Pre and Post? All I wanted to know was:
1. How do you tell in Sonar 8.5 what frequency level an audio clip was at,
or do you really need to use the ears to tell?
2. After Q1 was answered, I wanted to know if you should add fx first, or
clean up all the dry signals first?
Neither one of them were intended to create a fight at all. If Chris wants
to withold any or all of his info to create money for himself, that's his
business I guess. I don't think I would be interested in paying him, just
probing for a few answers here and there.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Drew
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:07 PM
To: [email protected]; JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is
in.
This is all very fascinating, but I think the real important question
here is:
what's the difference between pre and post?
On 7/11/2010 11:15 AM, Phil Muir wrote:
> Chris wrote: Ok, now that I've had a belly full of the crap, let's
> just put things in perspective and lay them out on the table.
>
> Phil replied: before you do I unreservedly apologise if I have said
> anything that upset you. I especially would like to apologise for
> saying, "Chris, me thinks you may wish to take a little more time out
> to study Sonar's architecture before posting inaccurate stuff like
> this, especially if you're teaching students." I was flat out wrong
> to post that so, sorry.
>
> However, I stand by my comment about being able to access all 6 bands
> of the track/bus EQ in the track inspector which, I don't feel you
> explained thoroughly.
>
> Chris wrote: The real deal is that you just can't stand anyone having
> a different idea about how to do things than you, I've seen it
> displayed even with very gentle knowledgeable people, who never go toe
> to toe with anyone, isn't mentioning any names, but I will say he's a
> cubass user and uses another screen-reader than the all glorious holy
> jaws 'grin'.
>
> Phil replied: not about to get into talking about others who are not
> on list and are therefore, not part of this discussion and not in the
> position of answering for themselves as that's not fair. I won't put
> words in other peoples mouths if they aren't here to agree/disagree.
> However, I will state that you and I did come to full agreement on a
> separate issue with regard to components not being fully revealed by a
> PC vender who builds PC's that came up on another list so, in spite of
> what has been posted here, Chris and I do agree on things quite a lot.
> Further more, Chris is using a PC built by another vender that I
> recommended to Chris, a guy called Jim Roseberry over
> at:
>
> http://www.studiocat.com/
>
> Chris wrote: You love to discredit me because you just can't stand it
> that I charge half or less than you do, and give better value, and
> I've stolen some of your students.
>
> Phil replied: better value is always a debatable point. If we weren't
> doing something right then, clients wouldn't keep on coming back.
> Sure, competition is a very good thing indeed.
>
> Chris wrote: Competition buddy, I even put out friendly feelers to
> work with you even giving you my first version of session drummer 3
> but all I got from you was, oh, it's junk, I can do a better job of
> it.
>
> Phil replied: at no stage in the conversation with you Did I ever
> state that. What Chris wanted to do was offer that set to the freely
> available HSC sets and that would be as Chris stated his "contribution
> to the cause."
>
> Chris wrote: Well, mister know it all, that prompted me to make it
> better and put it out myself, but thanks to people like Roy, and Tom
> Kingston, and folks who aren't threatened by a little competition, and
> who can work with others doing the same thing they are sometimes it
> turned out just fine. I was even going to split profits with you, but
> no, you couldn't be bothered.
>
> Phil replied: this wasn't a conversation that I ever had with you so,
> I think it's easy to state inaccuracies after the fact.
>
> Chris wrote: Despite the brush-off, you still get free rain to
> advertise, and share special stuff on my private list, and to your
> credit, at least there, you don't act like such an know it all,
> probably because you know the biggest brains are watching, I'm
> privileged to have some such on the list.
>
> But you need to quit it, whether you like it or not, there are other
> ways of doing things, even with sonar, and some of them may work
> better for some people than your sanctioned way, for instances,
> trashing the idea, yes you did, of using more than one bus to get
> extra eq, well, if we weren't supposed to use eq in this manner, why
> is it there?
>
> yes, you can turn on automation and record your moves, but why not do
> precision snapshots, and why not put strategic eq in specific places
> where it is needed, maybe behind a d s bus to help the d s processing.
>
> And the ability to move it anywhere in the chain. Bet you never
> thought of that, you just told me it was a wrong thing to do.
>
> Phil replied: can't remember stating anything like that.
>
> Chris wrote: Well, tell it to cakewalk sonar, they invented it, and
> it's even mentioned in the help that the inspector pane is a useful
> thing, even sighted people do things this way buddy.
>
> Phil replied: yes, we all know that.
>
> Chris wrote: so you loose 2 bands of eq, but you don't really because
> you can always open up the plug-in, or use another bus, how ever suits
> you best.
>
> Phil replied: and that's my point. At no point did you state that you
> can still access all 6 bands of the track/bus EQ in the track
> inspector. If you had then, I wouldn't have posted anything on this
> as there would have been no point.
>
> Chris wrote: So talk about miss-leading people, my way of doing things
> is accessible to all screen readers too, and hnot just your precious
> hsc files, which don't work some of the time anyway, and yes, they
> have errors in them too.
>
> Phil replied: all software has bugs /errors. There will be a massive
> update for all free HSC sets coming out very shortly indeed which,
> should hopefully address any current issues. Those particular sets
> shall remain free. Talking of which, Chris, got anything HSC or
> otherwise that you would "like to contribute to the cause?"
>
> Chris wrote: So just admit, you can't stand any competition, and you
> have it easy, because your little sighted wife shows you everything
> going on on the screen,
>
> Phil replied: I am not about to make any disparaging comments about
> anyone's family members as that's way below the belt. I will say this
> though, any sighted help that I do have is extremely limited and I too
> have to spend a lot of time, coaming the screen for buttons etc as you
> do.
>
> Chris wrote: I don't begrudge you that, but I bet you couldn't get as
> far without your built in eyes as some of us have by ourselves.
>
> Phil replied: wild speculation on you're part. The fact is that we
> would all get a lot further with all of this stuff with sighted help.
>
> Chris wrote: Not that that's a big deal, but it's worth mentioning
> when you feel it necessary to pull others down to make yourself look
> better.
>
> Phil replied: well it's obviously a big deal to you. Wasn't me who
> mentioned it.
>
> Chris wrote: I think that's even been said to you on list by someone,
> even recently, it might have been by the same friendly humble
> non-offensive cubass user
>
> I have never but lifted you up and even encouraged people to use you
> for tutoring when I couldn't do it,k or even if i thought you might be
> better at something, for instance, with hsc, you are undisputedly the
> king.
>
> But you are so insecure, you have to slam me publically, and can not
> pay equal respect.
>
> Phil replied: as you well know, I have posted publicaly before about
> how much respect I have for you.
>
> Chris wrote: Well, not supprisingly when the going got tough you
> couldn't even stand up for your own faith, choosing to be politically
> correct instead of just correct.
>
> Most on here won't know what I'm talking about, but you sure will
> Philly boy.
>
> Phil replied: I am not about to defend my faith here as 1, it's not
> the place and 2, people who really know me, know exactly where I stand
> on that so, no need to defend anything.
>
> Chris wrote: So whether I get kicked off her for calling you out or
> now, I'm not putting up with it anymore,\ if you think I'm not right,
> and really not right, yes, i can accept correction, and I'll be the
> first to say, hey, my bad, I said something wrong.
>
> Phil replied: as I stated before, you didn't cover the fact that you
> can access all 6 bannds in the track/bus EQ from within the track
> inspector.
>
> Chris wrote: But this was just plane lame, and just flinging a pile of
> crap there was nothing technically wrong in what I stated.
>
> Because setting your options to open a plug-in and or manually
> insertintg it amounts to just about the same thing, in the inspector
> pane you get 4 and in the plug-in you get 6, and that was my point.
>
> Phil replied: again you miss stated the facts. You can access all 6
> bands of the track/bus EQ in the track inspector which you did not
> state. Plus, you can switch the Track/Bus EQ from pree to post in the
> track inspector which, could be another good reason for using that
> over inserting a separate EQ such as the Sonitus EQ.
>
> Chris wrote: So in an edited version of my little brother Damon's
> famous nhb radio salutation, f you, f you, and f you again.
>
> Phil replied: That was edited? Seriously though, it's possible to bhe
> eliquent without having to stoop to using the F word. May you have a
> blessed day.
>
> Chris wrote: Thank you for the in put of your giant brain.
>
> Phil replied: It's the same size as everyone elses brain.
>
> Chris wrote; No body knows as much as the great mighty Muure.
>
> Phil replied: why thank you! Seriously though, I sure don't know
> everything. Every day's a school day and if I don't know something
> then, I will be up front and say that.
>
>
> Regards, Phil Muir
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