Linux-Advocacy Digest #594, Volume #26 Fri, 19 May 00 04:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Owen Cannon)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Owen Cannon)
Re: a great job (Leslie Mikesell)
New Microsoft Virus, Worse Than Loveletter -- VBS.NewLove.A (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Is there any money in knowing Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The future... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
RE: Off-topic ? Microsoft ("Raul Valero")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 4 year old anecdotal evidence!! ("poptarts")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 01:07:29 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Never, never, never let user who doesn't understand things tweak the
>> config files. For such users remote sysadmin service via SSH should be
>> provided.
>
>Huh?
>
>Are you suggesting we start up a Centralized Linux Administration
>Bureau or something? And remember that not all computers are on a
>network, and very few of them are on one all the time.
I've suggested something similar on the freebsd newsgroup before
because they need it even worse, but they seem to think everyone
should learn to be an expert.
I think what we really need is some number of well-maintained
'master' system images (somewhere between 10 and 100 would
suffice, but the number doesn't matter) and some tools
to sync up your system to the master without breaking things
due to hardware differences. Good system administrators
would each maintain their own 'ideal' system as the master
copy, tuned for whatever purpose they want. They would
document the philosophy of the configuration (i.e. the
purpose, not the details) and keep everything up to date,
adding new things as they become available. This is work
every system administrator does anyway - we just need the
tools to share it easily. Then, instead of everyone having
to configure and tune their own system, they would just pick
a setup already built that matches their needs and periodically
sync up any updates. There would still be a small amount of
local setup to do, but the bulk of the work could be done.
Freebsd needs this more than Linux, because this is really
the function of the different distributions of Linux. I'd
just like it to be even more complete and have more choices.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Owen Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:06:08 -0700
So you [mr. pineapple-up-ass] are saying that just because open source
programmers work for free, they don't put any effort into coding, just
whatever is least expensive?
> From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: None
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:51:33 +1000
> Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
>
> On 12 May 2000 22:49:51 -0700, bob@nospam wrote:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sam says...
>>
>>>
>>> With the current decline in tech stocks corporate money may stop going
>>> into Linux as no-one has found a "sound business model"
>>>
>>> 100 geeks coding Linux do not make a profitable endeavour.
>>
>> let me give you a simple example.
>>
>> Someone finds a cure for cancer, this cure however requires sea water
>> to make it. obviuosly, no company will get into building this cure,
>> since there no money to be made, after all, it is sea water, which
>> is free and everywhere.
>>
>> The fact that almost no company will get into the business of making
>> this cancer medicine, it does not mean that some volunteers will do,
>> and that at the end, many millions will benifit from it.
>>
>> There are somethings in life that can be more important than just making
>> huge profits. May be the computer industry needs to start to learn to
>> live with less profits, and concetrate in making things that are
>> really usefull for the people of the world.
>>
>
> OK, I can play this game.
>
> Let me give you a better example.
>
> Lets say the "Cancer cure" is sticking a Pineapple up your arse,
> painful but effective, This would be the Linux version, cost minimal.
>
> Lets say someone (MS) develops a different cure, and charges you $100
> for a Pineapple fruit juice in a convenient go anywhere pack with a
> drinking straw.
>
> Which would you choose ?
>
> Sam
>
>
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From: Owen Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:06:09 -0700
SCREW THE BUSINESS WORLD! buy a mac, head off to the mountains and write
haikus!!!
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Newsgroups:
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advoc
> acy
> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:03:12 GMT
> Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
>
> On Sun, 14 May 2000 10:08:38 -0400, Evan DiBiase
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Now I'd like to read some about your background?
>>
>> Is it really relevant? I'm 16 years old, and have been using computers since
>> I was five. I've used almost every major distribution of Linux, BeOS,
>> FreeBSD, Windows 3.11, Windows 9x, Windows NT4, and Windows 2000. What more
>> do you want?
>
> Some real world experience, i.e. deploying systems in business,
> scientific, or engineering applications. Not that I mean to knock
> you. You're only 16, so someday you'll get some if you want and until
> that time you should continue to remain open minded as you
> are. However having a PC at home is not the same as implementing
> solutions in the real business world.
>
> Perry
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: a great job
Date: 19 May 2000 01:27:44 -0500
In article <VK4V4.1810$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Tandy never released
>> sales numbers but they where huge.
>
>I would doubt that Tandy ever sold more than 1 million non-PC computers
>total. Commodore and Atari certainly sold far more.
I'd guess a million of the model 1's and 3's which were pretty
general-purpose. The Commodore and Atari were more in the video
game class like the Tandy color computer.
>> And I think this was
>> Microsoft's original windfall, because they had not expected
>> to sell many and had licensed MS ROM BASIC on a per-piece
>> basis instead of the usual flat rate (at least based on
>> the rumors of the day...).
>
>Actually, if you don't expect to sell many, a flat rate is far better than a
>per piece rate.
Make up some math... Suppose the flat rate was $50k for unlimited
copies, RS got a per-piece rate expecting to sell 2,000 and come
in cheaper, but sold a million instead. Makes a good story,
anyway, and if true would explain why MS had the money to do
what they did with Xenix, and then the deal with QDOS/IBM.
>> The numbers kept increasing, of course, as the the utility as
>> better programming became available, but Apple and Tandy are
>> the ones that set the wheels in motion with a ready-to-run
>> box at a price ordinary people could afford.
>
>Few people could afford the $2000 price tag of an Apple II in the late 70's.
>Tandy's were a lot cheaper, but then they were black and white (even later
>models the TRS-80-model 3.)
As I recall, the IBM started at a bit over $2000 and was more like
$5000 with color and some memory.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: New Microsoft Virus, Worse Than Loveletter -- VBS.NewLove.A
Date: 19 May 2000 06:52:13 GMT
A new variant of the Loveletter VBS e-mail virus was mentioned
on all the local news programs in Silicon Valley tonight as
already causing severe problems in some businesses.
It changes its Subject line each time it infects a new com-
puter, and deletes almost *all* files, not just JPGs and MP3s.
Symantec's web page says 1,000 systems have already been
infected.
Another result of Microsoft innovation. Thank you Bill Gates!
>From: Norman Hirsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: VBS.NewLove.A
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:20:43 -0400
>Organization: NH&A
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
>
>Looks like we might have another bad virus: VBS.NewLove.A
>according to Symantec :
>
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.loveletter.fw.a.html
>
>SARC, in conjunction with other anti-virus vendors, has renamed this
>worm from VBS.LoveLetter.FW.A to VBS.NewLove.A.
>
>The VBS.NewLove.A is a worm, and spreads by sending itself to all
>adressees in the Outlook address book when it is activated. The
>attachment name is randomly chosen, but will always have a .Vbs
>extension. The subject header will begin with "FW: " and will include
>the name of the randomly chosen attachment (excluding the .VBS
>extension) Upon each infection, the worm introduces up to 10 new lines
>of randomly generated comments in order to prevent detection.
>
>Also known as: VBS/Loveletter.ed, VBS/Loveletter.Gen, VBS_SPAMMER,
>VBS.Loveletter.FW.A
>
>Category: Worm
>
>Infection length: Variable
>
>Virus definitions: 05/18/2000 (release time pending)
>
>Additional information will also be posted on the SARC web site as
>soon as it becomes available:
>
>www.symantec.com/avcenter
>
>CNET:
>
>here's a new virus in town, and it makes ILOVEYOU look like a genuine
>mash note. Where ILOVEYOU erased .jpg files and hid .mp3 files, the
>newest variant (named VBS.NewLove.A) will delete all files on your
>computer not in use and replace them with copies of itself. Where
>ILOVEYOU was instantly recognizable to anyone who knew about it, this
>new worm changes both the subject line of the email sent and the name
>of the attachment.
>
>So what does it have in common with ILOVEYOU? It preys on the exact
>same vulnerabilities, and only Windows users who have Outlook can be
>infected. The worm is a Visual Basic file that perpetuates itself
>through the Outlook address book. Therefore, preventing infection is
>similar to ILOVEYOU.
>
>****Prevention****
>Immediately back up your entire system. If you become infected,
>restoring your entire system from backup is the only cure.
>
>If you receive any emails with FW: in the subject lines, do not open
>any attachments.
>
>Do not open any email attachments that end in .vbs. In fact, never
>open .vbs attachments. As a stopgap measure, install VBProtect , a
>utility that will warn you before you attempt to open any VBS
>attachment:
>
>http://2.digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin2/flo?x=dAouAEoBhYwBABKuY
>
>To prevent further infection, download the latest definition sets for
>your antivirus software. Norton AntiVirus users, click here:
>
>http://2.digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin2/flo?x=dAouAEoBhYwBABBuh
>
>****How the VBS.NewLove.A Worm works****
>When the worm infects your system, it deletes all files not in use and
>creates copies of itself in their place. A file named report.doc will
>be replaced with a copy of the virus named report.doc.vbs.
>
>The worm sends copies of itself to everyone in your Outlook address
>book. It chooses a random file and uses that name for the attachment
>and email subject. For example, if it chooses song.mp3, it will send
>an email titled "FW: song.mp3" with an attachment named song.mp3.vbs.
>
>For a complete technical description of the virus, check out
>Symantec's virus description page, here:
>
>http://2.digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin2/flo?x=dAouAEoBhYwBABmuK
>
>We will be putting up alert and anti-virus updates as they become
>available on our web site: http://www.nha.com
>
>Best regards,
>
>Norman Hirsch
>
>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:00:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel van Smoorenburg) writes:
' What most people don't like about KDE is that if you port your
' commercial program to Linux, you'll have to pay for a Qt license.
If you are doing that, you don't need to use Qt. If you used it for
your Windows app, then you already paid for the license, so what is the
big deal?
That said, I wouldn't mind if someone came out with a decent, high
quality C++ GUI toolkit for Linux/BSD/Un*x that was free and portable
to Windows. My only real problem with Qt is the MOC compiler. It is
a macro hack that is no different from what Microsoft uses with MFC.
In principle.
I don't consider GTK-- to be a class library. It is just a wrapper
for GTK. Not the same thing really now, is it? Not that GTK is a bad
thing. After all, there is a port of GIMP for Windows.
Anyway, use what you want for your projects. I couldn't care less
about Windows anymore, so I have no problem using Qt Free Edition. At
least not apart from MOC.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Is there any money in knowing Linux?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:09:24 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi.
>
> A number of people have asked whether or not anyone is really looking
> for the RHCE certification. Also, I've been asked if there is really
> anyone out there that is interested in paying people to use their Linux
> skills. To help answer these questions, I've created a Linux Salary
> Survey at:
>
> http://www.rhce2b.com/salary.html
>
> Please take a moment to take the survey, so that I can show all my
> friends with MCSE's that employers are indeed paying people who are
> skilled in Linux. Please take the survey if any part of your job
> involves Linux.
>
> Also, for anyone interested in taking the RHCE exam, you'll find an
> online practice test at:
>
> http://www.rhce2b.com/cgi-bin/form_processor/Forms/test.cgi
>
> You'll also find an interview with Kara Pritchard, author of the RHCE
> Linux Exam Cram book at:
>
> http://www.rhce2b.com/kpinterview.html
>
> I'm trying to do my part to advocate the RHCE exam. Please visit my
> website and help out.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.rhce2b.com
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
You know I really think this will depend on the Certification. Take for
instance me I am Sair GNU Linux certified, and I choose this certification
for two reasons: 1 It is not dependent upon a certian Distro, and 2 You
take a 390 hours
of learning GNU Linux, and not the 190 of RedHat and Microsoft.
John Yeager LCP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The future...
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:12:55 -0500
mlw wrote:
> Looking over the landscape of the computer industry, here are some
> observations.....
>
> The Server market distinct from the Workstation is gone. Desktop PCs
> will either get smaller in the direction of thin-clients, or be
> indistinguishable from servers.
>
> I think the NOS market is gone. Novel and whom ever is pursuing it is
> wasting their time. All real OS's will just do it right.
>
> Windows is going to die. Not because of MS, exactly, but because the
> world is going towards standards. While UNIX is not a majority player,
> it is a standards based multi-vendor platform. MS will bluster about
> being the "defacto-standard" but more and more IT people are realizing
> that public standards are better than ubiquitous proprietary standards.
>
Yeap.. Look at the internet, it almost was a company standard and not a
public one
>
> --
> Mohawk Software
> Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
> Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
> Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
> sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 07:00:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: RH puts all config files in etc, even the ones that don't really
: belong there. For example /usr/lib/X11/lib/xinit is a symlink to
: ./../../../etc/X11/xinit.
Well, as I said, I don't now recall what I used to have to do to redhat
spec/makefiles. But it was something along the lines of config file
placements.
:>I use /usr/local for things that weren't in my original system and
:>aren't likely to be in it for the foreseeable future. Netscape would
:>be an example, though I can't think of any good ones.
: On an stock rpm-installed Redhat - and Mandrake:
: /usr/bin/netscape
: /usr/bin/netscape-communicator
: /usr/bin/netscape-navigator
:-). Well, that's wrong then. Netscape is not part of a distribution
in any sense I can think of and its the single thing that's most likely
not to have come from the original distro o my system. Surely it should
go in /opt! I.e. "large package put together by someone else". Or has
someone finally understood a sufficient fraction of the source to
actually be able to compile it meaningfully?
Peter
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From: "Raul Valero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Off-topic ? Microsoft
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:33:31 GMT
> Yes, A federal Judge can just say the hell with you Microsoft,
> your product will never hit US shores again.
> And a Federal Judge CAN do that.
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:36:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>In article <8g1frc$fsk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Bernie
>>
>>P.S.: Updatedb can also get kinda annoying when it gets to your newsspool.
>> Especially when you don't expire news, and have directories with
>> 100,000+ files...... Time to go Reiserfs ;-)
>Or add it to EXCLUDE in /etc/updatedb.conf, or the -e list on
>the command line in the cron job.
That would cure updatedb, but sorting news into that sort of directory
can also get kinda slow (when you see 170% system time on a Dual Pentium,
you know you should be thinking about changes) ;-)
Bernie
--
On the highest throne in the world, we still sit only on our own
bottom
Montaigne
French moralist, 1533-92
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:36:41 GMT
Fredrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>THe Solitare Cards DO look nice in Windows!! Unless Linux cancome up
>with something similar, it will never take of the desktop.. SOlitare,
>the ultimate Windows Killer app... *sigh*
Under RH6.1, simply type "sol" in your nearest xterm. No, the cards don't
wink at you ;-)
Bernie
--
The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the
intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon
Sir John Eric Ericksen
British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria
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From: "poptarts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 4 year old anecdotal evidence!!
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:56:22 -0700
Stephen S. Edwards II !
You are a truly beautiful person and I salute you!
Your posts are allways on the mark and well thought out, keep up the great
work!
Charlie, clearly your insane get help fast!!!!
"Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8g2f0q$96h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> : "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> : >
> : > Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : >
> : > : On 18 May 2000 00:44:19 GMT, Stephen S. Edwards II
> : > : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : >
> : > : >Bob Hauck <hauck[at]codem{dot}com> writes:
> : > : >
> : > : >: On 16 May 2000 23:40:20 GMT, Stephen S. Edwards II
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> : > : >: wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : >: >I was a Linux user since kernel v0.92. I used Linux until
> : > : >: >late 1996. Do you still wish to debate with me?
> : > : >
> : > : >: Linux has come a long way since 1996. Your knowledge is a bit
dated.
> : > : >
> : > : >I'm sure it is. I'm not arguing the technical validity of Linux
here,
> : >
> : > : But you are here:
> : >
> : > : Message-ID: <8fmlur$i7f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> : > : http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=623294410
> : >
> : > : __It's true, that X has been battered and beaten around
> : > : __very much, and now it is very stable under most conditions,
> : > : __but Linux has not had the same go around, and it's quite
> : > : __possible for X to bring Linux down to its knees.
> : >
> : > : You are making a claim here. Then you immediately follow with:
> : >
> : > : __This
> : > : __has happened to me several times, and no, it wasn't a
> : > : __hardware problem.
> : >
> : > : You are basing your claim on anecdotal evidence. Wait a minute,
that's
> : > : nearly 4 year old anecdotal evidence!!
> : >
> : > *sigh* Perry, you just don't comprehend very well, I'm afraid. No,
that
> : > wasn't an insult... it was an observation.
> : >
> : > Let's analyze what I've said:
> : >
> : > "...it's quite possible for X to bring Linux down to its knees."
>
> : No. This is an untrue statement.
>
> No it isn't. If you knew half as much as you claim to, you'd know that
> what I'm saying has, and does happen (though the frequency of such
> occurrences are small).
>
> : > This statement is true. It's true, because such occurrences have been
> : > documented, and presented. The reason why this has happened is
because
> : > The X Window System runs as a privelged root process. If an X server
> : > suddenly decides to misbehave, X can lock up. As others pointed out,
this
> : > does not necessarily lock Linux up, but it can make it impossible to
get
> : > to Linux locally.
>
> : IF it were the truth it wouldn't require wordy explanation of logic.
>
> It's called "backing up one's claim". How predictable that you would fail
> to notice such a thing.
>
> : It is not true.
>
> Whatever.
>
> : >
> : > Also notice that I said "it's quite possible". I didn't say "it
will".
>
> : No, it's not possible either.
>
> Whatever.
>
> : >
> : > You are taking what I am saying, inflating it into something it's not,
and
> : > then claiming that I'm using the same arguing tactics as Charlie. In
> : > effect, you are arguing much like politicians argue. You're looking
for
> : > deep semantic relationships that aren't there from common sense
> : > viewpoints, but that can be drawn by an irrational need to win an
> : > argument, it would seem.
>
> : My tactics don't include total bullshit.
>
> <SARCASM>
> Oh, of course not. You're "tactics" consist purely of carefully
> constructed reasoning and logic. You are perhaps the most potent debatee
> I have ever gone up against.
> </SARCASM>
>
> : >
> : > In short, you keep taking what I say out of context. That is your
> : > problem, not mine. If you'd stop trying to see what isn't there, you
> : > wouldn't need to be wasting so much time typing.
>
> : You can't take total bullshit out of context.
>
> As you'd obviously know. Otherwise, you wouldn't rely on it so heavily
> for your own arguments.
>
> : > --
> : > .-----.
> : > |[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
> : > | = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
> : > | | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
> : > |_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
>
>
> : Would you mind SSE...
>
> : Run along now and masterbate on some other advocacy group's time.
>
> No thanks. I'm engaged to one of those things know as "women" (those
> curvy things in those magazines of yours). I don't need to "masturbate".
>
> Judging by how nauseating your words are, I can only imagine what a
> disgusting individual you must be in person.
>
> You sir, are about as clever as a bag full of doorknobs.
> --
> .-----.
> |[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
> | = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
> | | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
> |_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
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ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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