answer ANY of my questions
> > khasheetli be el seyaseh o mesh 3aref shu
> > what PHP can do in enterprise solutions !! its NOTHING
> > and shu aktar project ur company make ?? 50,000$ ???
> > its not even a language !
>
> > > On 11/17/07, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > looooooool
> > > > man u really know NOTHING about Java, all u keep saying, Variables
> > > > mesh 3aref shu... come on !! that what you know about Java
> > > > if you wana make a debate about Java at LEAST read a little bit more
> > > > than what u took in UNI.
> > > > what do u know u PHP ppl about Designs and Design Patterns !!
> > > > what do u know about pooling, threading, ORM, MVC... anything!!
> > > > do u have gr8 Application Servers like IBM OR BEA !!
> > > > do u have gr8 Portals like IBM one
> > > > do u have gr8 Processing Servers !!
> > > > all u know about Java is JSP and J2SE, and u dont even know it well!!
> > > > what about EJB, WebServices with Java, RMI... bla bla bla
> > > > and one more thing !! now u talking about OO, these days nobody is
> > > > talking about OO and its Designs
> > > > now the Service Oriented Architecture is the current thing we talk
> > > > about, so keep on track
> > > > did u see E-GOV on PHP, or SME solution on PHP ???!!! NO, why ?, cuz
> > > > its not even a language
> > > > maybe its good for web applications that do nothing but saving on DB
> > > > and retrieve from DB, but if u wanna make a BIG business with
> > > > security, Reliability, extendability...etc for a Bank, E-GOV, SME
> > > > solutions..etc what PHP can provide !!
> > > > u dont even know J2EE !
> > > > just keep working on the small projects abu 100,000 $
> > > > and let us Handling the millions :D:D
>
> > > > On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, "Al-Faisal El-Dajani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey Guys,
>
> > > > > I just had a _very_ heated debate with a friend of mine about the
> > merits
> > > > of
> > > > > using Java, and just wanted your input on the matter. I was a Java
> > fan
> > > > up
> > > > > until I left university and met the real world, and there, the whole
> > > > > paradigm of predefined variables just crumpled on itself.
>
> > > > > I just can't stop thinking that in the 12 years that Java has
> > existed
> > > > (and
> > > > > hardware has evolved 8x, according to moore's law), Java
> > applications
> > > > have
> > > > > not gained one ounce of speed that the hardware should be giving. I
> > > > mean,
> > > > > they seem to be some kind of performance blackholes. Seriously,
> > whenever
> > > > I
> > > > > use any Java application (Azureus, OpenOffice, Eclipse), I actually
> > feel
> > > > > physical pain.
>
> > > > > And ever since I tried out PHP and Ruby, I just completely lost
> > faith in
> > > > ALL
> > > > > strongly typed languages. I mean, come on, do I really need to
> > specify
> > > > that
> > > > > this variable is a double? It's some space in memory that I use to
> > > > whatever
> > > > > ends I see fit. If you want to protect me as a developer from using
> > my
> > > > > variables in the way I want, then perhaps the language should be
> > > > developed
> > > > > using wizards and auto code generators like a certain set of other
> > > > languages
> > > > > does.
>
> > > > > The Java proponents, however, keep saying "well, it works on all
> > > > platforms".
> > > > > That is true, but I'll take online applications over Java anyday of
> > the
> > > > > week. I actually _prefer_ network latency to Java's performance, at
> > > > least
> > > > > the PC would be free to do a sophisticated thing as "Multitasking".
> > And
> > > > > sometimes I retort with this qoute <http://bash.org/?338364> which
> > > > usually
> > > > > shuts them up :).
>
> > > > > Another point that Java proponents use (or at least try to), is the
> > > > claim
> > > > > that Java is an OO language as opposed to PHP (and they seem to
> > prefer
> > > > JSP
> > > > > over PHP, go figure...). Of course I would (politely) point to them
> > that
> > > > > PHP5 is OO, and more importantly that Java is not fully OO. No
> > offense,
> > > > but
> > > > > ever after using Ruby, I don't view Java to be the pinnacle of OO
> > (as it
> > > > > shouldn't be).
>
> > > > > Now don't get me wrong, this extends to languages far beyond Java,
> > but
> > > > the
> > > > > question I have is: Am I being overly critical of Java? Is there any
> > > > merit
> > > > > to my points? or theirs? What's your input?
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Al-Faisal El-Dajani
> > > > > Phone: +962-7-79 73 70 50
> > > > > P.O Box: 140056
> > > > > 11814 Amman, Jordan
>
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