Hi Mike, >> I didn't expect a storm of activity - but I (perhaps foolishly) expected >> some sort of response. I'm not looking for a "good job, well done" >> response - but some sort of feedback that somebody is actually giving >> the latest developments a try would be helpful. Without any kind of >> feedback whatsoever, it's very hard to justify spending one's spare time >> on something nobody will use anyway. > My comments on the new branch name were pending project name change, so > I'll provide them now... > > Since LEAF is now a Framework, how about using wood types for branches? > > Douglas Fir - a bare bones frame > Rosewood - polished but not necessarily robust > Ceder - infection resistant > etc. My comment on the lack of response was not really geared towards the naming issue. Sure, if we find a catchy name, that's great - but if nobody uses it, and nobody contributes, what difference does it make? To me, Open Source projects have always been about different people from all walks of life and all kinds of backgrounds contributing to the project. I don't see that with LEAF at the moment (and I'm not discounting the people who have contributed in the past, and continue to contribute - but if a project has to rely on a handful of people, what happens when a few of those people decides he/she doesn't have the spare time anymore?)
> Some of this is likely my fault. Since my accident, I haven't devoted as > much time to LEAF as I did in the past. :-( Maybe - but most likely not. You not being able to put in as many hours as you did in the past has nothing to do with the fact that this project never had a broad developer base. As long as I remember (and I've been been around for a while), it's always been about individuals making the difference. Dave in the beginning, then Matthew with Matterhorn and Eiger (I also remember something called Kilimanjaro - but I don't remember who created that), if I recall correctly, then Charles with Eigerstein and Dachstein, then Jaques and Erik with Bering, then Eric, kp and Luis with Bering uClibc (forgive me if I remembered something incorrectly or if I forgot somebody - I'm going by memory here, so there will undoubtedly be inaccuracies). I guess the back in the days of Koon Wong's package archive, and Rick's c0wz site, we had what might me called a broad community - but looking back, even that was mainly driven by a few individuals. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - maybe that unless we manage to build up more manpower, we'll always run into trouble when one of the core developers decides it's time to move on and do something else (and IMHO, there's nothing wrong with people seeking new challenges or just getting bored with doing the same thing all the time - most of us have to do tedious work during our days work, so I don't blame anybody for not being willing to do the same kind of work for an extended period of time in their spare time as well). > I hope to update our website in the next couple of months. Maybe that > will help invigorate community participation. Maybe it will - but I doubt that the people who are mostly attracted by a shiny webpage are what the project needs right now. Keeping the webpage up to date is a worthy goal - but I don't think that the lack of a re-furbished webpage is holding the project back (getting the LEAF documentation set to build as a PDF again might help - but honestly, I doubt it would make a difference with the issues we're (or maybe mainly I am) discussing). It's not about lack of visibility or lack of documentation - to me, it's about lack of participation, and people tending to consume and expect their needs met, rather than actively contributing. And again, by no means do I mean to discount all the people who have (including you) actively contributed in all kinds of ways. It just seems to me there are not enough people like that to keep things going. Or maybe it's just one of those Fridays, and I'm too pessimistic. Martin > -- You think that's tough? Try herding cats! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
