:), Let's try to be a little bit objective here, I guess we are a little bit more mature than to start a Programming Languages War, Well, Amer, I guess you need to be a little bit enlightened about where did PHP is these days. Design Patterns, MVC, ORM ... etc., these stuff are not much related to the Programming language as they are for the person doing programming. Most of us work in a very great use of Design Patterns and stuff, but if you got to the Definition of Design Patterns, it's there to help you solve a certain template of a problem, not a thing you need to implement, if you get what I mean. Also, OOP and SOA, they are 2 different things that serve 2 different purposes, yes SOA is there, but even when you are working with a good SOA, you come across OO issues. and, don't worry, we do million $ Projects too :P. If you are talking about about E-Gov solutions, well it's more related to political issues than to what it really needs, and about Technology, well it's out there, knock yourself out, it's more about if what you need to do the job, in the end, I don't care if there is a 64 Processor HPIS server, with a big set of expensive software to run my software, or if it is a simple PII machine, running on free software, and they both end doing the same Job. But, if we were in a position to make a decision about a certain set of requirements for an application, on what language would suit you better, in the end client doesn't care if you wrote it in an assembly language, he cares about the end result, and the money he is paying. Xushi makes a good point, it's not right to compare these types of languages, but in the end everything is comparable. :P
On 11/17/07, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > looooooool > man u really know NOTHING about Java, all u keep saying, Variables > mesh 3aref shu... come on !! that what you know about Java > if you wana make a debate about Java at LEAST read a little bit more > than what u took in UNI. > what do u know u PHP ppl about Designs and Design Patterns !! > what do u know about pooling, threading, ORM, MVC... anything!! > do u have gr8 Application Servers like IBM OR BEA !! > do u have gr8 Portals like IBM one > do u have gr8 Processing Servers !! > all u know about Java is JSP and J2SE, and u dont even know it well!! > what about EJB, WebServices with Java, RMI... bla bla bla > and one more thing !! now u talking about OO, these days nobody is > talking about OO and its Designs > now the Service Oriented Architecture is the current thing we talk > about, so keep on track > did u see E-GOV on PHP, or SME solution on PHP ???!!! NO, why ?, cuz > its not even a language > maybe its good for web applications that do nothing but saving on DB > and retrieve from DB, but if u wanna make a BIG business with > security, Reliability, extendability...etc for a Bank, E-GOV, SME > solutions..etc what PHP can provide !! > u dont even know J2EE ! > just keep working on the small projects abu 100,000 $ > and let us Handling the millions :D:D > > > > On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, "Al-Faisal El-Dajani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > > > I just had a _very_ heated debate with a friend of mine about the merits > of > > using Java, and just wanted your input on the matter. I was a Java fan > up > > until I left university and met the real world, and there, the whole > > paradigm of predefined variables just crumpled on itself. > > > > I just can't stop thinking that in the 12 years that Java has existed > (and > > hardware has evolved 8x, according to moore's law), Java applications > have > > not gained one ounce of speed that the hardware should be giving. I > mean, > > they seem to be some kind of performance blackholes. Seriously, whenever > I > > use any Java application (Azureus, OpenOffice, Eclipse), I actually feel > > physical pain. > > > > And ever since I tried out PHP and Ruby, I just completely lost faith in > ALL > > strongly typed languages. I mean, come on, do I really need to specify > that > > this variable is a double? It's some space in memory that I use to > whatever > > ends I see fit. If you want to protect me as a developer from using my > > variables in the way I want, then perhaps the language should be > developed > > using wizards and auto code generators like a certain set of other > languages > > does. > > > > The Java proponents, however, keep saying "well, it works on all > platforms". > > That is true, but I'll take online applications over Java anyday of the > > week. I actually _prefer_ network latency to Java's performance, at > least > > the PC would be free to do a sophisticated thing as "Multitasking". And > > sometimes I retort with this qoute <http://bash.org/?338364> which > usually > > shuts them up :). > > > > Another point that Java proponents use (or at least try to), is the > claim > > that Java is an OO language as opposed to PHP (and they seem to prefer > JSP > > over PHP, go figure...). Of course I would (politely) point to them that > > PHP5 is OO, and more importantly that Java is not fully OO. No offense, > but > > ever after using Ruby, I don't view Java to be the pinnacle of OO (as it > > shouldn't be). > > > > Now don't get me wrong, this extends to languages far beyond Java, but > the > > question I have is: Am I being overly critical of Java? Is there any > merit > > to my points? or theirs? What's your input? > > > > -- > > Al-Faisal El-Dajani > > Phone: +962-7-79 73 70 50 > > P.O Box: 140056 > > 11814 Amman, Jordan > > > -- Ala'a A. Ibrahim http://guru.alaa-ibrahim.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jolug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Jolug?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
