I have to ammend one thing most people seem to ignore. As you (Karl) pointed
out, a war is one when one side says "Enough losses". Terrorists, although
their cause is radically different, probably think that if they bomb enough
US targets and enough of us are killed, we would give up. I don't know if
they have asked us to surrender, or if they just do it for the love of
seeing their limbs turn to a cloud of blood dust as the last thing they see,
but in retrospect, if they "still" have cells here ready to attack, its
conceivable that many more Americans will die before this thing is over. I
surely hope they don't have any mass-destruction weapons here, but imagine
if they had bilogical weapons or even worse, any type of small nuclear bomb,
planted in heavily populated areas what would happen. I still ponder that
thought. Supposedly over 50 cells are still "in hiding" in the US (number
can't be confirmed). If we attack them, even take out their leaders, do you
think knowing full well they have nothing to go back to AND that most likely
we will find them eventually here as well, that they are going to just stay
and hide? I seriously doubt it. It is a very scary time STILL for the US. I
don't think we are out of the clear as far as seeing more Americans die. I
surely hope not, but I still think there is a lot we don't know (the public)
about the various terrorists that are still here and ready to do damage.
Remember, these people have no care about killing themselves to kill others.
It is a VERY quick thing for them to strap on some C4 or other explosives or
weapons and within minutes walk into a populated area and detonate their
weapon. And most likely there is very little we can do other than hopefully
try to find them before they can do this!
But I can say one thing..I don't think, especially after what happened, that
even if millions more die in the US we will stop! They have done one very
bad thing..they united the US in a way I don't think any of us have every
seen. But far worse, they have united a good portion of the world with us,
which is surely going to be thier destruction!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Doane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> I know we should not contiue this but as a Proud AMERICAN, I
> feel that I
> need to respond. I have to disagree with these people who
> think we should
> apologize for dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Japan.
>
> Read your real History, not what the liberal bleeding heart
> media tells you.
> 1. THEY STARTED THE WAR with a cowardly sneak attack on Pearl
> Harbor.
> 2. They tortured and executed our captured soldiers.
> 3. They tried to exterminate the Chinese and all the
> rest of Asia.
> 4. They fought till the death and remember the
> kamakazie planes,
> they would not go quietly.
> 5. We would have lost probably a few hundred
> thousand soldiers by
> attacking their Homeland.
> 6. We would have had to kill just about every single Japanese
> person to take over Japan. I do believe that is
> more then
> our A Bombs killed.
> 7. You win a war through Attrition, you have to kill
> so many of
> them that they say 'enough'
> 8 We could have dropped the A bomb on Tokyo, that would have
> killed a few more people.
> 9. I don't they have ever apologized for their acts.
> 10. Don't start something you can't finish, if they
> didn't want to
> suffer the consequences, they should have
> stayed on their
> side of the Pacific.
> 11. I do believe that we gave them quite a bit of help
> rebuilding
> their country along with Germany.
>
> As far as the terrorist a.k.a. slimy, cowardly low lifes,
> that once again
> sneak attacked us again. Why didn't they stand up like real
> men and fight
> us head on. No they have to attack a buch of innocent civilians, like
> babies and women. I guess they are too chicken to fight our
> military head
> on. Why, they are afraid of having a fair fight, that is why.
>
> I feel bad for the 99+% of the Islamic people who are good,
> hard working
> honest and righteous people. They have to live with the fact
> that people
> who come from their countries did what they did. They
> shouldn't be ashamed
> because I know that this is not what they are like. We as
> good AMERICANs
> should treat these people with every right of freedom that we enjoy.
>
> People have said that we got what we deserved. Well, the
> next time somebody
> like Iraq comes steamrolling over your countries, don't come
> looking for
> help. We bailed you out the last time otherwise I think Iraq
> would now own
> the whole Middle East. You asked us to come over there, we
> did, and saved
> your butt and this is what we get in return. You will get
> what you deserve
> next time.
>
> You can dance and gloat all you want but just like Japan
> found out a few
> years back, DON'T MESS WITH US. You can have you Holy War
> and all that
> stuff but remember you only won the first battle. We will
> win the war and
> we will DESTROY you. We are the BEST and STRONGEST country
> in the world
> (They don't call us a Super Power for nothing) and we will
> not stop until we
> completely remove them from this great planet.
>
> If our country was so terrible and evil, then why do Hundred
> of Thousands of
> people want to come to our country and become citizens?????
> You are just a
> bunch of jealous people, who can't stand that we have
> progressed so far in
> such a short time (200+ years). In those short amount of
> years we went from
> 13 colonies under the thumb of Great Britian, to the MOST
> POWERFUL NATION IN
> THE WORLD. We are also the most ADVANCED and enjoy the most
> FREEDOM of any
> country in the world. Where are you?? The last time I
> heard, Afghanistan,
> is moving back to the caveman age.
>
> That's good, because if they don't hand over the loser, we
> will help them go
> back there, except a little faster.
>
> That is enough of this rant, but the next time any country
> that hates and
> despises us, has a natural disaster, don't come looking to us
> for help. Try
> to survive on your own for once.
>
> Some of you will say that I am just a crazed person, but this
> is called
> being an American. You attack one of us, I consider it an
> attack on all of
> us. I realize that all the people who gave the ulimate
> sacrifce before me,
> did so that I can live in this country. I love my freedom
> and will NEVER
> EVER apologize for what we did in defense of our country. If
> you don't like
> how we handle situations, don't ask us for our help.
>
> When was the last time we went somewhere uninvited??
> Middle East - We were invited.
> Kosovo - Invited and did 75%+ of the fighting.
> Vietnam - Invited.
> Korea - Invited.
> Haiti - Invited.
> WWII - Japan attacked, We FINISHED it
>
> I am sure that you have heard the saying 'Hell has no fury
> like a Woman's
> scorn' Well guess what, LADY LIBERTY is ticked off and she
> is going to open
> a can of whipa** on those low lifes. May God have mercy on
> their souls.
>
> AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> First, I see no reason why some oppose this discussion in
> this list, mostly
> because I think a number of us in this list are almost like
> family. I have
> been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have seen a lot more too.
> Second, I have to say in defense to not posting this
> discussion on this
> list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this is the ONLY
> list actually
> talking about this, so most likely it is not appropriate. But
> this list
> covers people around the world more so than any other list I
> am on. I do
> however feel it is good to talk about this, and therefore, I
> am replying
> another thought I had the other day.
>
> I work in a small dot.com company and with me are a few
> co-workers from
> India. I am white, but I consider these co workers my
> brothers (and sister)
> as I respect them very much. In the past couple of days they
> have taught me
> some information about what has happened in India, and other
> parts of the
> world. The reason for my reply is it really bothers me to
> think that after
> 10's of thousands of people have died in India and other
> parts of the world,
> nobody once got up and said "Let all of us Countries get
> together and defeat
> this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to do this.
> Don't get me
> wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have children I would
> already have
> enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now. I am
> furious and feel
> nobody in their right mind should ever have done this not
> only to the US but
> to ANY country. The point is, while I fully support full military
> retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG time ago.
>
> I would like to finish by saying I really am disgusted that so many
> Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian
> establishments. I have a
> good friend who's brother has been beat up and in several
> fights already
> because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period. We ALL
> need to bond,
> around the world, no matter what nationality we are or where
> we live, to
> wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all know it wont
> be possible to
> wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow all the countries got
> together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe you out.
> You mess with
> them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we wipe you out.
> Period" and
> they would understand that no matter where they target, all
> countries would
> get together and fight this problem, perhaps the incidents
> would diminish or
> even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that there are
> still Cells
> operating in the US and other parts of the world, and that it
> is not only
> possible but more than likely that they will strike again
> soon during all
> this, and more US (and other countries) civilians will be
> harmed. I will be
> the first to admit (and I have heard many many more like me)
> that I am a
> little fearful of certain Arabic looking men mostly because
> this whole thing
> has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the
> populations of not only
> here, but around the world. But I for one will not just
> arbitrarily attack
> or be biased against them unless there is reason to do so. I
> pray that we
> don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't see
> anything close to what
> happened to the Japanese in WWII.
>
> When all is said and done, we need to all come together as a
> world, not just
> nationality or country, and rise above these outrageous acts.
> It will only
> be then that we can see anything close to world peace.
>
> Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if I offend
> anyone. But
> after talking to a number of people via email, online chat,
> and in person, I
> get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Choe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > but neither has japan ever apologized for their atrocities
> during the
> > war to this day and even their history books leave out this part of
> > their history. the US, however late and however hard they fought
> > agaisnt, has made some apologies and compensations to the japanese
> > americans they have interned during the war.
> >
> > and is you are not familiar with what atrocities the japanese
> > has done,
> > look into the rape of nanking and what they did with
> comfort women(sex
> > slaves) from korea.
> >
> > thus ends the history lesson for the day.
> >
> > Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
> >
> > > Sanjay,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that killed and
> maimed many
> > > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to this day as a US
> > > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation have never
> > made a formal
> > > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for the
> bombing at Pearl
> > > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me (he was 12
> > years old at the
> > > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was the only way we
> > could bring
> > > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that we dropped
> > on Nagasaki
> > > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the attack on Pearl
> > Harbor. They
> > > were simply the most economic way AT THAT TIME, to bring to
> > an end to a
> > > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and almost bankrupted
> > the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sanjay Gomes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but couldn't
> > resist a reply to
> > > this, I am neither a critic of the US nor a fanatic but ....
> > >
> > > ..the facts are
> > >
> > > The Japanese bombed the military targets in the Pearl
> > harbour , and
> > > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs on two heavily
> > populated
> > > cities
> > >
> > > creating millions of civilian casualties for times to come
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > > To everyone on JSP Board.
> > >
> > > I apologize for filling up the board with another
> > response, and off
> > > topic at
> > > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we in
> American may have
> > > deserved a
> > > taste of what many in other countries have had to deal
> > with the last
> > > couple
> > > of days, that I had to respond to Isidoros. My
> > apologies to anyone I
> > > inconvenience on the board today.
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > >
> > > Isidoros,
> > >
> > > I wanted to thank you for your expression of sympathy
> > for those of
> > > us here
> > > in the US who did loose family, loved ones, and
> > co-workers this past
> > > Tues.
> > > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all the employees of the
> > > company that
> > > we were working a contract with did manage to get out
> > of the World
> > > Trade
> > > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> > >
> > > What you say is very true. We vote people into office
> > in the US that
> > > reflect the majority opinion of whatever political
> > issues are at the
> > > forefront during the election process. We do hold a
> > great deal of
> > > world
> > > power in our hands, and we often do force our views of
> > democracy and
> > > justice
> > > onto other countries who cultures and views are
> > different. And, we
> > > may use
> > > our military muscle to protect our interests and the
> > interests of our
> > > allies, sometimes at the expense of the local people.
> > >
> > > So some of the hatred that has recently been directed at us is
> > > understandable. But it is NOT excusable. We are a
> country who
> > > believe in
> > > the rights of all free people to take up arms and fight
> > for what they
> > > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is a cowardly
> > way to fight,
> > > and it is
> > > one that is without honor. Back when the Japanese
> bombed Pearl
> > > Harbor, they
> > > freely and openly wore their national symbols on their
> > planes, and
> > > their
> > > uniforms. And they admitted that they bomb us. Though
> > the result
> > > of their
> > > actions were no different than the results that
> > occurred on Tues in
> > > NY and
> > > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people and country
> > with honor.
> > > They
> > > fought and died for what they believed in, and we in
> > this country have
> > > respected them from the day they signed the
> armistice, up to the
> > > present.
> > >
> > >
> > > The people behind the attack that took place on Tuesday
> > have refused to
> > > stand up and admit who they are. Because of this, many
> > Americans
> > > view their
> > > actions, and whatever beliefs they may hold that lead
> > them to the
> > > attack on
> > > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and are a
> people without
> > > honor. In
> > > addition to the attack on US soil on Tuesday, these
> > same people have
> > > killed
> > > so many others in so many countries, that it is time that we
> > > globally take a
> > > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and for all.
> That is why
> > > NATO, and
> > > many other countries, including those who are openly
> > opposed to the
> > > US such
> > > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning what
> > happened on Tues.
> > > Whether
> > > this will eventually lead to military action or not,
> > it's hard to
> > > say. But
> > > this American is willing to cast a vote for military
> > action IF their is
> > > sufficient evidence regarding who was behind this
> > attack, and IF the
> > > person
> > > or persons responsible refuse to stand up for their
> actions and
> > > beliefs in a
> > > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> > >
> > > Thank you again for your prayers, and continuing
> > praying that we as
> > > a global
> > > community can put a stop to terrorism once and for all without
> > > resorting to
> > > military action.
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > Good morning,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling my opinion
> about the
> > > terrible
> > > things that happened in USA. Whoever does not want to
> read this
> > > mail, he can
> > > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring to erase an
> email....
> > >
> > > I would also like to express my deep sorrow to the
> > citizens of the USA.
> > > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that may have lost friendly
> > > people or
> > > relatives.
> > >
> > > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm from Greece and
> > i'm a Christian
> > > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in this list, i
> > would also
> > > like to
> > > say my opinion...
> > >
> > > Noone in this earth has the right to feel happy for the
> > dead people
> > > and for
> > > all the destructions in the city of New York.
> > > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political beliefs and financial
> > > situation , we
> > > are all human beings and who are not given the right to
> > feel relief
> > > for some
> > > people who die, even if their political or religious
> > background is
> > > not the
> > > same to ours.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, noone has also the right to decide
> > an attack and
> > > kill
> > > innocent people.
> > > Whether you want it or not, the fellow subscribers that
> > come from
> > > the great
> > > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain and the other ARE
> > > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > > Voting for presidents and people in high places in the
> > goverments
> > > who decide
> > > that they will bomb innocent people (YUGOSLAVIA,
> > AFRICA....) is not
> > > less
> > > responsibility than taking this decision. I want to
> > make clear that
> > > i'm not
> > > saying that USA got what it deserved....I don't think
> that human
> > > beings are
> > > the right beings to decide who has done wrong and who
> > has done right.
> > > I'm just saying that you are the one who voted for your
> > presidents.Your
> > > presidentd decided many bad things and attacks in the
> > near past (and
> > > noone
> > > can deny it) and these presidents made so many
> > countries,folks and
> > > people
> > > enemies of yours.
> > > What i'm saying is that you gave the right to some
> > people to hate you
> > > because you made attacks that shouldn't have happened.
> > > Whether you want it or not you hold the situation of
> > the planet in your
> > > hands. You can decide now what will hapen in my country
> > in the next 30
> > > years.If you ever understand the power that you hold in your
> > > hands.............
> > >
> > > Again, i want to express my deep condolences to the
> > families of the
> > > dead and
> > > wounded people,
> > > i'm sure that are deep religious people in my country
> > that will pray
> > > for
> > > you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Isidoros
> > >
> > > (P.S)
> > > I would like some fellow subscribers, especially from
> > USA, to judge my
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > >
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