drew Roberts pisze: > 2009/11/21 Maciej Łoziński <[email protected]>: >> Gordon Haverland pisze: >>> On November 20, 2009, drew Roberts wrote: >>> I think it would be useful to know whether the scrobbling is >>> coming from a hand ordered list, from some music player's idea of >>> random, or from some external source. Supposedly a hand compiled >>> list what not see the user skipping to the end of a song. For >>> using some music player's definition of random, you might find >>> users more often skipping to the end of song. In listening to an >>> external source, the only thing which comes to mind is the >>> Love/Hate tags which Last.fm uses (or used to use). >>> >>> Do any music players give information on music sources? How many >>> have Love/Hate options? >>> >> Doesn't the playing order is enough information in each case? User-made >> playlists are of course the best source of data, but in case of lists >> randomly generated by player, user usually skips song he doesn't like, > > No. This cannot be relied on. I often start listening and jump in the > shower of begin some other activity that precludes me from doing > anything to alter the playing in any way from that point for a good > while. >
But it's still *your* collection of music, which means that there are some things that will never be played, and I suppose some things (genres, artists) will be played more often than the other, because you have more of them in your collection. Moreover, I personally rarely play randomly my entire collection, more often it's randomizing music from some folder, or of some genre/artist. I think we shouldn't lose these data, maybe just take it as less important. If there are some corelations, statistics will find them, but if there aren't any, I think we don't lose anything. And maybe we can provide a way to disable scrobbling, when somebody doesn't want his random data to be recorded. Some button in a profile page maybe. Some players allow disabling scrobbling, but some don't. It would be useful for them, I think. > >> and playlists from external source (internet radio) are generated by >> some person (dj?) using some rules, > > Perhaps, perhaps not. It could have been generated as a part of a > clock in a scheduling program. > Still, they're generated from some set of songs, radio's collection of music, which is compilated by someone. How many radio stations you know that mixes *all* types of music? Classical + rock + techno + country + jazz + alternative + ....? I know none. >> But not every player has that information >> and it's not a part of last.fm API (which libre.fm implements). >> Love/hate would be great. I think we can use it if player supports it. >> And when we do, more players will support it :-) >> > So, add the ability to deal with this info if it exists and then hope > to encourage the supplying of it where it does not currently exist? > Sounds reasonable, any possible problems with it? > As it comes to supplying an information about source of playlist, I'm not sure if we can modify last.fm API. This would be useful, but then two versions of API are then created (last.fm and libre.fm), and players/scrobblers have to be modified. I think love/hate button should be already in last.fm API, so there shouldn't be any problems. cheers Maciek _______________________________________________ Libre-fm mailing list [email protected] http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/libre-fm
