Linux-Advocacy Digest #991, Volume #25 Thu, 6 Apr 00 20:13:27 EDT
Contents:
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Robert Heininger)
Re: Sorry Microsoft, Facts Mean More Than Money On The Net (was: benchmark for
speed in linux / windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows 2000 has "issues" (abraxas)
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading (josco)
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows (abraxas)
migration ns ldap to unix slapd ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux vs. Windows Benchmark ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading ("Chad Myers")
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux vs. Windows Benchmark ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows (David Steinberg)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:34:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> And takes a degree in Emacs speak to run.
say what? emacs responds to your arrow keys. emacs
responds to mouse. emacs has pull-down menus and scroll-bars. all of
this is enabled by default -- right out of the box.
if you can use windows notepad, you can use emacs.
you mentioned slrn. gnus works a lot like slrn because *slrn
keybinding are based on gnus*. you can look it up.
you, in no way, *have* to use the emacs complex keybindings.
does the *mere* *presense* of escape-meta-alt-control-shift
key terrify you to such a degree that you cannot continue?
perhaps you should seek help to fight this irrational phobia.
fortunately, emacs can provide! M-x doctor. ;-)
> No thanks.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:35:33 GMT, Johan Kullstam
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >> Example:
> >> Slrn. Does News, sort of. You need SlrnPull or Suck (great
> >> name) or LeafNode to pull to local NNTP.
> >> Doesn't do mail..Another program.
> >> No spell...Another program...
> >
> >example:
> >
> >gnus/emacs
> >
> >* does news *and* mail.
> >* has offline agent mode.
> >* works in linux and windows.
> >* handles attachments.
> >* good text editor already built-in.
> >
> >now i don't know about you, but every windows mail tool seems to come
> >with the *worst* text editor. i mean lamer than notepad. plus, there
> >is no escaping it and chosing your own editor.
>
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:46:01 GMT
I don't even bother.
I prefer to maintain what I call "My Linvocate Zoo"
Linvocate- Scientific name "Linvocatus Geekus"
XXXX is in cage #1 and provides endless amounts of delight and
enjoyment to the audience. But is very polite.
XXXX- Scientific name "Spewus Nothingus"
Cage #2 is currently occupied by XXX, a sub-species of Linvocatus
Geekus.
XXXXX- scientific name Double-Speakus -Confusia.
Hardly is number one on his A-List of words.
Cage #3 is currently occupied by XXXXXX, another sub-species of
Linvocatus-Geekus.
XXX - Scientific name " Intelligus-Searchus -Deja-Paranoidus...
That's it at the moment but I have several cages still open :)
I left out the names to protect the guilty.
Steve
On 6 Apr 2000 21:18:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree) wrote:
>Terry Porter allegedly wrote:
>>On 6 Apr 2000 04:21:54 GMT, Jeremy Crabtree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Welcome to the killfile...and, I'll even give you an expiration date...say,
>>>July...maybe by then, you'll be gone, or run out of FUD.
>>>
>>Yeah thats what I do, but I hope you'll excuse me if I don't reveal the expiry
>>term ;-)
>
>Usually I don't /give/ an expiration date at all. I prefer, instead, to
>just delete my scorefile and start over fresh every so often.
>
>>Heather will be gone soon, but the underlying WinTroll, will be here, using
>>another name. Heck, he probably is already.
>
>This is is the reason my scorefile usually returns.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heininger)
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:43:15 GMT
On 6 Apr 2000 16:49:03 GMT,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Mark S. Bilk' wrote:
>Both Chad Myers and Steve-Heather-etc. are famous
>for repeating the same lies about Linux over and over
>again, hundreds of times, in thousands of propaganda
>posts on behalf of Microsoft.
Hmmmmm, I just added the two ladies named above and one other loser to my kill
filter, and the noise level in this fine news group dropped significantly!
BTW, thanks for tips on the .sig, Mark. :-)
--
Robert Heininger __
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(o- # / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / #
//\ # /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ #
v_/_ # The Choice of the GNU Generation #
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sorry Microsoft, Facts Mean More Than Money On The Net (was: benchmark
for speed in linux / windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:02:33 GMT
It was a joke, but if you insist........
1, You don't know the name of said file? Great planning if you don't.
2. Windows Find allows, date, file type, modified before/after and so
forth. Linux has is ownership and that's a function of the file
system and you know damm well Windows has no such function, just like
Linux has a half assed SMP support and a yet untested filesystem
journaling support. How about some benchmarks?
3. I'm sure with the information above you could find it, if you
wanted to that is.
4. I wouldn't take your job for all the tea in Gerstner's pantry.
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:07:14 -0400, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:17:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I need to find the last executable file writen or modified by a particular
>> >user, after a particular date, how do I do this with windows find?
>>
>> Ask him where he stored it.
>> It will probably take less time than typing in the command needed to
>> do it without syntax errors.
>
>Yeh, right. It is 3:00 in the afternoon here in NY. The person who modified
>the file is in Germany and has gone home for the night. I don't have his home
>phone number and even if I did, he might get upset that I call him at home for
>such a trivial problem. Do I wait untill morning or spend the 2 seconds it
>takes to type a command? I guess you would wait until morning. Not me.
>You wouldn't last a day in my job.
>
>Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has "issues"
Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:05:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you know what - I say bullshit. Bullshit to you Bob. I think you are lying.
> I would really really like to know the names of two ISPs who are clients of
> yours who have over 50 IPs on a single NIC on a W2K domain controller which
> has ANY reason to have this many IPs. It makes no sense and I would really
> REALLY like to know the names of these two ISPs so that I can add them to
> your name in a list of really moronic stupid people who would bind more than
> 50 ips to a domain controller - how stupid.
If anything that you claim about yourself is true, you will understand perfectly
that if he isnt lying, there are very valid reasons for NOT telling you the
names of these ISPs. I could tell you something right now about a national ISP
that will mean its stock dropping by at LEAST 30 pts by monday, but it would
be unethical and illegal for me to do so.
> I simply do not believe you - cause I do not think two ISPs both would be so
> blindly stupid as to listen to someone as stupid as you tell them it was OK
> to put more than 50 ips on a domain controller. What kinda ISPs are these?
> Not the kind that I know of - are these public IPs? Are these ISPs hosting
> domains for external WANs over the internet? The scenarios do not make any
> sense.
Have you heard of remote-managed VPNs? Theyre actually fairly common, and I
can think of a few instances off the top of my head regarding these where the
above bug would be a serious issue.
=====yttrx
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From: josco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:08:06 -0700
-- joseph
On 6 Apr 2000, Kim A. Sommer wrote:
> SAS Institute announced last month that it would be porting the SAS system
> to Linux. And that's not because they are an open source bazaar type free
> loving community. It's because their customers demanded it. It also
> leverages smaller shops that couldn't afford the bigger iron and the
> overhead of the system service contracts. And FYI, SAS is probably the
> largest *privately* held software company around. THey'd be well within
> in the S&P500 if they were public.
SAS has also complained publically that MS is adding expensive features
into MS SQL for W2K. The complaint is that OS profits are financing R&D
into SQL features. IMHO There are also competitive reasons for SAS to try
to offer PC users an alternative to Windows.
Anyway, the suggestion that W2K has somehow scaled past LINUX as a
compute/server OS is plain nuts. MS has only released the dummy edition of
W2K for PCs, the enterise edition isn't ready and meanwhile the LINUX
kernel 2.4 is due this summer. LINUX/FreeBSD are very popular OSs for R&D
and as for compute clusters. I can get Oracle8i or IBM DB2 for LINUX for
less than HALF the cost of W2K.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:09:47 GMT
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then why not do this 'benchmark' on a Windows 2000 machine with the indexing
> service running. Find ANY file (or files or folders) in under a second every
> time, including text within most file types and based on dates, size,
> attributes, keywords, summary, copyrights, versions, whatever. A fully
> indexed file system... hows locate compare now?
cd /
find * | cat >> biglist
alias locate=grepinbig
(grepinbig)
grep -i $input /biglist | less
That was really...ummm...
Hard.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: migration ns ldap to unix slapd
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:57:06 GMT
Quesiton:
Right now I have a netscape directory server 4.1 (ldap) on a windows NT
Machine. I want to change this to unix/linux machine.
Is the best way to use a slapd server on a linux machine?
How can I save the data from the database and connect it to the new
server? Is it possible to change/migrate the db to a linux machine?
I would be very glad for an answer.
thanks
Mirco Bharpalania
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux vs. Windows Benchmark
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:55:59 GMT
Hi --
where can I find Linux vs. Windows benchmarks?
Specifically, I am looking to compare O/S and application
performance on the same Hardware platform.
Any hints appreciated.
Ulrich
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:12:12 GMT
I have had Windows programs that sucked (Corel Wordperfect Suite for
instance) and Windows programs that run fine, which includes just
about every one I own.
My experience with Linux programs is that compared to the Windows
counterparts, they typically suck big time. Crappy interfaces, arcane
help doc (try clicking help on kde stuff and see how many "will be
written soon" messages you get) and so forth.
Linux is like a half written, hacked together system of utilities and
general How-To's many of which need some serious updating. Even the
man pages in many instances post a message of non support.
This is a system trying to replace Windows on the desktop?
Doubtful as soon as folks get past the Linux buzzword and really try
it for themselves it will become a non-issue.
Steve
"Try Linux...Please try Linux....."
On 6 Apr 2000 21:19:49 GMT, Brian Langenberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: On 4 Apr 2000 09:01:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Name) wrote:
>
>: No. The Linux community hides behind .99 releases for years at a time
>: to frightened to commit to a version 1.0.
>: This way when the program sucks, and most Linux programs do suck, they
>: can claim "what do you expect it is still being developed".
>
>Is this the inverse of the Windows way of releasing new versions on a
>yearly basis? That way they can do away with version numbering
>altogether and give them years instead.
>This way when the program sucks, and most Windows programs do suck,
>they can claim "the bugs will be fixed in next year's version".
>Just remember to pay the ~$100 upgrade fee.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:16:31 -0500
"josco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> SAS has also complained publically that MS is adding expensive features
> into MS SQL for W2K. The complaint is that OS profits are financing R&D
> into SQL features. IMHO There are also competitive reasons for SAS to try
> to offer PC users an alternative to Windows.
Man, MS just can't do ANYTHING without it being wrong. Every company
in this world who has more than one product (or is a conglomerate) uses it's
success in one area to propell it's success in another. That's a completely
BS argument, and sounds almost like Netscape complaining when they, themselves
were just sitting there with a crappy browser and not innovating or improving
their product at all. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I forgot about the Shop button, that
was a major improvement.
> Anyway, the suggestion that W2K has somehow scaled past LINUX as a
> compute/server OS is plain nuts. MS has only released the dummy edition of
> W2K for PCs, the enterise edition isn't ready
However, what they currently have out has set world records. Where's Linux?
Win2K hasn't scaled PAST linux, because Linux hasn't proved it can scale at all.
Where are the TPC numbers?
> and meanwhile the LINUX kernel 2.4 is due this summer.
*yawn* maybe then it'll be more than laughable. If I were petty like you guys,
the Penguinistas, I would berrate you for extolling the virtues of an unreleased
product like you did against us for Win2K. However, Win2K is out, it's the best,
and it's proven itself time and time again. It only gets better while the Linux
team tries to figure out how to get simple SMP working without a.) crashing the
system or b.) usually ending up using only one processor.
Give me a break. You're so full of it...
> LINUX/FreeBSD are very popular OSs for R&D
> and as for compute clusters.
So? How does that make it better overall than Windows2000 or faster, or more
scalable?
> I can get Oracle8i or IBM DB2 for LINUX for
> less than HALF the cost of W2K.
But you'd get 1/2 or 1/8th the performance, so what? I can get a word processor
for Linux for free too, but it sucks. Windows2000 has proven itself on several
occasions and has set many records.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:19:45 GMT
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:34:05 GMT, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> And takes a degree in Emacs speak to run.
>
>say what? emacs responds to your arrow keys. emacs
>responds to mouse. emacs has pull-down menus and scroll-bars. all of
>this is enabled by default -- right out of the box.
As a programmers editor Emacs is fine. To suggest it as a
Newsreader/mail client for a newbie is idiotic.
>if you can use windows notepad, you can use emacs.
You can't use Notepad as a newsreader as far as I know :)
>you mentioned slrn. gnus works a lot like slrn because *slrn
>keybinding are based on gnus*. you can look it up.
Why bother? The home user can have Outlook or Netscape or Agent up and
running long before he figures out Emacs, for new and Mail that is.
>you, in no way, *have* to use the emacs complex keybindings.
>does the *mere* *presense* of escape-meta-alt-control-shift
>key terrify you to such a degree that you cannot continue?
No I prefer to read News/mail and not play around with it on a bit by
bit basis.
>perhaps you should seek help to fight this irrational phobia.
>fortunately, emacs can provide! M-x doctor. ;-)
Yikes! Another pill.. I take so many already :)
>> No thanks.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:35:33 GMT, Johan Kullstam
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> >
>> >> Example:
>> >> Slrn. Does News, sort of. You need SlrnPull or Suck (great
>> >> name) or LeafNode to pull to local NNTP.
>> >> Doesn't do mail..Another program.
>> >> No spell...Another program...
>> >
>> >example:
>> >
>> >gnus/emacs
>> >
>> >* does news *and* mail.
>> >* has offline agent mode.
>> >* works in linux and windows.
>> >* handles attachments.
>> >* good text editor already built-in.
>> >
>> >now i don't know about you, but every windows mail tool seems to come
>> >with the *worst* text editor. i mean lamer than notepad. plus, there
>> >is no escaping it and chosing your own editor.
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windows Benchmark
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:23:54 GMT
Ha ha...You can't!
The Linux crowd runs and hides ever time the word "benchmark" is
mentioned.
Oh yea, some German Magazine DID do a benchmark. Linux won by a large
measure. Surprised?
Nobody else was.
Another problem is you have to find applications. Linux applications
that is, real shipping bonafide applications, not promises.
Good luck....
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:55:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi --
>
>where can I find Linux vs. Windows benchmarks?
>
>Specifically, I am looking to compare O/S and application
>performance on the same Hardware platform.
>
>Any hints appreciated.
>
>Ulrich
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:26:22 GMT
Hey Drestin!!!
We don't even have to show Linux is for geeks anymore. The
geeks are doing it for us!!!!
Can't wait to show my bartender that command. He's gonna love it :(
Steve
On 6 Apr 2000 22:09:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote:
>Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Then why not do this 'benchmark' on a Windows 2000 machine with the indexing
>> service running. Find ANY file (or files or folders) in under a second every
>> time, including text within most file types and based on dates, size,
>> attributes, keywords, summary, copyrights, versions, whatever. A fully
>> indexed file system... hows locate compare now?
>
>cd /
>find * | cat >> biglist
>alias locate=grepinbig
>
>(grepinbig)
>grep -i $input /biglist | less
>
>That was really...ummm...
>
>Hard.
>
>
>
>
>-----yttrx
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:35:23 GMT
On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:16:31 -0500, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>However, what they currently have out has set world records. Where's Linux?
Linux is nowhere. Same place it was 5 years ago, but with some hype
generated by the press and the goal to save $$$$.
>Win2K hasn't scaled PAST linux, because Linux hasn't proved it can scale at all.
You are forgetting the all famous German benchmark, whose magazine
name escapes me at the moment :)
>Where are the TPC numbers?
Poooorrrr Linux. Can't afford to pay for some bench marking. Maybe the
RedHat head Geek should cash in some of his over rated IPO earnings to
do some serious bench marking?
>> and meanwhile the LINUX kernel 2.4 is due this summer.
>
>*yawn* maybe then it'll be more than laughable. If I were petty like you guys,
>the Penguinistas, I would berrate you for extolling the virtues of an unreleased
>product like you did against us for Win2K. However, Win2K is out, it's the best,
>and it's proven itself time and time again. It only gets better while the Linux
>team tries to figure out how to get simple SMP working without a.) crashing the
>system or b.) usually ending up using only one processor.
There is always a catch when you decide to run Linux. Always.
>Give me a break. You're so full of it...
It is getting smelly around here.
>> LINUX/FreeBSD are very popular OSs for R&D
>> and as for compute clusters.
>
>So? How does that make it better overall than Windows2000 or faster, or more
>scalable?
We will never know because Linux runs from benchmarks.
>> I can get Oracle8i or IBM DB2 for LINUX for
>> less than HALF the cost of W2K.
>
>But you'd get 1/2 or 1/8th the performance, so what? I can get a word processor
>for Linux for free too, but it sucks. Windows2000 has proven itself on several
>occasions and has set many records.
The dirty little secret of Linux. Sure it's free but you get half the
performance and half the features.
Linux is a joke for anyone other than a political anti Microsoft nut.
>-Chad
>
Steve
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:42:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Yikes! Another pill.. I take so many already :)
and all along i was wondering what you were smoking.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:45:15 GMT
Smoking is detrimental to your health.
Kind of like Linux.
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:42:48 GMT, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> Yikes! Another pill.. I take so many already :)
>
>and all along i was wondering what you were smoking.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:50:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: We don't even have to show Linux is for geeks anymore. The
: geeks are doing it for us!!!!
: Can't wait to show my bartender that command. He's gonna love it :(
Just be sure to let your bartender finish explaining to you the difference
between /, ., and ~ before you ask him to help you with this one.
When you're as clueless as Steve, everyone looks like a geek.
--
David Steinberg -o) Boycott Amazon.com! Fight
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \ the "1-Click Order" patent:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v http://www.nowebpatents.org
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