Linux-Advocacy Digest #991, Volume #30 Wed, 20 Dec 00 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Replacement Tommel)
Re: is this related to nfs? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Bracy = Chad Myers? ("Donn Miller")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Bob Hauck)
Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux! (Jonathan Buzzard)
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Bob Hauck)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux! (mlw)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Replacement Tommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:11:02 GMT
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "delete the \".ies\"" wrote:
>
> ...and given the abysmal results they turn out with all the tax money
>they get now, it's a good way of doing things. the whole shool system
>should be supported that way, until the "educators" figure out how to
>teach again.
>
Whoa! Not all public schools are bad, I happened to go to a "magnet"
public school myself and I thought it was everybit as good as the
private school I went to before my parents got divorced (if not better).
> redc1c4,
> public schools are for people who hate their kids
...or who can't afford to go to a private school...
-Tom
"If you are resolutely determined to make a lawyer of yourself, the
thing is more than half done already." --Abraham Lincoln, from the
November 5, 1855 Letter to Isham Reavis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: is this related to nfs?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:24:45 GMT
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:51:42 +0800, ID <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i have a web-server on a rh7-linux
>and i have a samba-fileserver also a rh7-linux
>they are on different machine, i want to allow the files
>on fileserver to be served through webserver
Use smbmount or nfs to mount the share to your web server.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bracy = Chad Myers?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:26:29 -0500
"Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:JE506.22634$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Donn Miller"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think they are the same person.
>
> Wow, were you placed in a classroom with all those other "special"
> children? . You must've been one of those voters in Florida who
> were confused by butterfly ballots.
Yep, this is definitely Chad Myer.s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:28:07 GMT
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:02:02 GMT, Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone out there make a Selectric style keyboard for PCs?
I have an old Northgate keyboard with that layout that I bought at a
church yard sale for $3. It even clicks when you type, the better to
drive your office-mates batty <g>.
I think the Happy Hacking keyboard is probably the closest thing in
current production.
And please don't quote the Kulkis-sig. He gets way too much publicity
as it is.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Buzzard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux!
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:46:49 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[SNIP]
>
> The price indicates that the actual camera is trivial and all the
> important product development was in the software. If Intel makes the
> hardware API public, then it is clear how the camera works. Competitors
> would be able to clone the hardware and just instruct users to download
> the camera software from Intel.
I don't think that this would work, few users would be happy not getting
the driver with the device, and it would probably be a breach of the
license for the software. If Intel was to put some device ID in the
device which the driver was to check, then this would effectively lock
out the clonners, unless they want to find themselves in court.
> I worked at Polaroid as a contractor and did some work on their
> electronic still camera. There is a lot of image processing involved in
> this sort of product. Obviously, the el-cheapo cameras must do this in
> host software, not on the camera to keep the costs down. The competitor
> only has to invest in hardware, while Intel has to recoup cost the
> larger cost of software development.
>
> It is a tough problem, and one of those gray areas in which a pure GPL
> approach is a very tough sell. To differentiate yourself and be
> competitive with a hardware product, you must make it good and make it
> competitively priced. The answer to this is proprietary software to
> control mass-produced trivial hardware.
>
Not in a pure GPL approach, as Intel would have only a small expense in
the software development as would all the other camera manuafactures.
JAB.
--
Jonathan A. Buzzard Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Northumberland, United Kingdom. Tel: +44(0)1661-832195
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 19:41:52 GMT
On 20 Dec 2000 18:25:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Not by anyone that matters. I read somewhere
>
>Oh, you "read somewhere". Well that certianly makes it true.
Whatever. Of course you won't believe it, but then, you wouldn't believe
it if you hear it straight from Linus.
>> that Redhat is the most popular
>> distribution among kernel developers. And I believe Linus uses it.
>
>Among others.
One other, IIRC.
>> Most of
>> the experts don't need to find a hard-to-use distribution just to prove
>> that they're "cool".
>
>No, most use debian because its the most like freebsd. (not that youd know
Completely unsubstantiated.
>why, or even understand why if someone explained it to you using only
>two letter articles and a blackboard)
I use OpenBSD, and yes, I understand why you think that Debian is "like
FreeBSD". And no, the fact that I disagree with you does not mean that I'm
stupid.
By the way, why do you feel the need to put down take cheap shots at
those who disagree with you ? I mean, you've thrown around insults throughout
this thread. What's your problem ? Lighten up.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 19:44:06 GMT
On 20 Dec 2000 18:24:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
More cheap shots. Yes, if anyone disagrees with you, they must be stupid,
ignorant and uninformed.
Perhaps we should solicit your wise counsel before daring to have an opinion
that contradicts your divine wisdom.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:46:35 GMT
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:01:41 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:01:26 GMT, Chad C. Mulligan
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >So that's ONE. Does 1== lots in your mind then?
>>
>> Sure, when ONE costs $3 million. That's 3,000 PC's worth.
>
>Assuming that one such beast is equal 3,000 PC,
The customer will be running 1500 copies of Linux on it, with room for
growth.
> that is *still* not enough to count for returning the invesement in
> proting Windows.
So you are sure they won't ever sell more than one? Based on what?
Anyway, you're probably right. It seems unlikely that there is much of
a market for NT on S/390. Which has little or nothing to do with
whether there is a market for Linux on that hardware. There clearly is
at least a little market for that, since somebody bought one already.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:54:25 GMT
redc1c4 wrote:
>
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> > dvick wrote:
> > >
> > > "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> > > Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> > > armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> > > but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> > > rides?
> >
> > Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
> > desks and blackboards.
>
> and given the abysmal results they turn out with all the tax money they
> get now, it's a good way of doing things. the whole shool system should be
> supported that way, until the "educators" figure out how to teach again.
All it takes is committed parents and a principal with leadership. A good
example is our daughter's high school (Wando High in Mt. Pleasant SC).
A very good school in spite of the overcrowding, mold in the building,
old crap desks, and trailers.
> redc1c4,
> public schools are for people who hate their kids
What a snobass. How dare you quote the following from Samuel Adams!
The effrontery, the audacity, the temerity!
> --
> "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
> better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We
> ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
> you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that
> ye were our countrymen."
> Samuel Adams
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:03:51 -0500
Jonathan Buzzard wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [SNIP]
> >
> > The price indicates that the actual camera is trivial and all the
> > important product development was in the software. If Intel makes the
> > hardware API public, then it is clear how the camera works. Competitors
> > would be able to clone the hardware and just instruct users to download
> > the camera software from Intel.
>
> I don't think that this would work, few users would be happy not getting
> the driver with the device, and it would probably be a breach of the
> license for the software. If Intel was to put some device ID in the
> device which the driver was to check, then this would effectively lock
> out the clonners, unless they want to find themselves in court.
But, and I have seen this with older video cards based on S3 chips,
video capture cards, FAX modems, etc. If vendor A puts a lot of work in
their driver to make it better, and vendor B puts very little work in
their driver, but it is common knowledge that vendors A's driver will
work with vendor B's hardware, the more savvy people will buy the device
by vendor B and download drivers from vendor A.
>
> > I worked at Polaroid as a contractor and did some work on their
> > electronic still camera. There is a lot of image processing involved in
> > this sort of product. Obviously, the el-cheapo cameras must do this in
> > host software, not on the camera to keep the costs down. The competitor
> > only has to invest in hardware, while Intel has to recoup cost the
> > larger cost of software development.
> >
> > It is a tough problem, and one of those gray areas in which a pure GPL
> > approach is a very tough sell. To differentiate yourself and be
> > competitive with a hardware product, you must make it good and make it
> > competitively priced. The answer to this is proprietary software to
> > control mass-produced trivial hardware.
> >
>
> Not in a pure GPL approach, as Intel would have only a small expense in
> the software development as would all the other camera manuafactures.
But how would Intel make a case for its camera over some low priced
clone? Why would someone pay $10 dollars more for an Intel camera? They
wouldn't, and that would not be acceptable for someone like Intel.
Intel has a brand name, as dubious as it is, they have to make sure that
there camera is better than a "Snap!" super el-cheapo. If they can't,
they won't enter the market. If they release something that makes their
camera better than the "Snap!" then, "Snap!" would be able to copy their
image processing techniques and steal the market with price.
GPL can not apply to hardware, because hardware is limited by finite
numbers. Production has a proportional unit cost for the producer. While
the software associated with a digital camera may be free, making it so
would affect the ability to produce the camera competitively. The
software is part of the camera.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > YOU ARROGANT FUCKING ASSHOLE!
>
> Merry Christmas to you, too!
Glad to see that you recognize what you are.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:05:29 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> dvick wrote:
> >
> > "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> > Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> > armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> > but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> > rides?
>
> Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
> desks and blackboards.
Did it EVER fucking occur to your pitifult little walnut-sized brain
that without a military, you wouldn't have the FREEDOM to do such
things in the first place?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:06:08 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> David Casey wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> > > > Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> > > > armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> > > > but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> > > > rides?
> > >
> > > Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
> > > desks and blackboards.
> >
> > And of course, you're hard at work to fix that problem, right?
>
> No, I'm sitting here on my ass posting messages.
Typical liberal. Complains that nobody is fixing his problems for him.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:07:49 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> redc1c4 wrote:
> >
> > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > >
> > > dvick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> > > > Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> > > > armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> > > > but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> > > > rides?
> > >
> > > Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
> > > desks and blackboards.
> >
> > and given the abysmal results they turn out with all the tax money they
> > get now, it's a good way of doing things. the whole shool system should be
> > supported that way, until the "educators" figure out how to teach again.
>
> All it takes is committed parents and a principal with leadership. A good
> example is our daughter's high school (Wando High in Mt. Pleasant SC).
> A very good school in spite of the overcrowding, mold in the building,
> old crap desks, and trailers.
So, you admit that the Demoncrooks and NEA whining about budgets
for purchases are bullshit.
>
> > redc1c4,
> > public schools are for people who hate their kids
>
> What a snobass. How dare you quote the following from Samuel Adams!
> The effrontery, the audacity, the temerity!
>
> > --
> > "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
> > better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We
> > ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
> > you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that
> > ye were our countrymen."
> > Samuel Adams
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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