i am not inclined to get into discussions that concern themselves with 
religion or politics.  but, i have been following these threads on this list 
since the 11th, and, sadly, i feel like i can't shaddup any longer.  so tune 
me out if you wish.  because  here's what i think.  

let me start by saying that it's a dangerous and alarming state of affairs in 
this country when dissent becomes seen as unpatriotic.  dissent, and the 
right to one's opinion is as american as the constitution, where it is 
guaranteed, written in the blood of thousands of men and women who died to 
make it so.  i'm hearing voices from every corner, including some on this 
list, urging us to war.  people are grinding their teeth at the prospect of 
bin laden's head on a platter and daring to challenge the patriotism of those 
who might argue a different course.  perhaps they have information i don't 
have, but before i am going to endorse the slaughter of more lives in 
exchange for the lives we lost in these heinous acts, i want to see some 
evidence.  

it was my understanding that mr. bush was going to lay out this nation's case 
against bin laden.  was i distracted and missed it?  the taliban maintains 
they want proof of his guilt before they'll turn him over?  so, show it to 
them.  show it to us all!  

i agree with vince, completely.  if chile was demanding henry kissinger's 
immediate arraignment for his crimminal participation in a coup to bring down 
their legally elected president, would we hand him over to them without 
proof?  of course we wouldn't!  (personally, i doubt very much if we would 
hand him over if they produced video of him directing the coup from the oval 
office.)  i don't think we'd turn over a prisoner from death row just because 
someone told us they wanted him.  so why should we expect any different from 
the taliban?  its just more american arrogance, one of the MANY reasons they 
have to hate us with such passion.  george w. bush and the shadows who tell 
him what to say and when to say it, are counting on the enflamed and wounded 
american people to overlook this glaring omission and fall into lockstep 
behind them as they move once and for all to get these rouges out of our way. 
 

we are told that these terrorists hate us for our way of life?  they hate us 
for our freedom?  oh shaddup.  they have a few more reasons than that!  

these "radicals", with the tunnel vision of most radicals, see us as immoral, 
with our porno shops on the corners of every city, our r and x-rated movies, 
(shall i bore you with example after example after example?)  they see us as 
utterly corrupted by our materialism, our wanton pursuit of pleasure, and our 
rape of the resources of this planet to maintain that corrupt and immoral way 
of life.  they see us as having gained our tremendous wealth on the backs of 
the rest of the world.  AND, perhaps most significantly, they see us as an 
enormous threat to THEIR way of life because of the seductive qualities of 
our wealth and our possessions - a threat that is now infiltrating and 
corrupting THEIR world.  they see their own leaders riding around in bentleys 
and mercedes, living in palaces made of gold, sporting 16 carat diamonds on 
their chubby little pinkies...living in splendor with unimaginable riches, 
gained from selling what these radicals see as their ONLY asset, to satisfy 
the insatiable appetite of the west, while the vast majority of their people 
live in unspeakable poverty.  they hate us for our support of the state of 
israel.  and some of them hate us because they've been poisoned and corrupted 
by religion, just like jerry falwell and pat robertson and the rest of those 
monsters who parade around believing they have a pipeline to the ear of some 
fictitious god.  

if bin laden did this, and the taliban support and provide him sanctuary, 
then fine, go "gittem" as mr. bush so eloquently put it.  but before i join 
the flag waving, jingo spouting, bloodthirsty masses, some of whom are 
showing up on this very list, i want to see some evidence.  

the death and destruction in new york and washington and the fields of 
pennsylvania was an act of unspeakable evil, to which a response must be 
made.  no question.  but IF it was bin laden, and what we hear about him is 
true, starting a war is precisely what he wants to happen.  he wants a jihad 
(a "holy" war...now there's an oxymoron if there ever was one) between the 
corrupt western powers, primarily the u.s., and islam.  and we seem to have 
an administration who are just too happy to give it to him.  this frightens 
me, because then, i think, the cycle will just repeat itself.  perhaps next 
time in the playground of an elementary school in iowa, or some quiet 
suburban street in anytown usa.  

think people.  this is not a time to lick our lips for sweet revenge.  this 
is a time to be smart.  this is a time for great care and intelligence.  
maybe you feel comfortable with that inarticulate, c student, ostensibly 
behind the wheel, but i most certainly do not.

that's what i think.  i'm not calling for pacifism.  i'm not suggesting we 
turn the other cheek.  i'm saying i want proof.  and until i see it, i am not 
going to sit from my cozy apartment with a view, sipping my martini and 
calling for others to go out to die and kill people every bit as innocent as 
the ones who have died already, so i can feel vindicated and avenged.  when i 
see that proof, then we can talk.


peace, ric

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