On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:26:30 PST, shadow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 30-Nov-04, Travis Pahl wrote: > > r>> But in order for them to spend less, they have to vote for lower > r>> authorizations. By the time it gets to a vote on raising the debt limit, > r>> that opportunity has passed; it's all-or-nothing by then. > > TP> You are claiming the republican congress not had plenty of > TP> oppurtunities to pass lower authorizations? > > Finally you approach the problem, albeit from the side door. The time to > bitch is when Congress passes the budget and the Prez signs it. > > It's like you pawning your watch to make your credit card payment -- that's > NOT the time for your buds to say, "Dude, you shouldn't do this!" The proper > time was when you were charging that big-screen TV on your Visa card.
I am not sure how this is relevant. What I am saying is that in order to help some reduce their spending themselves in debt, you have to stop them from calling up the credit card company and asking for a increase in their limit. Will it solve the problem by itself? No. But it will help. The other side of it is that they need to stop spending. The problem is the republicans are a shopoholics and like most addicts, refuse to admit they have a problem and even worse, they blame it on their freinds the Democrats. When I point out that the republicans just called for another increase to their credit limit to pay for yet another shopping spree, roberts response is "the demcorats only voted against it to be different." it is like listening to little kids squablle over stupid things ignoring the real problem at hand. It does not matter what the democrats did, they have no longer in position to even be blamed for the republicans problems yet still they are blamed by Robert and other republicans. > TP>>> Republicans are irresponsible. They spend money they do not have > TP>>> (debt) and expect tax payers to pay in interest later all the while > TP>>> pretending they are for smaller government byu slightly lowering our > TP>>> income tax. > > r>> And I'm sure you think Democrats and most independents are irresponsible > r>> too. Which leaves as responsible only some tiny fraction of the > r>> population. > > TP> ACtually i think most of the population is responsible.... > > Did you see the red/blue map broken down by counties? That does not really show anything important. First of all it shows land mass rather than population, and it shows an all or nothing when in fact many counties are 50/50+1. And lastly, it just shows who people voted for between two nearly identical candidates that most voters thought were the only real choice. It does not show however what people thought about increased spending. And in that regards most people i beleive do want a more controlled limited spending from the feds. > r>> And the news media have enormous influence on how representatives and > r>> their issues are portrayed. In effect the media move the voters, and > r>> the voters move gov't. > > TP> And there is plenty of media that calls for smaller spending bills. > TP> in fact this media is the same media that most republicans love to > TP> listen to. But the republicans contnue to increase spending anyhow. > > Good grief, what media are you watching/reading?!? It sure can't be the > broadcast networks. Especially during an election year, their news broadcasts > and "magazines" are full of stories of honest Americans hurt by cuts in > government spending. Most republicans love fox news and talk radio. Watch and listen to them and you will hear/see people asking for smaller government all the time. > TP> Who cares. The media try to influence people, but the people voted for > TP> republicans which you are claiming is a vote for smaller government. > TP> The politicians should respond to the people, not the media. > > Politicians respond to polls. Polls are driven by the media. Period. Polls are representations of voters views. _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
