Hello Begat
I try not to blame Legacy or its people . I try to see both sides of the story
before making my mind .
It looks to me like Legacy is wielding a double edged sword in most cases Here.
they opened the world to OM turning clearing a way for others to follow,But on
there back swing many owners fell the same cutting edge with cost and loss of
available parts and product lines being cut.
I like your idea of parts being cheaper and more easily gotten.But I believe
they feel there offerings would hurt them in the long run. (and perhaps in some
cases it could be true?) The funny things here is, I feel the Legacy owners
(Andy,Tracy...) Did a very good job and made a fairly good machine for the
price. but... Where do you draw the line? Most production equipment cost up to
10 time more than the cost of a Legacy.
I feel that Legacy as a company has switched it view of business. they have
stopped the entry level (home hobbyist) and are now looking for more production
scale. the CNC is a easer way to make there market more profitable for the
company. But sadly for those of us who jumped on the earlier product line, we
are now worried that ,Legacy swinging sword edge will cut even deeper and leave
us completely stranded.
Thank you for the convenience, I could make that Monster mill Right now,but I
don't mainly for the same reason I don't buy a CNC unit. I cant afford the
cost,time, and space it would take to make a Dream come true. But that's
today's view, Now perhaps tomorrow will be different?
This group has a lot of very talented people here. I know if I run into a
problem I can call for help and many of this groups people will help me out if
They can. We all have something in common, (besides the Legacy) THAT is a will
to build and make our dreams come true. I wish Legacy could help us. but that's
not what they do. Its us,(the Group) that must figure out all the how's and
ways to get the job done.
Have a good night. I have to go.
C.A.G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Daryl Scott
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Extruded rail material source
Hello Roger,
It's good to know the legacy's still interested in the manual market on both
the large and the small end. Yet, as I tell me friends on Wall Street, in the
long run the market may correct itself, but God has put me on earth only for
the short run, and He expects me to tend to my family and prepare my kids to do
the same for theirs.
There are a lot of woodworkers who are trying to turn legs with ancient
versions of the craftsmen/trend router lathe, and some are buying them for as
much as $200 on ebay. On the other hand, I have seen Legacy 900s go on and off
of ebay for less than $600. I would suspect that the market would bear a
Revo-class machine that could retail for between $300 and $400.
Now I suspect that the profit margin on that machine was not enough to make
it worth Legacy's while. I understand that, and I am not an advocate of
working for free. Not a good business model. But if Legacy were to sell the
carriage assembly and rails as parts, someone like Tim or Bill could put
together a Kit Plan based on legacy parts that are used for the 900s and 1200s.
Someone like C.A.G. could make the monster he dreams about. And all of this
would redound to the benefit of Legacy who would be supplying the parts and
thereby dropping the cost of their own manual machines.
Believe me, I'm not critic of Legacy. I own both a manual and a cnc and
would buy both again! I'm simply suggesting that they spur growth in the
manual market by allowing their entry level base of users to grow. To do this,
they don't need to create a new product, they only need to taking advantage of
the ingenuity of some of their long-standing users.
Begat
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:56 AM, ITwoodwork <rhp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi guys
Let me just correct one small item, Legacy are not out of the large or
small ornamental mill market. They have had to do what any sane
business person would do in a business down turn, they have looked at
their market and consolidated the product range. The fact is
consumers are not spending their money, or put another way the
hobbyists wifes have taken control of the purse strings. So Legacy are
putting the effort into CNC but when the consumer market returns they
will have offerings but in the meantime you can still order Model
900s, they just are not available off the shelf.
The UK market needs the Model 900 and even the REVO but I have to make
do just selling Model 900s and second hand models but believe me Andy
has not given up on manual machines. He and I talk about the manual
way forward at least once a week, if not more.
So here is a little job for you, tell me what the specification AND
REALISTIC price should be for an entry level machine!
Regards
Roger
On Dec 5, 11:24 am, begatbrown <darylmichaelsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Other than needing to acquire a longer lead screw, what is there
> preventing someone from using two 900s to make a 8 foot system? I
> believe the carriage would still be able to ride through from one
> frame to the other. Clearly one would have to place both systems on a
> common platform and perhaps connect them to make sure the two stable.
>
> I have few mechanical skills, but to me seems away around looker for
> longer extrusions. I also think the cost of the alum rails are
> roughly $25 a foot thru legacy. If that's true four 9ft rails would
> cost approx $900. That's a lot if you don't mean use the system to
> make money, but not much of an investment if you mean to make columns
> for the market.
>
> Moreover, since Legacy decided to withdraw from both the small and the
> large ornamental mill market, they have left the door open for
> innovation.
>
> Begat
>
> On Dec 5, 4:04 am, "curt george" <curtgeo...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello everyone
> > Shoot Tim I was going to tell everyone about Dependable...
> > Finding the Acme screw is not hard, but over 8' the screw starts
becoming to flexible and will need some sort of bridge to hold the screw from
bending.
> > Now the Alum. I still have not found a source.But I know it has to be
out there!
> > Making a LARGE Legacy type of machine has been a dream of mine for
years. (Dreams are for chasing, not catching,its the Drive that keeps you
going.) :-) I have no idea on if I will ever be able to make my machine, but it
hasn't stopped me for trying to find the sources to get the materials to make
the Dream come true.
> > The 8/20 system is close to the Alum rail, its not the same, but its
easy to find and buy.(http://8020.net/)
>
> > Just my two cents worth of it today.
> > I have to get to work now.
> > have a great day all.
>
> > C.A.G.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim Krause
> > To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Extruded rail material source
>
> > http://dependableacme.com/class.htm#screwisone source of 5/8-4tpi acme
thread in long lengths. I don't know if they do international shipping or not.
>
> > -Tim
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Bulkeley
> > To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Extruded rail material source
>
> > interesting, I am very interested in the longer acme thread is it
1/4 pitch 4TPI like the legacy one? please can you give me the web sight of that
>
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: carstenstig...@verizon.net
> > To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Extruded rail material source
>
> > Bill, If memory serves me right the tekno slot will take a 3/4
wide 1/4 thick piece of bar stock which we used to drill out to either 1/4-20
or 5/16-18 for standard bolts. I do believe that when you download the modutek
catalogue is shows the bolt head also sliding in the slot. I have been moving 8
or so 10 foot pieces of the one slot stuff for years and plan on making the
panel saw from some plans I have and also looking into longer acme screw
material for a longer machine that is about 2 feet longer than the 900 I use
now. I have been looking into making a rail extension that will just bolt up. I
am looking at moving the carriage onto rollers and making an arm tht bolts to
the lead screw bracket that would continue the drive for a longer distance down
the rail. Nothing further in planning than the drawing board at this time.
>
> > As a note I am working on a few custom candle holders that are
about 4 feet high with a hollow spiral in them made from some 4" stock I came
into. Pics to follow soon if I can get them finished before the new year.
>
> > In His Service
>
> > Carl Stigers
>
> > WWW.treetothee.com
>
> > On 12/04/11, Bill Bulkeley<bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > thank you Carl when you say similar did they have anything with
the wide groove in it the same that is in the legacy rails that's the hard one
to find the wide groove
>
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: carsten stigers
> > To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:51 PM
> > Subject: Extruded rail material source
>
> > Greetings everyone. If one is looking for extruded aluminum to
make rails go tohttp://www.tekno.com/html/downloads_.html. I used to work at a
conveyor company and we used very similiar extrusion. As far as the nuts and
bolts you can get those a lot cheaper from a local supplier like Fastenal. the
plans from one of the mags for a panel saw used this stuff.
>
> > Carl Stigers
>
> > > yes it does look like a little bit of legacy rail in there I
wonder if he
> > > got it from legacy if not id love to know were wouldn't it be
great to be
> > > able to buy rail for our mills elsewhere
>
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