This topic came from lace chat where the discussion is to do with original
artworks (e.g. a painting).
However, on the topic of 'copying' lace patterns, I shall add some random
thoughts here:

I agree it could be vexing if potential sales are hampered that a lace group
buys a single of a pattern and shares copies amongst themselves - although I
wouldn't call it stealing. Illegal use, sure (at least it is 'use'). What I
would call 'stealing' is if someone were to put their own name on my design!
As a lace pattern designer myself, there are considerations - ' do I want my
designs out there and in use, or do I put a price on them, and try to
control where they go? '

Regarding Torchon patterns: on the regular grid, simply by recombining the
various stitch elements characteristic of this lace, they are easy to design
for many of us. It isn't too difficult to look at a generic Torchon pattern
or an existing lace and copy it from sight if one wants to - so this gave me
the thought about protecting the design - a good way to protect a design is
to make it distinctive, recognizable to lacemakers as 'that' designer's work
- then if copied and passed around among friends, there won't be any doubt
as to whose design it is. This gives respect to the design, even if money
doesn't change hands, and protects the designer against someone else passing
it off as their own. There are many, many ways to recombine Torchon
stitches, and we can substitute one for another depending on the pattern.
When I do a Torchon pattern 'from scratch' I'm not really confident in
calling it 'original' unless I make a drastic change from convention. One
thing I tried was putting a 5-leaf crossing where technically only 4 should
go - it wasn't easy to work <g> - originality in Torchon is hard to pin down
(pardon the pun).

For copying lace patterns, therein lies a quandry also for the lacemaker -
can we use 'copyright' lace patterns without copying them. Fortunately most
copyright holders (and litigators) are agreeable to the personal use clause.
If not, then they don't want us to use their patterns -  and I guess better
not to buy them  ;)

One last thing, I don't understand how re-selling an original copy is
illegal. The buyer owns the piece of paper, not the design. And on that
line, auction houses and secondhand bookstores would be in big trouble
<vbg>  but if there is a logical explanation, I'd welcome it.

Others have weighed in, and I think I'll head off to do some lacing, or
gardening...
-- 
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

On 4/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi, we are one of the biggest designers of Torchon lace  patterns. They
> are,
> in English law, copy right. You may not copy at all without  our
> permission.
> We tell our customer we don't mind them copying the bought copy  for their
> own
> use. It is illegal to copy and give away copies and  it is illegal to sell
> the original after you have finished with it. All this I  got from our
> solicitor
>

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