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This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> >
> > America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> > Widespread but only partial news coverage was
> > given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast
> > from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian
> > television commentator. What follows is the full text of his
> > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for
> > the Americans as the most generous and possibly
> > the least appreciated people on all the earth.
> >
> > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain
> > and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by
> > the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
> > forgave other billions in debts. None of these
> > countries is today paying even the interest on
> > its remaining debts to the United States.
> >
> > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,
> > it was the Americans who propped it up, and
> > their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
> > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
> > United States that hurries in to help. This spring,
> > 59 American communities were flattened by
> > tornadoes. Nobody helped.
> >
> > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
> > billions of dollars into discouraged countries.
> > Now newspapers in those countries are writing
> > about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >
> > I'd like to see just one of those countries that
> > is gloating over the erosion of the United States
> > dollar build its own airplane. Does any other
> > country in the world have a plane to equal the
> > Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or
> > the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
> > them? Why do all the International lines except
> > Russia fly American Planes?
> >
> > Why does no other land on earth even consider
> > putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk
> > about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
> > You talk about German technocracy, and you get
> > automobiles. You talk about American
> > technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but
> > several times - and safely home again.
> >
> > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put
> > theirs right in the store window for everybody to
> > look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and
> > hounded. They are here on our streets, and most
> > of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
> > getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend
> > here.
> >
> > When the railways of France, Germany and India
> > were breaking down through age, it was the Americans
> > who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
> > the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them
> > an old caboose. Both are still broke.
> >
> > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans
> > raced to the help of other people in trouble.
> > Can you name me even one time when someone else
> > raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
> > outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
> >
> > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
> > Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them
> > get kicked around. They will come out of this
> > thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are
> > entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are
> > gloating over their present troubles. I hope
> > Canada is not one of those."
> > "Stand proud, America!"
> > "This is one of the best editorials that I have
> > ever read regarding the United States. It is nice
> > that one man realizes it. I only wish that the
> > rest of the world would realize it. We are always
> > blamed for everything, and never even get a thank
> > you for the things we do.
> > I would hope that each of you would send this to
> > as many people as you can and emphasize that they
> > should send it to as many of their friends until this
> > letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a
> > single American that has read this."
> >
> > - Bill Gelberg
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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> "Nothing is fair in love and War".
> For the Terrorists the war was always going on. The war has begun for
> america "now".
>
> Sreekanth
>
>
> Instead of having all this dicussion. Leave it to the Leaders to make the
> decisions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> I have to ammend one thing most people seem to ignore. As you (Karl)
pointed
> out, a war is one when one side says "Enough losses". Terrorists, although
> their cause is radically different, probably think that if they bomb
enough
> US targets and enough of us are killed, we would give up. I don't know if
> they have asked us to surrender, or if they just do it for the love of
> seeing their limbs turn to a cloud of blood dust as the last thing they
see,
> but in retrospect, if they "still" have cells here ready to attack, its
> conceivable that many more Americans will die before this thing is over. I
> surely hope they don't have any mass-destruction weapons here, but imagine
> if they had bilogical weapons or even worse, any type of small nuclear
bomb,
> planted in heavily populated areas what would happen. I still ponder that
> thought. Supposedly over 50 cells are still "in hiding" in the US (number
> can't be confirmed). If we attack them, even take out their leaders, do
you
> think knowing full well they have nothing to go back to AND that most
likely
> we will find them eventually here as well, that they are going to just
stay
> and hide? I seriously doubt it. It is a very scary time STILL for the US.
I
> don't think we are out of the clear as far as seeing more Americans die. I
> surely hope not, but I still think there is a lot we don't know (the
public)
> about the various terrorists that are still here and ready to do damage.
> Remember, these people have no care about killing themselves to kill
others.
> It is a VERY quick thing for them to strap on some C4 or other explosives
or
> weapons and within minutes walk into a populated area and detonate their
> weapon. And most likely there is very little we can do other than
hopefully
> try to find them before they can do this!
>
> But I can say one thing..I don't think, especially after what happened,
that
> even if millions more die in the US we will stop! They have done one very
> bad thing..they united the US in a way I don't think any of us have every
> seen. But far worse, they have united a good portion of the world with us,
> which is surely going to be thier destruction!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Karl Doane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:47 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > I know we should not contiue this but as a Proud AMERICAN, I
> > feel that I
> > need to respond. I have to disagree with these people who
> > think we should
> > apologize for dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Japan.
> >
> > Read your real History, not what the liberal bleeding heart
> > media tells you.
> > 1. THEY STARTED THE WAR with a cowardly sneak attack on Pearl
> > Harbor.
> > 2. They tortured and executed our captured soldiers.
> > 3. They tried to exterminate the Chinese and all the
> > rest of Asia.
> > 4. They fought till the death and remember the
> > kamakazie planes,
> > they would not go quietly.
> > 5. We would have lost probably a few hundred
> > thousand soldiers by
> > attacking their Homeland.
> > 6. We would have had to kill just about every single Japanese
> > person to take over Japan. I do believe that is
> > more then
> > our A Bombs killed.
> > 7. You win a war through Attrition, you have to kill
> > so many of
> > them that they say 'enough'
> > 8 We could have dropped the A bomb on Tokyo, that would have
> > killed a few more people.
> > 9. I don't they have ever apologized for their acts.
> > 10. Don't start something you can't finish, if they
> > didn't want to
> > suffer the consequences, they should have
> > stayed on their
> > side of the Pacific.
> > 11. I do believe that we gave them quite a bit of help
> > rebuilding
> > their country along with Germany.
> >
> > As far as the terrorist a.k.a. slimy, cowardly low lifes,
> > that once again
> > sneak attacked us again. Why didn't they stand up like real
> > men and fight
> > us head on. No they have to attack a buch of innocent civilians, like
> > babies and women. I guess they are too chicken to fight our
> > military head
> > on. Why, they are afraid of having a fair fight, that is why.
> >
> > I feel bad for the 99+% of the Islamic people who are good,
> > hard working
> > honest and righteous people. They have to live with the fact
> > that people
> > who come from their countries did what they did. They
> > shouldn't be ashamed
> > because I know that this is not what they are like. We as
> > good AMERICANs
> > should treat these people with every right of freedom that we enjoy.
> >
> > People have said that we got what we deserved. Well, the
> > next time somebody
> > like Iraq comes steamrolling over your countries, don't come
> > looking for
> > help. We bailed you out the last time otherwise I think Iraq
> > would now own
> > the whole Middle East. You asked us to come over there, we
> > did, and saved
> > your butt and this is what we get in return. You will get
> > what you deserve
> > next time.
> >
> > You can dance and gloat all you want but just like Japan
> > found out a few
> > years back, DON'T MESS WITH US. You can have you Holy War
> > and all that
> > stuff but remember you only won the first battle. We will
> > win the war and
> > we will DESTROY you. We are the BEST and STRONGEST country
> > in the world
> > (They don't call us a Super Power for nothing) and we will
> > not stop until we
> > completely remove them from this great planet.
> >
> > If our country was so terrible and evil, then why do Hundred
> > of Thousands of
> > people want to come to our country and become citizens?????
> > You are just a
> > bunch of jealous people, who can't stand that we have
> > progressed so far in
> > such a short time (200+ years). In those short amount of
> > years we went from
> > 13 colonies under the thumb of Great Britian, to the MOST
> > POWERFUL NATION IN
> > THE WORLD. We are also the most ADVANCED and enjoy the most
> > FREEDOM of any
> > country in the world. Where are you?? The last time I
> > heard, Afghanistan,
> > is moving back to the caveman age.
> >
> > That's good, because if they don't hand over the loser, we
> > will help them go
> > back there, except a little faster.
> >
> > That is enough of this rant, but the next time any country
> > that hates and
> > despises us, has a natural disaster, don't come looking to us
> > for help. Try
> > to survive on your own for once.
> >
> > Some of you will say that I am just a crazed person, but this
> > is called
> > being an American. You attack one of us, I consider it an
> > attack on all of
> > us. I realize that all the people who gave the ulimate
> > sacrifce before me,
> > did so that I can live in this country. I love my freedom
> > and will NEVER
> > EVER apologize for what we did in defense of our country. If
> > you don't like
> > how we handle situations, don't ask us for our help.
> >
> > When was the last time we went somewhere uninvited??
> > Middle East - We were invited.
> > Kosovo - Invited and did 75%+ of the fighting.
> > Vietnam - Invited.
> > Korea - Invited.
> > Haiti - Invited.
> > WWII - Japan attacked, We FINISHED it
> >
> > I am sure that you have heard the saying 'Hell has no fury
> > like a Woman's
> > scorn' Well guess what, LADY LIBERTY is ticked off and she
> > is going to open
> > a can of whipa** on those low lifes. May God have mercy on
> > their souls.
> >
> > AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE!!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > First, I see no reason why some oppose this discussion in
> > this list, mostly
> > because I think a number of us in this list are almost like
> > family. I have
> > been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have seen a lot more too.
> > Second, I have to say in defense to not posting this
> > discussion on this
> > list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this is the ONLY
> > list actually
> > talking about this, so most likely it is not appropriate. But
> > this list
> > covers people around the world more so than any other list I
> > am on. I do
> > however feel it is good to talk about this, and therefore, I
> > am replying
> > another thought I had the other day.
> >
> > I work in a small dot.com company and with me are a few
> > co-workers from
> > India. I am white, but I consider these co workers my
> > brothers (and sister)
> > as I respect them very much. In the past couple of days they
> > have taught me
> > some information about what has happened in India, and other
> > parts of the
> > world. The reason for my reply is it really bothers me to
> > think that after
> > 10's of thousands of people have died in India and other
> > parts of the world,
> > nobody once got up and said "Let all of us Countries get
> > together and defeat
> > this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to do this.
> > Don't get me
> > wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have children I would
> > already have
> > enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now. I am
> > furious and feel
> > nobody in their right mind should ever have done this not
> > only to the US but
> > to ANY country. The point is, while I fully support full military
> > retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG time ago.
> >
> > I would like to finish by saying I really am disgusted that so many
> > Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian
> > establishments. I have a
> > good friend who's brother has been beat up and in several
> > fights already
> > because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period. We ALL
> > need to bond,
> > around the world, no matter what nationality we are or where
> > we live, to
> > wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all know it wont
> > be possible to
> > wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow all the countries got
> > together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe you out.
> > You mess with
> > them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we wipe you out.
> > Period" and
> > they would understand that no matter where they target, all
> > countries would
> > get together and fight this problem, perhaps the incidents
> > would diminish or
> > even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that there are
> > still Cells
> > operating in the US and other parts of the world, and that it
> > is not only
> > possible but more than likely that they will strike again
> > soon during all
> > this, and more US (and other countries) civilians will be
> > harmed. I will be
> > the first to admit (and I have heard many many more like me)
> > that I am a
> > little fearful of certain Arabic looking men mostly because
> > this whole thing
> > has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the
> > populations of not only
> > here, but around the world. But I for one will not just
> > arbitrarily attack
> > or be biased against them unless there is reason to do so. I
> > pray that we
> > don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't see
> > anything close to what
> > happened to the Japanese in WWII.
> >
> > When all is said and done, we need to all come together as a
> > world, not just
> > nationality or country, and rise above these outrageous acts.
> > It will only
> > be then that we can see anything close to world peace.
> >
> > Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if I offend
> > anyone. But
> > after talking to a number of people via email, online chat,
> > and in person, I
> > get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Peter Choe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > but neither has japan ever apologized for their atrocities
> > during the
> > > war to this day and even their history books leave out this part of
> > > their history. the US, however late and however hard they fought
> > > agaisnt, has made some apologies and compensations to the japanese
> > > americans they have interned during the war.
> > >
> > > and is you are not familiar with what atrocities the japanese
> > > has done,
> > > look into the rape of nanking and what they did with
> > comfort women(sex
> > > slaves) from korea.
> > >
> > > thus ends the history lesson for the day.
> > >
> > > Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sanjay,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that killed and
> > maimed many
> > > > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to this day as a US
> > > > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation have never
> > > made a formal
> > > > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for the
> > bombing at Pearl
> > > > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me (he was 12
> > > years old at the
> > > > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was the only way we
> > > could bring
> > > > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that we dropped
> > > on Nagasaki
> > > > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the attack on Pearl
> > > Harbor. They
> > > > were simply the most economic way AT THAT TIME, to bring to
> > > an end to a
> > > > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and almost bankrupted
> > > the United
> > > > States.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Celeste
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Sanjay Gomes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but couldn't
> > > resist a reply to
> > > > this, I am neither a critic of the US nor a fanatic but ....
> > > >
> > > > ..the facts are
> > > >
> > > > The Japanese bombed the military targets in the Pearl
> > > harbour , and
> > > > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs on two heavily
> > > populated
> > > > cities
> > > >
> > > > creating millions of civilian casualties for times to come
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > > >
> > > > To everyone on JSP Board.
> > > >
> > > > I apologize for filling up the board with another
> > > response, and off
> > > > topic at
> > > > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we in
> > American may have
> > > > deserved a
> > > > taste of what many in other countries have had to deal
> > > with the last
> > > > couple
> > > > of days, that I had to respond to Isidoros. My
> > > apologies to anyone I
> > > > inconvenience on the board today.
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------
> > > >
> > > > Isidoros,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to thank you for your expression of sympathy
> > > for those of
> > > > us here
> > > > in the US who did loose family, loved ones, and
> > > co-workers this past
> > > > Tues.
> > > > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all the employees of the
> > > > company that
> > > > we were working a contract with did manage to get out
> > > of the World
> > > > Trade
> > > > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> > > >
> > > > What you say is very true. We vote people into office
> > > in the US that
> > > > reflect the majority opinion of whatever political
> > > issues are at the
> > > > forefront during the election process. We do hold a
> > > great deal of
> > > > world
> > > > power in our hands, and we often do force our views of
> > > democracy and
> > > > justice
> > > > onto other countries who cultures and views are
> > > different. And, we
> > > > may use
> > > > our military muscle to protect our interests and the
> > > interests of our
> > > > allies, sometimes at the expense of the local people.
> > > >
> > > > So some of the hatred that has recently been directed at us is
> > > > understandable. But it is NOT excusable. We are a
> > country who
> > > > believe in
> > > > the rights of all free people to take up arms and fight
> > > for what they
> > > > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is a cowardly
> > > way to fight,
> > > > and it is
> > > > one that is without honor. Back when the Japanese
> > bombed Pearl
> > > > Harbor, they
> > > > freely and openly wore their national symbols on their
> > > planes, and
> > > > their
> > > > uniforms. And they admitted that they bomb us. Though
> > > the result
> > > > of their
> > > > actions were no different than the results that
> > > occurred on Tues in
> > > > NY and
> > > > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people and country
> > > with honor.
> > > > They
> > > > fought and died for what they believed in, and we in
> > > this country have
> > > > respected them from the day they signed the
> > armistice, up to the
> > > > present.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The people behind the attack that took place on Tuesday
> > > have refused to
> > > > stand up and admit who they are. Because of this, many
> > > Americans
> > > > view their
> > > > actions, and whatever beliefs they may hold that lead
> > > them to the
> > > > attack on
> > > > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and are a
> > people without
> > > > honor. In
> > > > addition to the attack on US soil on Tuesday, these
> > > same people have
> > > > killed
> > > > so many others in so many countries, that it is time that we
> > > > globally take a
> > > > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and for all.
> > That is why
> > > > NATO, and
> > > > many other countries, including those who are openly
> > > opposed to the
> > > > US such
> > > > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning what
> > > happened on Tues.
> > > > Whether
> > > > this will eventually lead to military action or not,
> > > it's hard to
> > > > say. But
> > > > this American is willing to cast a vote for military
> > > action IF their is
> > > > sufficient evidence regarding who was behind this
> > > attack, and IF the
> > > > person
> > > > or persons responsible refuse to stand up for their
> > actions and
> > > > beliefs in a
> > > > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> > > >
> > > > Thank you again for your prayers, and continuing
> > > praying that we as
> > > > a global
> > > > community can put a stop to terrorism once and for all without
> > > > resorting to
> > > > military action.
> > > >
> > > > Celeste
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good morning,
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling my opinion
> > about the
> > > > terrible
> > > > things that happened in USA. Whoever does not want to
> > read this
> > > > mail, he can
> > > > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring to erase an
> > email....
> > > >
> > > > I would also like to express my deep sorrow to the
> > > citizens of the USA.
> > > > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that may have lost friendly
> > > > people or
> > > > relatives.
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm from Greece and
> > > i'm a Christian
> > > > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in this list, i
> > > would also
> > > > like to
> > > > say my opinion...
> > > >
> > > > Noone in this earth has the right to feel happy for the
> > > dead people
> > > > and for
> > > > all the destructions in the city of New York.
> > > > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political beliefs and financial
> > > > situation , we
> > > > are all human beings and who are not given the right to
> > > feel relief
> > > > for some
> > > > people who die, even if their political or religious
> > > background is
> > > > not the
> > > > same to ours.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, noone has also the right to decide
> > > an attack and
> > > > kill
> > > > innocent people.
> > > > Whether you want it or not, the fellow subscribers that
> > > come from
> > > > the great
> > > > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain and the other ARE
> > > > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > > > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > > > Voting for presidents and people in high places in the
> > > goverments
> > > > who decide
> > > > that they will bomb innocent people (YUGOSLAVIA,
> > > AFRICA....) is not
> > > > less
> > > > responsibility than taking this decision. I want to
> > > make clear that
> > > > i'm not
> > > > saying that USA got what it deserved....I don't think
> > that human
> > > > beings are
> > > > the right beings to decide who has done wrong and who
> > > has done right.
> > > > I'm just saying that you are the one who voted for your
> > > presidents.Your
> > > > presidentd decided many bad things and attacks in the
> > > near past (and
> > > > noone
> > > > can deny it) and these presidents made so many
> > > countries,folks and
> > > > people
> > > > enemies of yours.
> > > > What i'm saying is that you gave the right to some
> > > people to hate you
> > > > because you made attacks that shouldn't have happened.
> > > > Whether you want it or not you hold the situation of
> > > the planet in your
> > > > hands. You can decide now what will hapen in my country
> > > in the next 30
> > > > years.If you ever understand the power that you hold in your
> > > > hands.............
> > > >
> > > > Again, i want to express my deep condolences to the
> > > families of the
> > > > dead and
> > > > wounded people,
> > > > i'm sure that are deep religious people in my country
> > > that will pray
> > > > for
> > > > you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Isidoros
> > > >
> > > > (P.S)
> > > > I would like some fellow subscribers, especially from
> > > USA, to judge my
> > > > opinion.
> > > >
> > > > Thanx
> > > >
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