it's seams that you missed the first line of my previous email, but what the hell, Let's have some fun :P, you are making my day
about the ability, well sure I can. DP,MVC .. etc, what does a language need, we are already doing it with PHP, you might try to use google and search for PHP and design patterns, and it seams that you are so much restricted to the language you are using, be careful it seams that Java is Programming you. quoting Tyler Durden "Fight Club", the stuff you own ends up owning you. political issues, oh so you don't think it true, ok Let me ask you a simple question, why does our government use M$ windows on all of it's servers, no it's not a political issue, or why are they developing their E-Gov using .Net, oh, cause it's the best Technology out there. Just think a little bit. And speaking of E-Gov, well Java is not close to compete there, it's mostly between .Net, and ColdFusion. so let's not make an issue out of it. Man, we are not yesterday's programmers, it seams that you are so enlightened and you think that we are stupid or so, I guess you are really paid high, like a million a month or something, but I'm sure you worth more. and dude, the numbers we are working with in our company, 1 month project might buy your whole company, and yes, we get millions, don't think that if you know someone who works with PHP, you know the whole market of PHP. and it seams that either I'm so stupid to understand your questions or ... Good luck, On 11/17/07, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > its not related to Programing language, but what language can do it !! > can u do it on PHP !! > can u do Big finanical or e-gov projects with PHP ! > > <quote> > > Well, Amer, I guess you need to be a little bit enlightened about where > did > > PHP is these days. Design Patterns, MVC, ORM ... etc., these stuff are > not > > much related to the Programming language as they are for the person > doing > > programming. > </quote> > > its not related to Programing language, but what language can do it !! > > <quote> > > Also, OOP and SOA, they are 2 different things that serve 2 different > > purposes, yes SOA is there, but even when you are working with a good > SOA, > > you come across OO issues. > </quote> > > i know its different 2 things, > ya3ni enta bedak te7kili 3anha :S > but u didnt answer my question can u do it with PHP ???!! 4 sure NOOO > > <quote> > > If you are talking about about E-Gov solutions, well it's more related > to > > political issues than to what it really needs, > </quote> > > loooool, its about political issues !!!! > > and about Technology, well > > it's out there, knock yourself out, it's more about if what you need to > do > > the job, in the end, I don't care if there is a 64 Processor HPIS > server, > > with a big set of expensive software to run my software, or if it is a > > simple PII machine, running on free software, and they both end doing > the > > same Job. > > But, if we were in a position to make a decision about a certain set of > > requirements for an application, on what language would suit you better, > in > > the end client doesn't care if you wrote it in an assembly language, he > > cares about the end result, and the money he is paying. > > Xushi makes a good point, it's not right to compare these types of > > languages, but in the end everything is comparable. :P > > man u didnt answer ANY of my questions > khasheetli be el seyaseh o mesh 3aref shu > what PHP can do in enterprise solutions !! its NOTHING > and shu aktar project ur company make ?? 50,000$ ??? > its not even a language ! > > > > > > On 11/17/07, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looooooool > > > man u really know NOTHING about Java, all u keep saying, Variables > > > mesh 3aref shu... come on !! that what you know about Java > > > if you wana make a debate about Java at LEAST read a little bit more > > > than what u took in UNI. > > > what do u know u PHP ppl about Designs and Design Patterns !! > > > what do u know about pooling, threading, ORM, MVC... anything!! > > > do u have gr8 Application Servers like IBM OR BEA !! > > > do u have gr8 Portals like IBM one > > > do u have gr8 Processing Servers !! > > > all u know about Java is JSP and J2SE, and u dont even know it well!! > > > what about EJB, WebServices with Java, RMI... bla bla bla > > > and one more thing !! now u talking about OO, these days nobody is > > > talking about OO and its Designs > > > now the Service Oriented Architecture is the current thing we talk > > > about, so keep on track > > > did u see E-GOV on PHP, or SME solution on PHP ???!!! NO, why ?, cuz > > > its not even a language > > > maybe its good for web applications that do nothing but saving on DB > > > and retrieve from DB, but if u wanna make a BIG business with > > > security, Reliability, extendability...etc for a Bank, E-GOV, SME > > > solutions..etc what PHP can provide !! > > > u dont even know J2EE ! > > > just keep working on the small projects abu 100,000 $ > > > and let us Handling the millions :D:D > > > > > On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, "Al-Faisal El-Dajani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > I just had a _very_ heated debate with a friend of mine about the > merits > > > of > > > > using Java, and just wanted your input on the matter. I was a Java > fan > > > up > > > > until I left university and met the real world, and there, the whole > > > > paradigm of predefined variables just crumpled on itself. > > > > > > I just can't stop thinking that in the 12 years that Java has > existed > > > (and > > > > hardware has evolved 8x, according to moore's law), Java > applications > > > have > > > > not gained one ounce of speed that the hardware should be giving. I > > > mean, > > > > they seem to be some kind of performance blackholes. Seriously, > whenever > > > I > > > > use any Java application (Azureus, OpenOffice, Eclipse), I actually > feel > > > > physical pain. > > > > > > And ever since I tried out PHP and Ruby, I just completely lost > faith in > > > ALL > > > > strongly typed languages. I mean, come on, do I really need to > specify > > > that > > > > this variable is a double? It's some space in memory that I use to > > > whatever > > > > ends I see fit. If you want to protect me as a developer from using > my > > > > variables in the way I want, then perhaps the language should be > > > developed > > > > using wizards and auto code generators like a certain set of other > > > languages > > > > does. > > > > > > The Java proponents, however, keep saying "well, it works on all > > > platforms". > > > > That is true, but I'll take online applications over Java anyday of > the > > > > week. I actually _prefer_ network latency to Java's performance, at > > > least > > > > the PC would be free to do a sophisticated thing as "Multitasking". > And > > > > sometimes I retort with this qoute <http://bash.org/?338364> which > > > usually > > > > shuts them up :). > > > > > > Another point that Java proponents use (or at least try to), is the > > > claim > > > > that Java is an OO language as opposed to PHP (and they seem to > prefer > > > JSP > > > > over PHP, go figure...). Of course I would (politely) point to them > that > > > > PHP5 is OO, and more importantly that Java is not fully OO. No > offense, > > > but > > > > ever after using Ruby, I don't view Java to be the pinnacle of OO > (as it > > > > shouldn't be). > > > > > > Now don't get me wrong, this extends to languages far beyond Java, > but > > > the > > > > question I have is: Am I being overly critical of Java? Is there any > > > merit > > > > to my points? or theirs? What's your input? > > > > > > -- > > > > Al-Faisal El-Dajani > > > > Phone: +962-7-79 73 70 50 > > > > P.O Box: 140056 > > > > 11814 Amman, Jordan > > > > -- > > Ala'a A. Ibrahimhttp://guru.alaa- > ibrahim.com/- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Ala'a A. Ibrahim http://guru.alaa-ibrahim.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jolug" group. 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