Hi, I think the big advantage of Larry's proposition is that it would probably be simpler to implement. From a user point of view, I think a toolbox would be more "efficient" for some actions (faster, and easier to understand thanks to icons). Larry, can you explain what are the dreams and plans you had to abandon ? Extendability may be a bit tricky, but do we need it ? Can a dialog be designed as a big plugin instantiating other plugins ?
Michaël Larry Becker a écrit : > >I understand it right now the way, that you right-click on that pannel > >and a popup menu opens? > > No, a mode-less Geometry function dialog is almost exactly what I'm > proposing with the function being chosen from the drop-down pick list. > > >How about text-only-buttons stacked? > > That would work too. It is just more difficult and you quickly run > out of room. > > >would this also shorten access-time to a function like "Merge Two > Polygons"? > > It would if the panel was already open, and the function was already > chosen (as it would be if you were doing this multiple times). > > Larry > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Stefan Steiniger <sst...@geo.uzh.ch > <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch>> wrote: > > mhm.. doable for sure, but would this also shorten access-time to a > function like "Merge Two Polygons"? > > I understand it right now the way, that you right-click on that pannel > and a popup menu opens? > > How about text-only-buttons stacked? like these new fancy menus in > .Net > applications - but without the opening of submenus: see on the left > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Outlook_07.png > > > Larry Becker wrote: > > I was thinking of something like the attached OJ Geometry Function > > dialog only mode-less (floating window). The pop-up menu would > contain > > functions defined by users. This way there is no need for making a > > unique icon and you never run out of room on a tool pallet. > Clicking > > the (TBD ) button would be the same as clicking a tool icon. An > example > > of a custom tool might be: "Add a tree" which would input a > point and > > prompt for an attribute like species. > > > > Larry > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Stefan Steiniger > <sst...@geo.uzh.ch <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch> > > <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch>>> wrote: > > > > Ok.. but thank you for working on it. > > > > On your idea: I can not really imagine what you are talking > about, i.e. > > how it would look like... > > > > stefan > > > > Larry Becker wrote: > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > >What is the progress with the new (dynamic?) toolbar... > > > > > > Well actually not much. I wasted a lot of time on dreams > and schemes > > > that didn't work out. I think what is needed is a > simpler method of > > > doing the same thing without so much overhead. I was > thinking that a > > > simple floating window with a pop-up menu of custom tools > and a > > button > > > to activate it might do the trick. Opinions? > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Stefan Steiniger > > <sst...@geo.uzh.ch <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch> > <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch>> > > > <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch> > <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch <mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch>>>> wrote: > > > > > > Hei Larry, > > > > > > on a bit different thing as you outline your current > > develoment goal... > > > What is the progress with the new (dynamic?) toolbar - so > > could we > > > include that in the next OJ 1.3? > > > Or do you think it is a bit obsolete, since a Jython > script > > may do the > > > same? (I haven't tried it yet to make a script that > generates > > a "merge > > > two polygons" button) > > > > > > @Peppe (sorry for highjacking this topic): > > > I have only checked the beginning of the OJ functions > manual > > (first 10 > > > pages). It will take a few more days (weeks) till it > is done > > as I have > > > put preference for integrating the final OJ 1.3 > functionality > > (Things to > > > be done are i18n of the Pirol image stuff - and > checking what > > goes wrong > > > with the referencing, and finally Michaels Attribute > plugin) > > > > > > stefan > > > > > > Larry Becker schrieb: > > > > >That build comes with Oracle support that is missing > > from FWTools > > > > binaries. > > > > > > > > Yes, but you do have to have an Oracle client > installed, > > and it it is > > > > missing a few of the other formats. > > > > > > > > In any case, I suppose this is a detail that can > be left > > to the > > > user to > > > > resolve at install time. I hope to write my driver to > > support all > > > > available ogr2ogr features (although you might have to > > manually type > > > > some parameters). I do plan to package it up as a > > separate plugin > > > > bundled with binaries for Windows. It should look a > > little like > > > ogr2gui > > > > when finished. I'm going to attempt to avoid any JUMP > > specific > > > > dependencies so that it could run stand-alone if > desired. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rahkonen Jukka > > > > <jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>> > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>>> > > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>> > > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > You may have a look also at the gdal binaries > coming > > with ms4w > > > > package http://maptools.org/ms4w/index.phtml. > That build > > > comes with > > > > Oracle support that is missing from FWTools > binaries. > > > > > > > > Here is the list of supported formats in > FWTools 2.2.8: > > > > C:\ohjelmat\FWTools2.2.8>ogr2ogr --formats > > > > Supported Formats: > > > > -> "ESRI Shapefile" (read/write) > > > > -> "MapInfo File" (read/write) > > > > -> "UK .NTF" (readonly) > > > > -> "SDTS" (readonly) > > > > -> "TIGER" (read/write) > > > > -> "S57" (read/write) > > > > -> "DGN" (read/write) > > > > -> "VRT" (readonly) > > > > -> "REC" (readonly) > > > > -> "Memory" (read/write) > > > > -> "BNA" (read/write) > > > > -> "CSV" (read/write) > > > > -> "NAS" (readonly) > > > > -> "GML" (read/write) > > > > -> "GPX" (read/write) > > > > -> "KML" (read/write) > > > > -> "GeoJSON" (read/write) > > > > -> "Interlis 1" (read/write) > > > > -> "Interlis 2" (read/write) > > > > -> "GMT" (read/write) > > > > -> "SQLite" (read/write) > > > > -> "ODBC" (read/write) > > > > -> "PGeo" (readonly) > > > > -> "OGDI" (readonly) > > > > -> "PostgreSQL" (read/write) > > > > -> "MySQL" (read/write) > > > > -> "XPlane" (readonly) > > > > -> "AVCBin" (readonly) > > > > -> "AVCE00" (readonly) > > > > -> "Geoconcept" (read/write) > > > > > > > > -Jukka- > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Becker wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi Jukka, > > > > > > > > >>Conversion to gml and reading that instead of > > shapefiles > > > would be > > > > better > > > > choise sometimes... > > > > > > > > >I agree, but it doesn't sound like GML is > compatible > > > between the two > > > > programs: http://www.gdal.org/ogr/drv_gml.html > > > > > > > > >BTW, here is a link to all of the supported > formats. > > I'm > > > not sure > > > > how many > > > > of the optional ones are compiled into > FWTools, which > > is the only > > > > practical > > > > way of getting binaries. > > http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_formats.html > > > > > > > > >Larry > > > > > > > > >On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Rahkonen Jukka > > > > ><jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>> > > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>>> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>> > > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi> > > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi > <mailto:jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi>>>>>wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> > > > > >> I may be difficult to decide which of the > many ogr2ogr > > > options > > > > will be > > > > >> supported by user interface. Perhaps > there could > > be an empty > > > > slot called > > > > >> "og2oogr parameters" which just passes on > > everything just as > > > > user has > > > > >> written. > > > > >> Some formats that ogr2ogr supports may > have mixed > > > geometries, 3D > > > > data or > > > > >> several layers and making use of them > simple may > > also be > > > a bit > > > > tricky. > > > > >> Conversion to gml and reading that instead of > > shapefiles > > > would > > > > be better > > > > >> choise sometimes, but OJ needs those > templates. > > And writing > > > > OpenJUMP driver > > > > >> directly into ogr2ogr would need C++ > programmer, I > > fear. > > > > Anyway, your plan > > > > >> will be a good start and it will also > offer one > > way to write > > > > data to Oracle > > > > >> and PostGIS. > > > > >> > > > > >> -Jukka- > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- > > > > > Lähettäjä: Larry Becker > > [mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>>> > > > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>> <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>>>>] > > > > > Lähetetty: pe 20.2.2009 22:13 > > > > > Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use > > > > > Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Increased GDAL Java > activity > > > > > > > > > > >Perhaps this could be done by simply making OS > > external > > > > > >process calls, rather than in-process > bindings to the > > > library? > > > > > > > > > > That is actually the path I'm investigating > now. > > The import > > > > utility would > > > > > just script ogr2ogr to put the results as > > shapefiles in a temp > > > > folder. > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Martin Davis > > > > <mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>> > > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, I'd agree. And for something so > core to the > > > application, > > > > I think > > > > > > it's really important to preserve the > 100% Java > > aspect, with > > > > all the > > > > > > benefits of platform-independence that it > brings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus all that JNI hacking - brrrrrr! > > > > > > > > > > > > Format transformation is less core to the > > architecture, > > > so it > > > > doesn't > > > > > > seem unreasonable to look to GDAL to > provide formats > > > which are > > > > > > required. Perhaps this could be done by > simply > > making > > > OS external > > > > > > process calls, rather than in-process > bindings to the > > > library? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know much about GDAL, but I'm > thinking > > it will > > > be a > > > > lot easier > > > > > > > to add deegree or GeoTidy/GeoTools CRS > support > > to OJ. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Larry > Becker > > > > <becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>> <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>>> > > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>> <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com > <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>>>>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This post is continuing the > debate/discussion > > about > > > adding OJ > > > > > projection > > > > > > >> support, and other interesting things that > > GDAL provides. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I've noticed that Even Rouault has > been giving the > > > GDAL Java > > > > bindings > > > > > > quite > > > > > > >> a workout lately. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/browser/trunk/gdal/swig/java/apps/ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Does this development indicate that it > may no > > longer > > > be quite so > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > >> to add GDAL support to JUMP? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> regards, > > > > > > >> Larry > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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