2009/11/22 Maciej Łoziński <[email protected]>: > drew Roberts pisze: >> 2009/11/21 Maciej Łoziński <[email protected]>: >>> Gordon Haverland pisze: >>>> On November 20, 2009, drew Roberts wrote: >>>> I think it would be useful to know whether the scrobbling is >>>> coming from a hand ordered list, from some music player's idea of >>>> random, or from some external source. Supposedly a hand compiled >>>> list what not see the user skipping to the end of a song. For >>>> using some music player's definition of random, you might find >>>> users more often skipping to the end of song. In listening to an >>>> external source, the only thing which comes to mind is the >>>> Love/Hate tags which Last.fm uses (or used to use). >>>> >>>> Do any music players give information on music sources? How many >>>> have Love/Hate options? >>>> >>> Doesn't the playing order is enough information in each case? User-made >>> playlists are of course the best source of data, but in case of lists >>> randomly generated by player, user usually skips song he doesn't like, >> >> No. This cannot be relied on. I often start listening and jump in the >> shower of begin some other activity that precludes me from doing >> anything to alter the playing in any way from that point for a good >> while. >> > > But it's still *your* collection of music, which means that there are > some things that will never be played, and I suppose some things > (genres, artists) will be played more often than the other, because you > have more of them in your collection. Moreover, I personally rarely play > randomly my entire collection, more often it's randomizing music from > some folder, or of some genre/artist. I think we shouldn't lose these > data, maybe just take it as less important. If there are some > corelations, statistics will find them, but if there aren't any, I think > we don't lose anything.
No argument there. I think it is just that we should not draw overly strong conclusions. > > And maybe we can provide a way to disable scrobbling, when somebody > doesn't want his random data to be recorded. Some button in a profile > page maybe. Some players allow disabling scrobbling, but some don't. It > would be useful for them, I think. Sounds reasonable on the face of it, just perhaps "dangerous" if people forget to re-enable. Any ideas on ways to remind them that it is disabled? Right now, I have one player for scrobbling and all the rest don't. > >> >>> and playlists from external source (internet radio) are generated by >>> some person (dj?) using some rules, >> >> Perhaps, perhaps not. It could have been generated as a part of a >> clock in a scheduling program. >> > > Still, they're generated from some set of songs, radio's collection of > music, which is compilated by someone. How many radio stations you know > that mixes *all* types of music? Classical + rock + techno + country + > jazz + alternative + ....? I know none. Correct. > >>> But not every player has that information >>> and it's not a part of last.fm API (which libre.fm implements). >>> Love/hate would be great. I think we can use it if player supports it. >>> And when we do, more players will support it :-) >>> >> So, add the ability to deal with this info if it exists and then hope >> to encourage the supplying of it where it does not currently exist? >> Sounds reasonable, any possible problems with it? >> > > As it comes to supplying an information about source of playlist, I'm > not sure if we can modify last.fm API. This would be useful, but then > two versions of API are then created (last.fm and libre.fm), and > players/scrobblers have to be modified. I think love/hate button should > be already in last.fm API, so there shouldn't be any problems. There may be a way to do it now. But hopefully, at some point in the future, libre.fm (or what ot morphs into) will be st standard maker or even better, a Free standard will be developed in an open process. > > > cheers > Maciek all the best, drew -- Join the FreeMusicPush http://freemusicpush.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Libre-fm mailing list [email protected] http://lists.autonomo.us/mailman/listinfo/libre-fm
