Linux-Advocacy Digest #985, Volume #25 Thu, 6 Apr 00 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Bob
Hauck)
Re: Sorry Microsoft, Facts Mean More Than Money On The Net (was: benchmark for speed
in linux / windows (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Michael Sims)
Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES (or
MDI for that matter) (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty ("Tim Haynes")
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ("Leonard F. Agius")
Re: Penfield Jackson bitch-slaps Bill Gates (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?=)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ("Keith T. Williams")
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451641.352^-.00000000000004 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: linux ISP in the UK ("Martin Linklater")
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Christopher Browne)
Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped (Michael Perry)
Re: lnux from 320 to 56
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:14:26 GMT
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:26:08 GMT, fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The particular wheel that CK needs is a clone or port of Cricket Graph.
>Where can he find it?
What's Cricket Graph? My news server doesn't seem to be able to find the
original post...
Gnuplot can plot data sets easily enough, if that's what he needs. It
probably isn't a "clone" of anything though.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.bobh.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: Re: Sorry Microsoft, Facts Mean More Than Money On The Net (was: benchmark
for speed in linux / windows
Date: 6 Apr 2000 12:15:00 GMT
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In article <ESLG4.12386$Q5.42985@stones>,
Robert Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mark S. Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}}Robert Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}}>Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}}>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
}}>>>Windows [find] wins by a large margin, searching a similar number
}}>>>of files.
}}>>
}}>>I would wager that typically windows "find" is sifting through a
}}>>LOT LESS than linux is. If you are just looking for a filname
}}>>and specify something like "/" or even "/usr" linux find is
}}>>probably looking through a GB of files, even more, perhaps >2GB
}}>>if you installed one of the modern wiz bang distros and installed
}}>>everything.
>>>So Linux is so bloated that it's search is slow despite being super
>>>efficent?
>>
>>Any person who is even slightly familiar with Linux distri-
>>butions knows that the 2GB of files referred to by Tim Kelley
>>mostly comprise about *2,000 application programs* that are
>>included at almost no cost with the Linux operating system.
>>
>>Robert Moir has been posting Microsoft propaganda to this
>>newsgroup for months, so he certainly knows this.
>
>Really? And all this time I thought I was merely sharing my opinons like
>most people on Usenet. Damn.
One of Moir's previous posts made a big impression on me
(abraxas is commenting about an hours-long delay on a major
website that uses Microsoft Windows NT):
]From: "Robert Moir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
]Subject: Re: Windows 2000: download bog
]Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:05:00 -0000
]Message-ID: <2FVA4.1229$Dd2.77488@stones>
]
]Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
]>"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
]>>I have *never* seen this kind of effect on a Sun Sparc/Solaris
]>>based high volume email system. Ever.
]>
]>Not that kind of blatant ignorance deserves any type of reply, but
]>the "download-queue" is not anything to do with Windows2000.
]>...
]>C'mon guys... even this is beneath you.
]
]I suspect it's actually above them. After all, the Solaris
]systems they admin in their bedroom and college dorms do not
]exactly need bandwith throttling to deal with both connections
]when they are operating at peak MP3 leeching capacity.
Moir's comment (in support of Chad Myers, one of the most
vicious and persistent pro-Microsoft liars that post here)
is so inappropriately nasty that it clearly demonstrates
a willingness to make dishonest attacks on behalf of Micro-
soft, in support of its smear campaign against Unix and
Linux. This is not "mere" sharing of well-meaning opinions.
>>Therefore, his false characterization of those files as
>>"bloat" is a knowing and intentional *lie* on behalf of
>>Microsoft, which he hopes will be believed by people who are
>>thinking about trying Linux, and will mislead them into not
>>doing so.
>
>Actually, it was a lighthearted dig at the person I was replying to. Nothing
>more nothing less. Take it as you wish though as I know that until
>mindreading is possibile I can't prove it, and I know that even being
>confronted with proof you are wrong changes the tireless drone drone drone
>of your paranoid rantings.
Here we have the defense that Rush Limbaugh has built a
career on. He claims not to be a vicious Right-wing bigot
attacking gays, blacks, women, etc., year after year over
a thousand radio stations; no, by virtue of throwing in a
few chuckles from time to time, he says he's just an inno-
cent *comedian*, who's hurt and bewildered when people talk
about all the harm he's doing. They just don't have any
sense of humor, he complains.
>>Organizations like Microsoft are used to telling their lies
>>without opposition in the print and broadcast media that
>>their immense wealth controls. So it must be really annoying
>>to them that on the Internet, and especially Usenet, their
>>lies are totally and embarrassingly refuted with facts by
>>people who only need enough money to pay $20 a month for a
>>connection.
>
>So why are you getting so annoyed by a harmless Englishman who pays £10
>(about $16 US) per month to post his opinion?
I'm not annoyed. I'm just calling 'em as I see 'em.
The way it works is, everybody can post here, and everybody
else can comment about what they've posted. People can
read both sides, and figure out who's lying and who's
telling the truth.
>Could it be that I am not
>allowed one in your world because it is not yet approved by the GNU central
>politics division?
Mr. Moir is allowed to have all the opinions he wants in
favor of an ultra-wealthy corporation that is trying to
control and rip off everyone who wants to use a computer.
But when he voices those opinions, other people have the
ability to explain exactly what he's doing, and whom he's
serving.
>Why do I scare you so? Why do the others on your list? I
>see I made the list now, btw, Thankyou.
None of them scare me. It's just that when I see the wealthy
and powerful few attacking the rest of the population, in
order to be able to go on controlling and gouging us -- which
is what Microsoft's attack on Open Source is about -- then I,
like many others, am moved to talk to people about it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 6 Apr 2000 20:18:54 +0800
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:55:19 GMT,
Leonard F. Agius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>And you're typical of the technogeek/computer nerd types that the majority of
>people just don't like.
Ahh Leonard apart from being a MsWindows visionary, knows the majority
of people in the world, personally !
I'm impressed.
>
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>
>The opinions expressed are my own.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sims)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:21:23 GMT
On 05 Apr 2000 21:43:07 -0700, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gnus, my present reader, is so much faster and so much more efficient
>and so much more configurable -- there's no contest. It works the way
>I want it to.
>
>I think what I most dislike about GUI readers is the amount of screen
>space wasted with buttons and bars. I actually like to see more than
>10 lines of a message at a time. But, I also dislike the time wasted
>by pointing and clicking, too.
Fair enough. I'm not going to argue the efficiency of a GUI
vs. CLI, which basically boils down to personal preference. I've used
both (I'm not a Linux guru by any means, but computer hobby started
during the DOS days, before Win 3.1 really started getting popular)
and I think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. As far
as the space waster with buttons, Agent has only one line of buttons,
and they are very small. You could argue that any at all are a
nuisance, but Agent's are about as unobtrusive as Windows apps get.
As far as Gnus being faster, that's possible, I haven't used
it, but I suspect a lot of that comes down to your perception of
things. What Agent does is a fairly non-intensive thing most of the
time, and I can't ever recall waiting on it. Of course, I have cable
modem, so when I download new headers for my groups it normally takes
less than one second. If we were talking about database applications
and that sort of thing, then maybe an argument for speed would make
more sense than it does here. Efficiency boils down to how you use
it, and I guarantee that I could be twice as efficient with Agent that
I could with Gnus, but again I suppose it's what you're used to.
As far as configurability, I can't imagine what Gnus provides
that Agent doesn't. Everything about Agent is configurable, from the
display, to how navigation is handled, to how groups and threads are
arranged, etc. And it has one of the most intuitive and configurable
filters that I have ever seen. You can base your filters off complex
boolean expressions, and even give them priorities. In other words, I
could automatically configure Agent to download any message that
contained the phrase "Windows 2000", unless the subject also included
the word "sucks", or have it simply mark it for retrieval if it's over
a certain size. This makes following high traffic groups a lot
easier. If I am following a group that gets up to 1000 new headers a
day, I can simply set up certain filters to d/l the messages I want
and discard the rest, and I don't even have to wade through all the
headers by hand. Of course, filters are not perfect, and you're bound
to lose something interesting with this method, but it's still about
as configurable as I can imagine a newsreader being.
Well, I really didn't mean for that to turn into a sales
pitch. :) I was just curious as to what sort of configurability
you're looking for that Free Agent didn't provide....
=====================================================================
Michael Sims
michaels at akamail dot com
"By eliminating covalence inhibitors, we create triple dense
carbohydrates, and thus the so called 'super doughnut'"
--Homer Simpson after getting a Pentium II cranial implant
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty
Date: 6 Apr 2000 12:23:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Indeed I would agree with you. However I would not suggest that someone
>> who does not agree with you, "clearly knows nothing about what "open"
>> [...] means".
>
> (Did I really say that?? (My news server here doesn't have enough of the
> thread. Bah!))
What you actually said was (cutting and pasting from the original
article - look it up on dejanews if you want a more precise referent.)
| Obviously you don't know what 'Open' as applied to 'Open Source' means
| in the first place, [..]
So while you didn't say those exact words, they certainly seemed to be
echoing the sentiment expressed in your original statement. HTH!
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES
(or MDI for that matter)
Date: 6 Apr 2000 12:25:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ "javac foo.java" always creates foo.class ]
> You can? In my even brief encounters with java, I know that there is not
> 100% correspondence between $f.java and $f.class; not to mention, nested
> classes!
This restriction is certainly enforced by the JDK javac; I've been
bitten by this in the past. :^(
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty
Date: 06 Apr 2000 13:37:33 +0100
Reply-To: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tim Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Indeed I would agree with you. However I would not suggest that someone
> >> who does not agree with you, "clearly knows nothing about what "open"
> >> [...] means".
> >
> > (Did I really say that?? (My news server here doesn't have enough of the
> > thread. Bah!))
>
> What you actually said was (cutting and pasting from the original
> article - look it up on dejanews if you want a more precise referent.)
>
> | Obviously you don't know what 'Open' as applied to 'Open Source' means
> | in the first place, [..]
>
> So while you didn't say those exact words, they certainly seemed to be
> echoing the sentiment expressed in your original statement. HTH!
D'oh, and there you were moaning about news servers. Just goes to show.
I want to go back to bed.... :(
~Tim
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From: "Leonard F. Agius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:57:56 GMT
You a regular laugh a minute. Not.
I have a basis to make my statements from, given that I've spent the last
seventeen years in sales and marketing.
What's your excuse?
Terry Porter wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:55:19 GMT,
> Leonard F. Agius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >And you're typical of the technogeek/computer nerd types that the majority of
> >people just don't like.
> Ahh Leonard apart from being a MsWindows visionary, knows the majority
> of people in the world, personally !
>
> I'm impressed.
>
> >
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> >
> >The opinions expressed are my own.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Penfield Jackson bitch-slaps Bill Gates
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:55:36 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
8cdbjm$eji$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> P.S. I note in passing that the Jan. 2000 issue of PC World,
> in describing Windows 98 bugs, listed one that would appear
> if your machine had been running 49.7 days: The machine
> would freeze up.
>
> PC World noted in a rather ascerbic manner that this wasn't
> much of a _real_ problem: If your machine managed to stay
> _up_ for 49 days, you should count your lucky stars.
>
> POS. . . .
And a compact cuty car can't haul as much freight as Mack truck. The compact
car sure do suck.
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: "Keith T. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:01:30 -0400
Jim Dabell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > >> Every computer with Linux pre-loaded should come with one. A
competant
> > >> Sysadmin that is......
> > >> But, fear not, there aren;t that many Linux pre-loads going out.
> > >> Try calling Dell and asking for one....After the silence at the end
of
> > >> the phone, ask for a supervisor.
> > >
> > >My point was, the average businessperson would have a sysadmin at work.
> > >The average nine-year-old would have parents.
The 9 year probably knows more about the computer than the parents do...
[snip]
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451641.352^-.00000000000004
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:11:33 -0400
Today's Tholen digest, in which Tholen tholened once again, is full of sound
and furry [!] but it still means nothing, to witless:
[0]
Thanks for reading!
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "Martin Linklater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux ISP in the UK
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:19:10 +0100
opoppon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for an ISP linux friendly in the UK. Any name ?
www.uklinux.net
..sorted..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:26:28 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Michael Sims would say:
>On 05 Apr 2000 21:43:07 -0700, Michael Powe
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Gnus, my present reader, is so much faster and so much more efficient
>>and so much more configurable -- there's no contest. It works the way
>>I want it to.
>>
>>I think what I most dislike about GUI readers is the amount of screen
>>space wasted with buttons and bars. I actually like to see more than
>>10 lines of a message at a time. But, I also dislike the time wasted
>>by pointing and clicking, too.
>
> Fair enough. I'm not going to argue the efficiency of a GUI
>vs. CLI, which basically boils down to personal preference. I've used
>both (I'm not a Linux guru by any means, but computer hobby started
>during the DOS days, before Win 3.1 really started getting popular)
>and I think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. As far
>as the space waster with buttons, Agent has only one line of buttons,
>and they are very small. You could argue that any at all are a
>nuisance, but Agent's are about as unobtrusive as Windows apps get.
>
> As far as Gnus being faster, that's possible, I haven't used
>it, but I suspect a lot of that comes down to your perception of
>things. What Agent does is a fairly non-intensive thing most of the
>time, and I can't ever recall waiting on it. Of course, I have cable
>modem, so when I download new headers for my groups it normally takes
>less than one second. If we were talking about database applications
>and that sort of thing, then maybe an argument for speed would make
>more sense than it does here. Efficiency boils down to how you use
>it, and I guarantee that I could be twice as efficient with Agent that
>I could with Gnus, but again I suppose it's what you're used to.
>
> As far as configurability, I can't imagine what Gnus provides
>that Agent doesn't. Everything about Agent is configurable, from the
>display, to how navigation is handled, to how groups and threads are
>arranged, etc. And it has one of the most intuitive and configurable
>filters that I have ever seen. You can base your filters off complex
>boolean expressions, and even give them priorities. In other words, I
>could automatically configure Agent to download any message that
>contained the phrase "Windows 2000", unless the subject also included
>the word "sucks", or have it simply mark it for retrieval if it's over
>a certain size. This makes following high traffic groups a lot
>easier. If I am following a group that gets up to 1000 new headers a
>day, I can simply set up certain filters to d/l the messages I want
>and discard the rest, and I don't even have to wade through all the
>headers by hand. Of course, filters are not perfect, and you're bound
>to lose something interesting with this method, but it's still about
>as configurable as I can imagine a newsreader being.
>
> Well, I really didn't mean for that to turn into a sales
>pitch. :) I was just curious as to what sort of configurability
>you're looking for that Free Agent didn't provide....
a) Can you configure Agent to simultaneously access news feeds from
multiple kinds of sources, including:
- NNTP
- News Spool
- I *believe* IMAP
- Mail folders, in several formats
I think that all in all there are a goodly dozen different ways that
GNUS can access news. Can Agent match that?
b) Can you configure Agent to have a virtual newsgroup, [Linus
Torvalds], that consists of all messages authored by a particular
individual on comp.os.linux.*?
c) Can you configure Agent so that messages similar to those that you
read wind up getting higher scores, those similar to those that you
respond to get *very* high scores, and those that you delete based
on subject/author info result in the subject/author/thread getting
deprecated?
d) Can you configure Agent to respond under a different persona
depending on which newsgroup (real or virtual) you are accessing?
e) Does Agent provide support for management of Moderated newsgroups?
This isn't important to everybody, but if you're a moderator for a
moderated newsgroup, it sure would be nice to have support for this
in your news client.
f) Does Agent support the NoCeM protocol?
g) Does Agent pass the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval tests?
--
"Of course 5 years from now that will be different, but 5 years from
now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M
SPARCstation-5." -- Andrew Tanenbaum, 1992.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:30:23 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:30:03 -0500, Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Douglas E. Mitton" wrote:
>
>> Yes, I agree with some things on your list ...
>>
>> - Windows users never have to deal with partitioning. That is one of
>> the toughest concepts the new Linux installer has to contend with.
>> Now, buy it pre-installed and its as easy as buying a computer with
>> Windows pre-installed! :-)
>>
>
>Partitioning is only necessary if you are installing Linux along side
>Windows. While there certainly are advantages to creating multiple
>partitions for a Linux install, the simplest thing is to just wipe the disk
>clean and install in one big partition. Of course simpler yet is buying a
>computer with Linux pre-installed.
>
>Gary
>
I have to respectfully disagree with this approach. I subscribe to the
model of multiple file systems at well-defined mount points. If you have it
all in in one partition and you toast the install, you are no better off
than the windows user who toasts his/her system. I think the simplest thing
to do is to consider the alternatives and make logical choices about
creating file systems/partitions which will make it easier to upgrade
hardware, move file systems around (that happens a lot, there is a howto on
it), and backing up the truly important stuff so that disaster does not
strike you down.
My approach is to create a /boot, a /, a /user, and a /home for each system
I do. I probably refdisk things a few times on a new debian system I am
using for a desktop until I feel that I have things right.
Buying Linux pre-installed is a good thing. It shows that OEMs are coming to
the Linux-fold. I think that installing Linux yourself with cd's in hand is
also a good thing. Learning about a system and its components and how things
work in the Linux world by experimentation is a great thing. I consider
Linux learning to be a subject in and of itself. The knowledge gained by a
few introspective moments cannot be taken away.
That said, as usual, YMMV.
--
Michael Perry, Technical Account Manager, Linuxcare, Inc.
415.354.4231 tel, 415.701.7457 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.linuxcare.com/
Linuxcare. Support for the revolution.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: lnux from 320 to 56
Date: 6 Apr 2000 14:09:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Francis Van Aeken wrote:
>JOGIBA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:uuC2kN3n$GA.235@cpmsnbbsa03...
>> Were is the money ?
>
>In the pockets of the people who had shares first and sold them
>to those that believed the hype. As usual, the small investor got
>burned. E$R can be proud.
I think that only stupid investors will purchase stock at a high, you seem
to ignore this, normaly you purchase at a low and sell when you think the
stock has peaked. Now at this moment it is a good time to buy stock and wait
six to 12 months to sell them.
Michael
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Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike,
Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/
B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/
Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976
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