First, I see no reason why some oppose this discussion in this list, mostly
because I think a number of us in this list are almost like family. I have
been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have seen a lot more too.
Second, I have to say in defense to not posting this discussion on this
list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this is the ONLY list actually
talking about this, so most likely it is not appropriate. But this list
covers people around the world more so than any other list I am on. I do
however feel it is good to talk about this, and therefore, I am replying
another thought I had the other day.
I work in a small dot.com company and with me are a few co-workers from
India. I am white, but I consider these co workers my brothers (and sister)
as I respect them very much. In the past couple of days they have taught me
some information about what has happened in India, and other parts of the
world. The reason for my reply is it really bothers me to think that after
10's of thousands of people have died in India and other parts of the world,
nobody once got up and said "Let all of us Countries get together and defeat
this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to do this. Don't get me
wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have children I would already have
enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now. I am furious and feel
nobody in their right mind should ever have done this not only to the US but
to ANY country. The point is, while I fully support full military
retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG time ago.
I would like to finish by saying I really am disgusted that so many
Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian establishments. I have a
good friend who's brother has been beat up and in several fights already
because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period. We ALL need to bond,
around the world, no matter what nationality we are or where we live, to
wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all know it wont be possible to
wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow all the countries got
together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe you out. You mess with
them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we wipe you out. Period" and
they would understand that no matter where they target, all countries would
get together and fight this problem, perhaps the incidents would diminish or
even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that there are still Cells
operating in the US and other parts of the world, and that it is not only
possible but more than likely that they will strike again soon during all
this, and more US (and other countries) civilians will be harmed. I will be
the first to admit (and I have heard many many more like me) that I am a
little fearful of certain Arabic looking men mostly because this whole thing
has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the populations of not only
here, but around the world. But I for one will not just arbitrarily attack
or be biased against them unless there is reason to do so. I pray that we
don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't see anything close to what
happened to the Japanese in WWII.
When all is said and done, we need to all come together as a world, not just
nationality or country, and rise above these outrageous acts. It will only
be then that we can see anything close to world peace.
Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if I offend anyone. But
after talking to a number of people via email, online chat, and in person, I
get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Choe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> but neither has japan ever apologized for their atrocities during the
> war to this day and even their history books leave out this part of
> their history. the US, however late and however hard they fought
> agaisnt, has made some apologies and compensations to the japanese
> americans they have interned during the war.
>
> and is you are not familiar with what atrocities the japanese
> has done,
> look into the rape of nanking and what they did with comfort women(sex
> slaves) from korea.
>
> thus ends the history lesson for the day.
>
> Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
>
> > Sanjay,
> >
> >
> >
> > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that killed and maimed many
> > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to this day as a US
> > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation have never
> made a formal
> > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for the bombing at Pearl
> > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me (he was 12
> years old at the
> > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was the only way we
> could bring
> > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that we dropped
> on Nagasaki
> > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the attack on Pearl
> Harbor. They
> > were simply the most economic way AT THAT TIME, to bring to
> an end to a
> > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and almost bankrupted
> the United
> > States.
> >
> >
> >
> > Celeste
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: Sanjay Gomes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but couldn't
> resist a reply to
> > this, I am neither a critic of the US nor a fanatic but ....
> >
> > ..the facts are
> >
> > The Japanese bombed the military targets in the Pearl
> harbour , and
> > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs on two heavily
> populated
> > cities
> >
> > creating millions of civilian casualties for times to come
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> > To everyone on JSP Board.
> >
> > I apologize for filling up the board with another
> response, and off
> > topic at
> > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we in American may have
> > deserved a
> > taste of what many in other countries have had to deal
> with the last
> > couple
> > of days, that I had to respond to Isidoros. My
> apologies to anyone I
> > inconvenience on the board today.
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> > Isidoros,
> >
> > I wanted to thank you for your expression of sympathy
> for those of
> > us here
> > in the US who did loose family, loved ones, and
> co-workers this past
> > Tues.
> > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all the employees of the
> > company that
> > we were working a contract with did manage to get out
> of the World
> > Trade
> > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> >
> > What you say is very true. We vote people into office
> in the US that
> > reflect the majority opinion of whatever political
> issues are at the
> > forefront during the election process. We do hold a
> great deal of
> > world
> > power in our hands, and we often do force our views of
> democracy and
> > justice
> > onto other countries who cultures and views are
> different. And, we
> > may use
> > our military muscle to protect our interests and the
> interests of our
> > allies, sometimes at the expense of the local people.
> >
> > So some of the hatred that has recently been directed at us is
> > understandable. But it is NOT excusable. We are a country who
> > believe in
> > the rights of all free people to take up arms and fight
> for what they
> > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is a cowardly
> way to fight,
> > and it is
> > one that is without honor. Back when the Japanese bombed Pearl
> > Harbor, they
> > freely and openly wore their national symbols on their
> planes, and
> > their
> > uniforms. And they admitted that they bomb us. Though
> the result
> > of their
> > actions were no different than the results that
> occurred on Tues in
> > NY and
> > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people and country
> with honor.
> > They
> > fought and died for what they believed in, and we in
> this country have
> > respected them from the day they signed the armistice, up to the
> > present.
> >
> >
> > The people behind the attack that took place on Tuesday
> have refused to
> > stand up and admit who they are. Because of this, many
> Americans
> > view their
> > actions, and whatever beliefs they may hold that lead
> them to the
> > attack on
> > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and are a people without
> > honor. In
> > addition to the attack on US soil on Tuesday, these
> same people have
> > killed
> > so many others in so many countries, that it is time that we
> > globally take a
> > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and for all. That is why
> > NATO, and
> > many other countries, including those who are openly
> opposed to the
> > US such
> > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning what
> happened on Tues.
> > Whether
> > this will eventually lead to military action or not,
> it's hard to
> > say. But
> > this American is willing to cast a vote for military
> action IF their is
> > sufficient evidence regarding who was behind this
> attack, and IF the
> > person
> > or persons responsible refuse to stand up for their actions and
> > beliefs in a
> > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> >
> > Thank you again for your prayers, and continuing
> praying that we as
> > a global
> > community can put a stop to terrorism once and for all without
> > resorting to
> > military action.
> >
> > Celeste
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling my opinion about the
> > terrible
> > things that happened in USA. Whoever does not want to read this
> > mail, he can
> > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring to erase an email....
> >
> > I would also like to express my deep sorrow to the
> citizens of the USA.
> > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that may have lost friendly
> > people or
> > relatives.
> >
> > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm from Greece and
> i'm a Christian
> > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in this list, i
> would also
> > like to
> > say my opinion...
> >
> > Noone in this earth has the right to feel happy for the
> dead people
> > and for
> > all the destructions in the city of New York.
> > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political beliefs and financial
> > situation , we
> > are all human beings and who are not given the right to
> feel relief
> > for some
> > people who die, even if their political or religious
> background is
> > not the
> > same to ours.
> >
> > On the other hand, noone has also the right to decide
> an attack and
> > kill
> > innocent people.
> > Whether you want it or not, the fellow subscribers that
> come from
> > the great
> > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain and the other ARE
> > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > Voting for presidents and people in high places in the
> goverments
> > who decide
> > that they will bomb innocent people (YUGOSLAVIA,
> AFRICA....) is not
> > less
> > responsibility than taking this decision. I want to
> make clear that
> > i'm not
> > saying that USA got what it deserved....I don't think that human
> > beings are
> > the right beings to decide who has done wrong and who
> has done right.
> > I'm just saying that you are the one who voted for your
> presidents.Your
> > presidentd decided many bad things and attacks in the
> near past (and
> > noone
> > can deny it) and these presidents made so many
> countries,folks and
> > people
> > enemies of yours.
> > What i'm saying is that you gave the right to some
> people to hate you
> > because you made attacks that shouldn't have happened.
> > Whether you want it or not you hold the situation of
> the planet in your
> > hands. You can decide now what will hapen in my country
> in the next 30
> > years.If you ever understand the power that you hold in your
> > hands.............
> >
> > Again, i want to express my deep condolences to the
> families of the
> > dead and
> > wounded people,
> > i'm sure that are deep religious people in my country
> that will pray
> > for
> > you.
> >
> >
> > Isidoros
> >
> > (P.S)
> > I would like some fellow subscribers, especially from
> USA, to judge my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Thanx
> >
> >
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