Jason Hunter wrote:
> > Anyway, what is so special about WebMacro in particular? Why not use
> > Cocoon, Turbine, Freemarker, OTembo or even ECS? They all offer
> > similar features and I daresay, some of them are probably better
> > supported than WebMacro.
>
> Exactly! There are choices. Examine your options. Don't believe that
> JSP is the only alternative. The programmers who developed the above
> tools probably would have used JSP had it suited their task, but it
> didn't so they wrote their own. Maybe their tool suits your task better
> than JSP too.
I still don't get it. Any real developer is going to know there are
options anyway, because they should be following the trade rags,
the web logs, and the free code sites.
It seems like you think JSP somehow OWNS the market. If anything,
it is JSP that needs evangelizing. Hardly anyone outside
these mailing lists even knows what JSP is, compared to ASP,
Cold Fusion, and PHP. That's why this seems silly. You are
attacking a straw man. Sun is in the minority. Java based
sites are in the minority. Servlets even less. JSP? Virtually
non-existant. Stop acting like JSP has "WON" and is an evil
Microsoftian monopoly.
Many developers are going to develop their own tools too, no matter
what. This is standard practice in the C/C++ world as everyone
reinvents linked-lists, dynamic arrays, AVL trees, etc and then prefer
to use their own frameworks. Most people do it for the learning
experience. Template systems are trivial to write and are a weekend project
for anyone with basic parser experience.
What I don't get is this need to *push* WebMacro. I don't see the
Apache Cocoon people all over these mailing lists trying to hype
Cocoon. Also, what I don't see from your side is the recognition
of the huge value that a standard can bring. No matter how much
you like WebMacro, or your own custom coded system, it is far more
valuable to have a workable public standard that most people can be
familar with.
Sure, it's trivial to learn WebMacro. It's also trivial to learn
IBM's DataDirector and Net.Commerce, which I had to do for
an e-commerce project, along with a team of other people. But
learning the syntax, and developing an expertise in the intracasies
of each tool is a different story. Learning the "tricks" neccessary
to make best use of each tool leads to needless prototyping and
refactoring, which ends up wasting time.
Do you think SQL is the best possible query language? JSP works,
and JSP with taglibs works well enough, that for the vast majority
of people, it will probably be the choice. If you have specialized
needs, you can always use your own architecture. I have specialized
needs that can't be fulfilled by Enterprise Java Beans, for example.
What matters to me is that I can hire people, and depend on us all
having enough similar experience that we can communicate and act
cohesively. I do not want to spend extensive amounts of time on
worker training. I am a poorly funded startup that has very small
time and money budgets.
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