Michael,
I agree. We are paying the price for not investing in a reliable goal scorer 
(and also, weirdly, for not seeming to care about using corners to our 
advantage). 
Play-off defeat to Derby again, anyone?
Cheers!
Sean


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com>
To: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>; Ed Morrish 
<edmorr...@gmail.com>; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk <bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..........

After todays result,  I am beginning to have doubts.
It looks like Brentford plus one.
We have looked very iffy since the break.  We are not showing the panache and 
belief I expect from a team driving for promotion. We can miss out yet again.
Sorry,  but once bitten twice shy.  We have been more than bitten once.  We've 
been savaged.

Michael

Dr. Michael Benjamin
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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 12:01:49 AM
To: Ed Morrish <edmorr...@gmail.com>; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
<bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..........

John, read Social media if you want to find plenty of examples of negative over 
reaction, just as there was the opposite after we beat the 3rd team in the 
league, but I'm sure you already knew that.  Everyone is entitled to their 
opinions and I'm entitled to my opinion on their opinions. The fact is that 
it's entirely in our hands, we are top we have a top manager who is bringing 
the best out of a bunch of players many of whom were bang average 2 years ago 
or cast offs from Premier league (Harrison & White).  The moans on the list 
are, in my opinion, the very same as were made about our teams since I joined 
the list in the mid nineties

Sent from my Mobile.

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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:01:23 PM
To: Ed Morrish <edmorr...@gmail.com>
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..........

Richard - could you paste the link to the survey please, you know, the one 
you’ve just referenced re the attitude of Leeds fans? Or was it just a daft 
comment with you pretending to have a clue?

Yes, we have a reasonably easy run-in, but just drew with the league’s bottom 
team, so how easy will it be for a side struggling to score?

Rob H ‘best footballing side for over 40 years’ - what, better than when we won 
Div 1, or the season before, when the 4th place saw us play some staggering 
football, or better than the Kewell/O’Leary era and the Champions League?

Ben White is a great player, but his defending AT THAT MOMENT was poor!



> On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:38, Ed Morrish <edmorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We play best when there’s space in front of us. Teams like Luton and Cardiff 
> are happy to let us have the ball, sit back, and wait for us to fuck it up.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:28, Jim Moran <j...@jimmoran.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW I think we’d do better in the top flight with this team.
>>
>> The other observation was because of Cooper’s injury we played most of the
>> game with 1 centre half, so Phillips was in essence playing central
>> defence.
>>
>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 18:17, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't bother Rob, the prevailing attitude of Leeds fans is we are shit and
>>> won't go up, and if we do we'll be shit in the Premier League and come
>>> right back down again.  It makes me laugh when people say that Mclaren is
>>> an idiot, except when he agrees with them.  They can't stand being proved
>>> wrong, so the slightest mistake produces reams and reams of I told you
>>> so's.  Some people will never be happy, I don't know if they had a tough
>>> childhood, or just enjoy being miserable.  I wonder why some of them aren't
>>> employed in some professional capacity in Football.  Meanwhile in the real
>>> world, we are top, points ahead of other teams, got a reasonably easy run
>>> in and are watching the best football we've had for half a generation.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of Robert Heath
>>> Sent: 01 July 2020 16:18
>>> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
>>> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..........
>>>
>>> Well that's me put in my place. Thanks for that.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am going to carry on LOVING watching a young, humble local
>>> lad playing the pivot in the best footballing side we have had for over 40
>>> years. And I'm also going to enjoy watching probably the best English CH
>>> since Ferdinand performing magnificently in a Leeds shirt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:16 PM <bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know why you bother either - on that we can agree.
>>>>
>>>> I love the way you pass off patronising people as being some superior
>>>> footballing power. Best chuckle I’ve had today ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I love your stereotyping English fans too - you sound ever so slightly
>>>> bigoted. Very clever.
>>>>
>>>> ‘White had no clue he was about to shoot’ - centre-forward, on his
>>>> own, a rare counter attack, yet you argue there was no clue he might
>>>> shoot. What do you think he was likely to do? Fuck me, you are Steve
>>> McLaren!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jul 2020, at 12:21, Robert Heath <heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Phillips. Have none of you got any idea of the basic principles
>>>>> of Bielsa's method of play? One of them is to switch play from one
>>>>> side to
>>>> the
>>>>> other quickly and often (to keep the defenders moving across and
>>>>> back
>>>> over
>>>>> and over.) To do this, somebody has to pass the ball sideways.
>>>>> Phillips
>>>> is
>>>>> the player usually tasked with doing this, and he does it really well.
>>>>> "Passing the ball sideways" is the classic crime which English "fans"
>>>> love
>>>>> to identify and make themselves sound as if they are clever. That
>>>>> remark
>>>> by
>>>>> McLaren, which was praised on here, was fuckwittery of the highest
>>>>> order, and demonstrated right there why he has been appointed to so
>>>>> many jobs
>>>> but
>>>>> has ultimately failed every time.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. White. The point about that goal was that it was an INCREDIBLE
>>>>> finish
>>>> by
>>>>> their lad. What all you armchair geniuses did not seem to notice was
>>>>> that he produced that shot with absolutely no backlift. White
>>>>> therefore had no clue that he was about to shoot, which was why he
>>>>> remained sideon ready
>>>> to
>>>>> respond to a further dribble. (Why do players have to produce these
>>>>> incredible- I mean, literally, incredible - things against us? Last
>>>>> year, that lad from Wigan was unplayable with his speed and skill.
>>>>> Has he ever done anything since? That kid who scored last
>>>>> night.........he will
>>>> retire
>>>>> in 10 years after kicking around the lower leagues, and the
>>>>> highlight of his career will have been an amazing goal he scored at
>>>>> Elland Road. I
>>>> mean
>>>>> jeez, he couldn't even get into the starting XI of Lutin bloody
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