Linux-Advocacy Digest #991, Volume #31 Mon, 5 Feb 01 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: DOS2Unix ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Tread carefully when advocating Linux & OpenS (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows (Steve Mading)
Re: The Wintrolls ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:05:04 -0500
"Billy White Jr." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 2: By the end of it all the key people from PARC were on the Mac team
> > > anyway.
> >
> > The Mac team was essentially the PARC team...PARC started shutting down,
> > and the majority of them ended up taking the majority of slots in the
> > Mac project.
>
> PARC shut down? That's funny, my Dad had many a meeting there up until 4
> years ago. In fact, there's rumors floating that PARC is up for sale
> right now.
As far as the people who worked there at the time, yeah, PARC was
"shutting down"...shutting down on their work.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:06:14 -0500
Daza wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daza wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Daza wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nor could they make either OS truly multi-user. One would
> > > hope
> > > > > that,
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > these were competitive products, they might take advantage
> of
> > > the
> > > > > fact
> > > > > > > > > > that a microcomputer does not necessarily benefit from the
> > > > > multi-user
> > > > > > > > > > methods of Unix-style OSes, instead of constantly failing
> to
> > > even
> > > > > > > > > > recognize the distinction, let alone take advantage of it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Explain this statement, why do you think that NT isn't a
> multi
> > > user
> > > > > OS?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How many people can log into an NT Server machine and control
> it
> > > > > > > > using the GUI interface?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just asking.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, I've one remote session, one console session, and one
> TS
> > > > > > > connection from the console to this computer (I'm doing some
> admin
> > > work,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > don't feel like logging off, adn runas works only half the time
> in
> > > > > > > Whistler).
> > > > > > > The top that this computer has been through was 6 sessions +
> > > console,
> > > > > it's a
> > > > > > > PIII 500 + 384MB, it didn't seem to cause major slowdown to any
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > connections.
> > > > > > > I can't really answer this question, but I've heard numbers that
> > > range
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > 20 to 50 or more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many $$$$$$$$$$$ extra did you have to spend to get this
> > > 1960's-era
> > > > > > capability
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > > > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > > > > ICQ # 3056642
> > > > >
> > > > > With NT4 and W2k (and 3.51 I think) you can easily use a remote
> console
> > > >
> > > > If you're willing to spend $300/machine for the 3rd-party software,
> > > > or, with Lose2k, about $150/machine for the Terminal Services
> licenses.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > session to do command line administration. With W2k server you can
> also
> > > use
> > > > > Terminal Services to do remote GUI administration tasks. These are
> > > standard
> > > > > tools supplied by Microsoft as part of Server versions of their OS.
> No
> > > > > extra cash required.
> > > >
> > > > ...other than licenses.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Remote Admin, either terminal or GUI, does not require extra licenses
> with
> > > W2k server. You are correct that remote multi-user sessions do require
> a
> > > per user license to use authenticated Terminal Services. But if you
> really
> > > need to employ Windows apps (sometimes you have no choice!) in a large
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > A highly doubtful presumption right there
>
> Please read what I say before commenting. Why is this a "highly doubtful
> presumption"? For a multiplicity of (sometimes valid) reasons many
> companies want to standardise on using Microsoft Office for basic
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Another contradiction in terms :-)
> productivity (ha!) software. If you are working within the IT department at
> one of these companies you have four choices;
> 1) Install Office 2000
> 2) You happen to work at a media firm and so install Office:Mac
> 3) Resign
> 4) Waste your energy trying to convince the decision makers that StarOffice
> etc. is much better. Is this really worth arguing over? Very boring. And
> interia is a bugger, right?
>
> Familiarity is probably the major reason for using M$ Office. A former
> employer of mine specialised in the distribution of technical components to
> resellers. The Call Center staff had to do a lot of Wordprocessing,
> Spreadsheet and Presentation work internally and shared with clients and
> suppliers. As with all Call Centers, there was a constant small turnover of
> staff, so new recruits/temps had to get up to speed quickly. In this case
> it made sense to use Office. All (I do mean ALL) of our partners used
> Office, or at least had access to it. This made exchanging documents easy.
> Most recruits and all of the temps already knew how to use Office. This
> meant that training could concentrate on doing the job and using internal
> bespoke systems, rather than how to use an unfamiliar workdprocessor.
>
> (Yes I know that data exhange using XML would be much better, but that
> assumes that all parties have implemented this technology.)
>
> >
> > > organisation, Terminal Services is a good solution.
> > >
> > > You know, Linux makes a good workstation OS to support accessing
> Terminal
> > > Services.
> >
> > Linux/Unix makes an even BETTER workstation in a Microsoft-free
> environment.
> >
> > IF you don't believe me....ask ANYONE who works at an automotive supplier.
> >
> I am sure there are many situations where a M$ free environment works just
> great. Totally believe you. "There can be only one" may be true in
> Highlander, but it does not apply to IT.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOS2Unix
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:07:54 -0500
mlw wrote:
>
> "Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > How can you not love Linux?
> > >
> >
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > All I ever wanted to do was multi-task DOS, really. And that's where
> > > Microsoft went wrong, IMHO. They built up Windows and tried to hide
> > > DOS. They could have made DOS as powerful as any UNIX and sold Windows
> > > as an application. But no.
> > >
> > > Oh well.
> > >
> > >
> > > MjM
> >
> > I like/liked DOS as well, in fact I have an older socket5 Pentium 90
> > with DOS, just for hacking that... but as far as I know, DOS could
> > never be multi-tasking in the truest sense of the word, because it
> > is entirely based on a layer just above the machine, with dependencies
> > on calls directly to the ROM Bios and real addressees, all of which
> > make task swapping possible, but don't allow for the very sophisticated
> > handling of memory, system calls, and interrupts which a true multi-
> > tasking system require. Btw- I was a bit disgusted when MS tried to
> > put the squeeze on DOS by such annoyances as allowing DOS programs
> > to run in virtual machine windows, (basically DOS emulators), but
> > never addressed the issue of resizing graphics and animations in those
> > windows. Windows is such a big blob of code it would not have taken much
> > more to be able to resize videos in DOS windows, but their attitude
> > seems to be to try to force users to cooperate with their 'upgrades'
> > like they are the Sat Gurus and the users are submissive devotees.
>
> Actually, DOS is a very interesting environment, and quite capable of
> Multitasking, IF a few assumptions are made:
>
> The 8088 and 8086 use a segmented memory addressing space. It is accessed via
> two registers, a segment register and an offset register. Both these registers
> are 16 bits. The segment registers represent 16 byte aligned segment starting
> points, the offset registers are added to the segment registers when a physical
> address is created. For instance: segment 1 and offset 0, written as 0001:0000,
> is actually address physical 000010.
>
> As long as the program never looked at the segment register, it could be moved
> around in memory at will. The processor, unfortunately, had no way to protect
> itself, so multitasking is not very safe. However, in a carefully programmed
> environment, it was quite reliable.
>
> DOS was designed thinking that the "small" model (16 bit code, 16 bit data)
> would be used to run multiple CP/M based programs at the same time. This
> capability never materialized. CP/M ported programs quickly ignored guidelines
> and started using much more than 64K data. If Microsoft had a memory management
> strategy for the introduction of DOS 2.0, multitasking DOS would have been a
> reality.
>
> Oddly enough, Windows 1.0/2.x/3.0 (real mode) was a multitasking (cooperative,
> but could have been preemptive) operating environment for DOS using the
> 8088/8086 segmented memory model with a pretty cool overlay manager. It
> simulated virtual memory with discardable read-only code segments. Data
> segments were swapped in an out of LIM "expanded" memory, but code segments
> were called in as needed and discarded after use.
>
Only if you think crashing is "cool"
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tread carefully when advocating Linux & OpenS
Date: 5 Feb 2001 20:05:36 GMT
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It was the Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:14:10 GMT...
: ...and gswork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> However open a system is it's meaningless to the actual user for whom
:> the source code is just hard drive filler. To use source you must
:> understand it to a degree enough to change it meaningfully.
: That's right.
: And, lo and behold, that is why thou shalt not call it Open Source;
: nay I say: Thou shalt call it Free Software.
: The expression "Free Software" makes clear what the advantage for the
: individual user is. "Open Source" is just a buzzword targeted at IT
: managers.
The average person (who doesn't know how to code) gets the same
advantage from the openness of the software that I (who knows
nothing about cars) get from the ability of a mechanic to open
the hood of my car. I don't know how to use that knowlege directly,
but others *can* and that means I don't have to go to the official
dealership to have my car worked on, and that means if there is a
majorly stupid flaw in the engine's workings it has a good chance of
being discovered by people other than those in the employ of the
manufacturer.
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: 5 Feb 2001 20:08:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Krid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: As their last actions in this world, the clinically depressed
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) scrawled the
: following message (Suicide note ID#
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) onto their dashboard before
: igniting a JATO unit strapped on to their roof:
:>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
:><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:> wrote
:>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:46:47 GMT
:><XNy86.194$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
:>>
:>>"Stuart R. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:>>> Charlie Ebert <charlie> wrote:
:>>> : Linux has the BEST uptime record of any operating system in the
:>>> : world.
:>>>
:>>> Well, between Windows and Linux, that might be true. However, there's
:>>> more to the world than Linux and Windows.
:>>>
:>>Not in this neck of the woods, my friend! ;)
: <snip>
:>Other speciality/embedded operating systems (WinCE might be
:>construed as one, although it's a relatively recent entry)
:>might be included, as well. I don't know a lot about them.
: CE? Long uptime? HA!
: Have you EVER heard of a video game system crashing? (Discounting when you
: remove parts while it's on, of course.)
Uptime means staying up the whole time. Turning the machine off and
on again resets the counter, even if it was deliberate and not a
crash. How many people leave their game consoles turned on 24/7?
: I have a Dreamcast. It runs CE. It crashes/munges data every other day or so.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:10:05 -0500
mlw wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed how the wintrolls seem to have absoloutely vast
> > software libraries in their homes? Only the other day, flatfish claimes
> > to have 4 encyclopedias. Who the hell needs 4 encyclopedias?
> >
> > Mabey they buy every bit of software on sale just to find stuff that
> > doesn't work under Linux?
> >
> > Also the range of problems the trolls have is, quite frankly, vast.
> > What's odd about these problems is that they rarely seem to make it on to
> > he serious news groups, and no one else ever seems to suffer from them.
> >
> > Finally, you have people like Goodwin, Flatty and EF who hate linux and
> > seem to have is crashing the whole time and can't run software they want,
> > yet they keep on using it. Why? No sane person would carry on using
> > something if they had so many problems with it (usless it was forced on
> > them).
>
> I do find much of the wintrolls posts, quite frankly, very hard to believe. Not
> any one incident, mind you, but that they seem to have ALL the problems ever
> posted about Linux. This has always been a cause for me to ponder what it is
> that they are doing.
Especially problems that were solved 6 and 7 years ago...
>
> I use my computer to work. My work consists of designing software and
> procedures for others to write software. I need software development tools, and
> standard office tools. Drawing, charting, presentations, etc.
>
> I have yet to be lacking any of the tools I need to work under Linux. These
> guys carry on like presentations must be done in postscript code authored in
> VI. The funny thing is that I never log any time lost to random crashes, or
> reboots to "fix" a problem. Which is funny too because Microsoft has been
> working so hard to make the boot process "quicker" so people don't lose as much
> time, but the reality it could take longer if they would work on making Windows
> more stable.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:14:43 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/5/01 7:44 AM:
>
> >
> > If the Linux install software has such problems detecting common ordinary
> > keyboards and mice, then how do you think it got to be the number one
> > platform for web-serving on the net?
>
> I think that one came up a few times in my cursing.
>
> >>
> >> Fact of the matter is in your quest to replace intellectual debate with
> >> mindless gibbering insult you've conveniently run kicking and screaming from
> >> your point about Linux being consumer friendly. I have a DEGREE in
> >> programming, and work with UNIX daily and it took me forever to get linux to
> >> work, and it had NO uses when it finally did. It is NOT a consumer OS,
> >> period end of story.
> >
> > Should have studied Engineering rather than CS.
>
> > Engineering is all about getting things to work. Most CS people have dealt
> > with have their heads in the clouds, consider hardware to be "someone else's
> > responsibility" and pout whenever there is anything less than an infinite
> > amount of resources.
>
> >
> > Maybe you're diffent.
> >
> >
> > But so far...you fit right into the mold.
>
> All the Engineering majors I've met can't program their way out of a paper
> bag and waste resources left and right.
Well, I don't know where they went to school..
but at Purdue, the FIRST thing the profs always discussed in a programming
assignment was "what resources do we have available"
Conversely, the CS profs always assumed virtually infinite resources.
>
> > I've done several installations of Linux:
> >
> > Redhat 4.x
> > Redhat 5.2
> > Mandrake something or other.
> > Suse 6.2
> >
> > Never had a problem. What's your excuse?
>
> Having better thing to do with my time then jerk off over the look and feel
> of text?
Sounds like a personal problem.
I suggest you seek professional help.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Thank god the PC industry grew up even if you sad saps didn't.
> >>
> >
> > For someone with a BS in CS, you should be ashamed of yourself if
> > you can't do a RedHat install.
> >
> > That's right....ASHAMED of yourself...oxygen thief.
>
> Hey bud, if the makers can't provide an installer that recognizes simple
> things like PS/2 keyboard, 12 X IDE CD ROM, and a pretty run of the mill
> video card it ain't MY fault. (Of course if PCs had any standards at all
You must be the ****ONLY*** person in the WHOLE FREAKING WORLD whose
PS/2 keyboard wasn't detected during a Linux install.
12x ATAPI CD-ROM not detected???
I'm not buying THAT load of horse-shit either,
How exactly did you get the install-CD going if the CD-ROM wasn't recognized?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
you story is so full of holes I can strain tea with it.
> that'd be at least a feasible task, still even the ABIT motherboard is
> pretty normal so I'm fairly disappointed the thing didn't go smoother than
> it did.)
Just fuck off and die, asshole.
>
> -G3
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:18:03 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Ammon at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/5/01 1:24 PM:
>
> > You're wrong on Jobs. It was Atkinson and Tom Whitney who got Jobs to
> > go, at the urging of Raskin. In fact, Jobs had earlier refused to go
> > see Xerox. And a lot of the Mac had already been created, without Jobs'
> > knowing, before the historic visit.
> >
> > [snip the rest]
> >
> > -Peter
>
> I have at least two books I can quote if need be (Insanely Great, by Steve
> Levy, and Accidental Millionaire by, heck I forget his name)
>
> I am sure Raskin may have liked GUI, I am sure he didn't want it on the Mac.
>
> His Mac was to be a sub 1000 dollar machine and he opposed GUI because it
> required expensive components that would greatly increase the cost of the
> machine.
That's because GUI's are RESOURCE-HOGS
You think all those pretty pixels get painted for free?
They take memory, and computational cycles.
>
> Also, I'm sure that it was Jobs (being the one capable of getting Xerox to
> make a deal like that) that set it up.
>
> -G3
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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