That might be quite hard for some seniors and those with mobility issues. Imagine an 80 year old, using a walker, walking to and waiting at a collection point/ bus stop, in rain, sleet or snow. Such a system might keep many housebound.
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 27, 2022, at 1:54 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel <owenjoa...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Not go to each individual household- shuttle stops similar to school bus > stops > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022, 2:36 AM, Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Can we first understand the needs of seniors. > What activities exist, what can/should be added? > I would urge all to spend at least 1/2 day at Bemis to better understand what > is currently going on. > Activities and appointments are happening there the entire day that the front > door is open. > Look at the COA newsletter. > It appears in EVERY Lincoln mailbox, monthly. > > Many of these ideas are very interesting and deserve further exploration. > I am not sure that we can have a private tai service/shuttle bus to go to > each individual household that needs transport. > But, maybe that’s feasible. > > But, before we explore further, , let us understand what are our needs and > where do places exist that might serve them. > > Sara Mattes > 71 Conant > (Per Lynne Smith’s request that we attach name and address to each post) > > > > ------ > Sara Mattes > > > > >> On Oct 26, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln >> <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >> >> $200k sounds roughly accurate. >> >> I personally like the idea of a town shuttle that would perhaps make the >> “rounds” 3-4 times a day on a schedule to Donelean’s, Bemis, Town Hall, the >> School/pods, the library, etc… >> >> Then activities for seniors would start being planned around the shuttle >> schedule.. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:30 PM, Lynne Smith <ly...@smith.net> wrote: >> >> Can someone estimate the cost of a full time driver (9-5) and an all- >> electric car or shuttle bus? eg., Salary plus benefits: $100k; ev shuttle: >> $100k. So $200K total? Or we could use Uber vouchers as some senior living >> facilities do. >> >> Just another way of solving parking and driving problems. >> >> Lynne Smith >> 5 Tabor Hill Road >> Lincoln, MA 01773 >> 781-258-1175 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 26 Oct 2022, at 7:02 p.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln >>> <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >>> >>> Well said! >>> >>> And for significantly less money we can invest in a contract for a shuttle >>> bus to provide transportation to all of these locations:) >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 6:53 PM, Karla Gravis >>> <karlagra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion. >>> >>> Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating one >>> pod, the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is simply no >>> need to renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact underutilized. >>> My understanding is that they are used for the following activities: >>> LEAP. >>> Summer Camp. >>> Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast majority). >>> A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours. >>> As and office for all three (3) PRD employees. >>> #1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with school >>> hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a >>> perfectly fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and >>> could be done either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4 >>> uncovered. An entire pod is probably much more space than we actually need >>> for #4, so the $1.6MM figure is probably an overstatement. >>> >>> I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's >>> eloquent pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the >>> existing resources? >>> >>> As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build Community >>> Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational commingling, which >>> to be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very expensive empty rooms >>> is not one of them. Intergenerational commingling happens when there is a >>> common purpose that brings everyone together, not as a result of a new >>> building. We already have facilities where those activities can be done if >>> people are willing to organize them. If people want to host a book club, >>> they can use the library with the help of our amazing librarians, if they >>> want to play sports, they can use Reed Gym, if they want to put on a play >>> or have a town debate they can use the Donaldson Auditorium. >>> >>> Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region. >>> Elevated property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the >>> town approved the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind >>> when we are talking about a project that would increase property taxes >>> thousands of dollars a year. >>> >>> >>> From: Andy Wang <andyrw...@gmail.com> >>> Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center >>> To: Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com> >>> Cc: Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>> >>> >>> Seth, >>> >>> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the >>> Spring (reference here), the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the >>> CCPPDC report was originally estimated at $3-3.9 Million. Updated in 2021 >>> to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at >>> $4.5-6.1 M. Which is more like 20-26% on the low end. >>> >>> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA. As >>> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior >>> Center'. So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a >>> conflation, others may not. It may be an opportunity to use what I think >>> are two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more >>> use. At the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has >>> shown to have a positive effect on all involved. There may be other >>> intangible benefits for a Community Center, you can't look at everything >>> from a financial side only (though, you can't ignore it either). >>> >>> In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are >>> not ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access, >>> parking, physical layout of the spaces. Pierce House is historic and I >>> doubt a large renovation would fly there. Bemis lacks parking and it >>> doesn't appear like there is much room for expansion. The pods really do >>> need a renovation, if you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious. >>> >>> I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put >>> my little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things >>> you would love to have in a building. There is a financial reality that >>> wasn't really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not >>> concretely). So, in general, I am in support of a combined community >>> center to house CoA and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale, >>> I'm undecided. >>> >>> I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though. The vote at the >>> end of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to >>> provide detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals. The 'Infill of >>> Pods' and the "Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3 >>> - $25.4M (2025 Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively. I'm sure lots of >>> folks may prefer one or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from >>> a financial standpoint, they are about the same cost. Both are lovely >>> buildings, but my concern is that neither may pass the larger town vote. I >>> would have rather seen two separate proposals for a community center, one >>> at the $12M range and one at the $24M range. Actual cost just as an >>> example. >>> >>> It's clear the next steps that happen if the vote passes. What happens if >>> the vote fails to pass? Does that remove the possibility of having a >>> community center or does that just put things back to the committee to come >>> back again? From my perspective, I'd much prefer a community center on a >>> smaller scale, but also, I'd rather have one at the current proposal and be >>> forced to pay, than not have one. I'm just not sure which way to vote in >>> that case. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 11:47 AM Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Since some posters have mentioned it, we thought it would be helpful to >>> zero into how the Pods factor into the Community Center project and what we >>> think is the most rational path for the activities there. >>> >>> Neither of the existing currently proposed designs contemplates a new home >>> for LEAP, although I do agree with Diana that there are definitely capital >>> needs there. >>> >>> There are three pods. In both designs POD B would be LIGHTLY renovated and >>> stay as a standalone facility to host LEAP. In one of the designs the two >>> other pods would be torn down and in the other design they would be >>> incorporated into the Community Center. >>> >>> The cost of renovating the LEAP pod was estimated at $1.125MM in 2018, >>> using the same cost inflator used for the overall project, the updated cost >>> would be approximately $1.6MM, which corresponds to 6% of the total >>> Community Center project cost. >>> >>> We argue that the town has other public space to host the activities hosted >>> in the Pods today, if at some point in the future they are not deemed >>> further usable. LEAP as well as all of the after-hours Parks and Rec >>> school-age-activities, which represent the vast majority of the program's >>> indoor offerings, could easily be hosted in what is otherwise a brand-new >>> empty school. There is already a precedent of a Parks & Recreation >>> activity, namely IMLEM, using the school, specifically the 8th grade hub, >>> to conduct its activities. We are sure other adult activities could also >>> find accomodation. Adult basketball for example is already hosted at Reed >>> Gym. >>> >>> As it relates to Parks and Rec Department (PRD), there is no urgency in >>> finding the Department a new home. Once that happens, as anyone who has >>> stepped foot into that office can attest, they only need a small fraction >>> of their current space to house three employees. We are certain either the >>> school or the 15,000 sqft Town offices could find space for them. >>> >>> Let us not conflate a discussion about the future of PRD and LEAP, which >>> can be easily fixed at no incremental or a small cost, with a $25MM project >>> with no other apparent incremental goal other than hosting COA. >>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 9:15 AM, DJCP <djcp0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the >>>> Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging >>>> around after school and the Pods are in tough shape. Much like the school >>>> building was before the renovation. I am sensitive to costs, but >>>> significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future. Costs >>>> are only going to go up if we put the project off. And I like the idea of >>>> rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to >>>> have the communities intersect more. (The Girl Scouts in particular >>>> already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand >>>> that.) Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community, >>>> but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. >>>> >>>> Diana >>>> Giles Rd >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes <louiszi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this >>>>> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost >>>>> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not >>>>> factor into the overall cost and design we are seeing. >>>>> >>>>> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to >>>>> go back and watch them to be better educated. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln >>>>> <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >>>>> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79? >>>>> >>>>> I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for >>>>> our older population. >>>>> >>>>> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. >>>>> >>>>> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for >>>>> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has >>>>> fantastic health & fitness facilities. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede >>>>> <maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord. Full access for >>>>> $199/year if over 80. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln >>>>> <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >>>>> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be >>>>> granted certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness >>>>> facilities at Hanscom? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes >>>>> <elainehaw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s >>>>> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class >>>>> of 1971)and have a number of concerns. Although I don’t yet use the >>>>> senior senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not >>>>> sure how many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there >>>>> is a greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to >>>>> continue to pay them if a community center is built. >>>>> >>>>> “If you build it they will come” >>>>> (https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, >>>>> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of >>>>> classes and meetings on Zoom? >>>>> >>>>> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that >>>>> from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town >>>>> for programs. >>>>> >>>>> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space >>>>> in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it >>>>> cost to heat this big building? >>>>> >>>>> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center >>>>> was first discussed. I would rather the town spend its money on mixed >>>>> income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older >>>>> homebound adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid >>>>> for by the town. This would be a good use of money for seniors. >>>>> >>>>> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the >>>>> same time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory >>>>> apartments and backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their >>>>> higher taxes, and stay in their large homes while benefiting non-high >>>>> income folks looking for Lincoln housing. >>>>> >>>>> Elaine >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >
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