its not related to Programing language, but what language can do it !! can u do it on PHP !! can u do Big finanical or e-gov projects with PHP !
<quote> > Well, Amer, I guess you need to be a little bit enlightened about where did > PHP is these days. Design Patterns, MVC, ORM ... etc., these stuff are not > much related to the Programming language as they are for the person doing > programming. </quote> its not related to Programing language, but what language can do it !! <quote> > Also, OOP and SOA, they are 2 different things that serve 2 different > purposes, yes SOA is there, but even when you are working with a good SOA, > you come across OO issues. </quote> i know its different 2 things, ya3ni enta bedak te7kili 3anha :S but u didnt answer my question can u do it with PHP ???!! 4 sure NOOO <quote> > If you are talking about about E-Gov solutions, well it's more related to > political issues than to what it really needs, </quote> loooool, its about political issues !!!! and about Technology, well > it's out there, knock yourself out, it's more about if what you need to do > the job, in the end, I don't care if there is a 64 Processor HPIS server, > with a big set of expensive software to run my software, or if it is a > simple PII machine, running on free software, and they both end doing the > same Job. > But, if we were in a position to make a decision about a certain set of > requirements for an application, on what language would suit you better, in > the end client doesn't care if you wrote it in an assembly language, he > cares about the end result, and the money he is paying. > Xushi makes a good point, it's not right to compare these types of > languages, but in the end everything is comparable. :P man u didnt answer ANY of my questions khasheetli be el seyaseh o mesh 3aref shu what PHP can do in enterprise solutions !! its NOTHING and shu aktar project ur company make ?? 50,000$ ??? its not even a language ! > > On 11/17/07, Amer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > looooooool > > man u really know NOTHING about Java, all u keep saying, Variables > > mesh 3aref shu... come on !! that what you know about Java > > if you wana make a debate about Java at LEAST read a little bit more > > than what u took in UNI. > > what do u know u PHP ppl about Designs and Design Patterns !! > > what do u know about pooling, threading, ORM, MVC... anything!! > > do u have gr8 Application Servers like IBM OR BEA !! > > do u have gr8 Portals like IBM one > > do u have gr8 Processing Servers !! > > all u know about Java is JSP and J2SE, and u dont even know it well!! > > what about EJB, WebServices with Java, RMI... bla bla bla > > and one more thing !! now u talking about OO, these days nobody is > > talking about OO and its Designs > > now the Service Oriented Architecture is the current thing we talk > > about, so keep on track > > did u see E-GOV on PHP, or SME solution on PHP ???!!! NO, why ?, cuz > > its not even a language > > maybe its good for web applications that do nothing but saving on DB > > and retrieve from DB, but if u wanna make a BIG business with > > security, Reliability, extendability...etc for a Bank, E-GOV, SME > > solutions..etc what PHP can provide !! > > u dont even know J2EE ! > > just keep working on the small projects abu 100,000 $ > > and let us Handling the millions :D:D > > > On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, "Al-Faisal El-Dajani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Hey Guys, > > > > I just had a _very_ heated debate with a friend of mine about the merits > > of > > > using Java, and just wanted your input on the matter. I was a Java fan > > up > > > until I left university and met the real world, and there, the whole > > > paradigm of predefined variables just crumpled on itself. > > > > I just can't stop thinking that in the 12 years that Java has existed > > (and > > > hardware has evolved 8x, according to moore's law), Java applications > > have > > > not gained one ounce of speed that the hardware should be giving. I > > mean, > > > they seem to be some kind of performance blackholes. Seriously, whenever > > I > > > use any Java application (Azureus, OpenOffice, Eclipse), I actually feel > > > physical pain. > > > > And ever since I tried out PHP and Ruby, I just completely lost faith in > > ALL > > > strongly typed languages. I mean, come on, do I really need to specify > > that > > > this variable is a double? It's some space in memory that I use to > > whatever > > > ends I see fit. If you want to protect me as a developer from using my > > > variables in the way I want, then perhaps the language should be > > developed > > > using wizards and auto code generators like a certain set of other > > languages > > > does. > > > > The Java proponents, however, keep saying "well, it works on all > > platforms". > > > That is true, but I'll take online applications over Java anyday of the > > > week. I actually _prefer_ network latency to Java's performance, at > > least > > > the PC would be free to do a sophisticated thing as "Multitasking". And > > > sometimes I retort with this qoute <http://bash.org/?338364> which > > usually > > > shuts them up :). > > > > Another point that Java proponents use (or at least try to), is the > > claim > > > that Java is an OO language as opposed to PHP (and they seem to prefer > > JSP > > > over PHP, go figure...). Of course I would (politely) point to them that > > > PHP5 is OO, and more importantly that Java is not fully OO. No offense, > > but > > > ever after using Ruby, I don't view Java to be the pinnacle of OO (as it > > > shouldn't be). > > > > Now don't get me wrong, this extends to languages far beyond Java, but > > the > > > question I have is: Am I being overly critical of Java? Is there any > > merit > > > to my points? or theirs? What's your input? > > > > -- > > > Al-Faisal El-Dajani > > > Phone: +962-7-79 73 70 50 > > > P.O Box: 140056 > > > 11814 Amman, Jordan > > -- > Ala'a A. > Ibrahimhttp://guru.alaa-ibrahim.com/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jolug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Jolug?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
