On Saturday 31 May 2008 03:33:15 tildemark wrote:
> as for me, i would focus more on getting myself graduate rather than
> making other people insure a better job for me in the future. lets be
> practical, a lot of people ended up in the wrong job than what they
> actually study. i have a friend a licensed doctor but he works as a
> visual basic programmer.
>
> i say what matters most is that you must graduate with one degree to
> get a job fast. which would you get the degree fast? compsci or
> nursing?
>
> just do your research on your job to be company and answer every
> question intelligently, even if your low on iq, youll pass. the secret
> is to empress the employer at the interview.

you make a great point about graduating first.  strongly agree there.
either of those degrees will help the OP mature as a person (learn
things he'll need in the outside world, any degree helps if he tries
to go overseas, learn how to get along with people, learn how to
do work as  a member of a team, gain general knowledge [history,
economics, math, science, english] that he probably wouldn't gain
without college because most people don't learn new things for
fun).  OTOH, while it's true that almost any degree will help, 
choosing the degree that he'll actually use when working is 
better.   and, while i'm not a fan of premature optimization, 
taking the time to consider his choices and making the right choice
is not, IMO premature.  this is why i think it's important for the
OP to consider his actual capabilities and strengths, likes and 
dislikes in making his career choices.  

i don't agree, however, with your last paragraph.  if you interview
for a job and find that you're not qualified for the job due to inherent
deficiencies (not enough IQ), it's better to withdraw your application.
if the deficiency is just knowledge, then it's IMPORTANT to inform
the employer of the deficiency, and then to make the point (but only
if it's true) that you're willing to learn and are a fast learner.

the principle involved there is to develop your moral sense.  tell
the truth, do the right thing(s).  don't just do or say whatever will
get you the job.  

for people with the right skills, capabilities and attitude, there are 
always opportunities and openings.  you can gain skills.  you can 
improve some capabilities, some skills can make up for *some*
(certainly not all though) capability scores, and the right attitude
can make up for a lot of things.  

if the OP just *needs* a job.  it's probably better to take a job that
pays less but requires lower skills, AND THEN do whatever he can
at that job to augment his skills, learn how to work with others
(bosses or otherwise) and learn how to solve problems in the real
world.

at the OP's age and stage in his career, there are a lot of things to be
learned.  his first job should be one that allows him to learn or at
least allows him the leisure (at home, after office hours) to learn 
what he'll need to move forward.  the focus, in the first job should
not be on salary.  he should make enough to live on, but he should
not focus on salary.  the ability and opportunity, at that job, to 
learn things that will enhance his skills is just as important than
salary.  i would say that as long as the salary keeps him alive,
then the learning on the job (and therefore the culture and 
environment at work, better cultures encourage improvement, 
cultures that stifle improvement and learning are to be avoided)
is more important than salary or anything else.

i don't expect many to agree :-).  this sort of perspective is
what you gain after making mistakes in your career choices
over decades :-).  many people also make the wrong choices,
end up in dead end positions, and don't learn.  others are able
to impress their interviewers and therefore make a lot of money
and then stay at those positions because their employers are just
as clueless as they are :-).  i've mostly worked with the first kind.
it's very painful to work with people who mainly write bugs.
the second kind become managers.  i've been lucky with my
managers.  i've seen what bad (and incredibly bad) managers
can do to a team though.

tiger

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