Linux-Advocacy Digest #672, Volume #26 Wed, 24 May 00 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Bloody Viking)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 ("Rich C")
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save
It?) (fretwiz)
Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Marty)
Re: FFS, RIAA sues SuperPimpSoft ("Mike Trettel")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (s@-)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Marty)
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$Voluntary (Marty)
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ (Marty)
Re: Tholen invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split (Marty)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Jim Richardson)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Jim Richardson)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Jim Richardson)
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From: Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:17:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Paul Voller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[about staircase and X]
Thanks. I was simply trying to make it print plaintext, the thing I use
the most. I succeeded after the clues were provided, i.e. "\r\n" in a C
programme.
: Hope this helps! And good luck in getting it to print Postscript :-)
Now, that's a challenge! This printer is pretty flaky. It waits in a
standby state until used, and it creates another challenge for me to
solve. :) When "woken up" this printer ignores the whole first line to be
printed. Maybe a line of a few blanks for the first print will suffice.
But this means finding a way to let Linux know it's in standby.
For the Postscript challenge, you would have to crack the codes that cause
it to print graphics. A possible clue for others with "brain-dead"
printers is how I once cracked a printer on an old Commodore. When
printing graphics, that Commodore printer would take one byte of a
character that was a control character to take the next one and in binary
fashion hit the paper with only the "ON" pins. Each time graphics were
added, the software would issue the control character then the data
character.
Once you do that with the printer, you then have to create the Postscript
to Brain-Dead_Printer driver.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:19:11 GMT
On Wed, 24 May 2000 20:51:59 GMT, George Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 24 May 2000 15:27:51 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>around? Or even two? If an application says it uses GTK+ ver x.y,
>>
>> YES.
>>
>> It allows for other platforms to be supported.
>
>The QPL in no way forbids porting to BeOS / Mac/ Win 32.
Then why isn't anyone motivated to do so?
>
>Feel free to do so. Only TT's port to Win 32 is commercial.
>
>George Russell
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:26:01 -0400
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Here's a quick report on installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 on my main PC:
>
> PII-400MHz with 128MBytes of RAM, Riva TNT, AHA2940 SCSI, ESS Maestro
> 2E, Netgear card, US Sportster Flash modem.
>
> Here are the things that failed to work:
>
> BST messed up - I had to reset the clock.
>
> Sound does not work; I get buzzing from my ESS Maestro 2E. This is a PCI
> card in my system. Works on Windows 98 SE.
Try running sndconfig from an xterm. My legacy soundblaster did not work on
initial installation (RH6.2, which is similar to Mandrake I believe) but
running this utility afterwards made it work fine. If not, try this:
http://www.linhardware.com/db/dispproduct.php3?DISP?547#drivers
>
> Epson Stylus 640 Printer does not work, I get garbage. Works on Windows 98
> SE.
>
Try here:
http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi?make=Epson&format=full
Scroll down to find your printer. You may have to upgrade some software as
suggested in the comments, but it should work.
> NetGear network configured but does not work. Works on Windows 98 SE.
Define "does not work." Netgear products use the digital [forgot #] chipset,
and the tulip driver. I've installed dozens of these and never had a
problem. Since you say it is "configured", maybe you have another network
problem, such as no DNS or hosts file, or if you're trying to talk to a
windows box, maybe your samba is not set up properly.
>
> LinuxConfig now is GUI (because I installed Gnome as well as KDE).
>
> Kppp works.
>
> Fonts look terrible (but they always did on X - where's font anti
> aliasing?)
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU.html
>
> Pete.
--
Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: fretwiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ Voluntary
Split Save It?)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:41:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, EdWIN
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <53YW4.10754$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Mayor writes:
> >
> >>>>> Christopher Smith writes:
> >
> >>>>>>>> We sic Tholen onto you.
> >
> >>>>>>> Who is "we"?
> >
> >>>>>> We is us.
> >
> >>>>> Who is "us"?
> >
> >>>> Us is "we", obviously.
> >
> >>> Classic circular reasoning.
> >
> >> If A=B does not B=A?
> >
> >Typical inappropriate analogy.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> >I was doing the equivalent of asking for the value of A.
>
> You're erroneously presupposed the existence of "A."
>
> >Your response does nothing to provide me with that
> >value.
>
> Unnecessary. Meanwhile, where is your logical argument? Why,
> nowhere to be seen!
>
Why continue to pretend you could recognize a logical agrument?
fretwizz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:56:07 GMT
Just re-read the thread and you will see that I am not. Linux can run on
32 processer Big-Iron and W2K CAN NOT. W2K CAN NOT take advantage of the
Gread I/O of S/390. If you think I am off the toppic read the quoted
text below.
And I see you can do not nothing more than ape me by calling me a "twit"
. you're sounding more and more like a 2 year old.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and you are completely off topic twit
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8gf5jb$93i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > And if you read the post, Linux CAN run 32 processors. See ch2 of
the
> > link that was posted. Twit.
> >
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I didn't mention big iron - i was refering to the ability to run
on 32
> > > processors. but i'm sure you knew that.
> > >
> > > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > On Mon, 22 May 2000 17:19:53 -0400,
> > > > Drestin Black, in the persona of
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > > >
> > > > >Just like W2K Datacenter...
> > > > >
> > > > >"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > WindowsNT Datacenter Server can recognize up to 16
processors.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Exactly how many can Linux handle? The most I've ever
heard
> > > > >> > of was 16, and that was with a major kernel renovation.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Linux for S/390 handles up to 32 processors. See Chapter 2
of:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://linux390.marist.edu/download/inst.pdf
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gary
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No Drestin, W2K doesn't run on big iron :)
> > > >
> > > > (since you can run 41,000 + instances of linux S/390 on a single
> > machine,
> > > > does that mean that linux scales down to 1/41,000 of a processor
> > also :)
> > > >
> > > > (Linux S/390 is to a server wwww, what ArcherDanielsMidland is
to a
> > garden
> > > > plot.)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jim Richardson
> > > > Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> > > > WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> > > > Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:09:50 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hmm.. interesting. Windows requires a different version of himem.sys
> > > than the DOS version. That means you are replacing windows distribution
> > > files with OS/2 versions in order to make it work, which is not what was
> > > claimed (that retail unmodified Windows 3.1 ran in a VDM).
> >
> > Himem.sys was a part of DOS, not Win3.1. Try again.
>
> Yes, it is. But Windows shipped a different version, and when you install
> Windows, it changes your config.sys to point to the version in the windows
> directory.
>
> Try again.
So what? You can change your config.sys back to use the DOS version.
Furthermore, you can use the Windows version in normal DOS without using
Windows. It's just a version of the same DOS driver that they shipped with
it. It's not "replacing" this functionality with its own version, it's the
same driver, and it's part of DOS, not Win3.1.
Furthermore, the Config.Sys file that it modifies cannot be considered as a
reasonable part of the "Windows distribution", by any stretch. From an OS/2
VDM, you don't load a Config.Sys file for DOS, yet XMS services are already in
place for it. You don't replace the HIMEM.SYS that shipped with Win3.1, you
simply don't use it at all.
Hence your statement:
EF] The version of Windows used by OS/2 is modified to work correctly
EF] with OS/2.
is patently false, as OS/2 is perfectly capable of running an unmodified
installation of Win3.1.
Where are you attempting to go with this, anyway?
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From: "Mike Trettel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FFS, RIAA sues SuperPimpSoft
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:21:33 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) wrote:
> OK, I can understand why the RIAA are pissed over Napster, but sueing
> SuperPimpSoft is just plain lame.
>
> SuperPimpSoft produce PAN, a very nice GTK based newsreader. One of its
> features is it can automatically decode multi-part binaries. The RIAA
> don't like this, apparently because you can use it to decode
> *gasp* MP3s.
>
> The RIAA have demanded SuperPimpSoft remove the auto-decoder from PAN,
> and SuperPimpSoft have refused, hence a lawsuit will follow. See
> http://www.superpimp.org for more details.
>
> I really *really* don't like this, but I doubt the RIAA will win.
> However, in the USA, the land of litigat^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfreedom, anything
> seems to go these days.
>
> What a sad world we live in.
>
I don't get it. Why aren't they sueing Forte? Pan isn't the only
newsreader that automatically decodes multipart binaries.
--
===========
Mike Trettel trettel (Shift 2) fred (dinky little round thing) net
I don't buy from spammers. No exceptions. Fix the reply line to mail me.
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From: s@-
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 24 May 2000 17:27:40 -0700
In article <8ghj45$212b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>In article <8ghffc$l6s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>You miss my point. I am saying that a kernel bug is INTRINSICALLY hard
>>to define. How do you know if the kernel is wrong? What is the standard
>>against which you are measuring it?
>
>The usual practice is to build regression tests for as much as
>possible so you actually have an answer for this. The people
>doing bug tracking then can also tell when it is fixed and
>close the problem.
>
heh, you are asking linux programmers to use modern software
engineering methods like bug-tracking system and regression
testing?? nice try.
A regression test suite is of utomost importance. Can someone
tell me where is one to test the ethernet driver for linux? I just
made changes in one and I want to make sure I did not break
something, how do I know?
I tell you, based on the answers I see here, I just wonder
how Linux even works based on the type of people who seem
to work on it. It seems like the most sloppy development
software project ever created, and it seems to attract
the kind of programmers to have no clue about what is
software engineering is all about.
May be IBM will take it over one day, and clean this mess out,
and put some real engineering process to it.
s/
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:20:06 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 24 May 2000 21:49:10 GMT, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
> wrote:
>
> >"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > Hmm.. interesting. Windows requires a different version of himem.sys
> >> than
> >> > > the DOS version. That means you are replacing windows distribution
> >> files
> >> > > with OS/2 versions in order to make it work, which is not what was
> >> claimed
> >> > > (that retail unmodified Windows 3.1 ran in a VDM).
> >> >
> >> > Himem.sys was a part of DOS, not Win3.1. Try again.
> >>
> >> Yes, it is. But Windows shipped a different version, and when you install
> >> Windows, it changes your config.sys to point to the version in the windows
> >> directory.
> >>
> >> Try again.
> >
> >So how come even this morning I was able to run a shop-bought copy of
> >Windows 3.1 in an OS/2 (Warp 3) VDM without even knowing at that point
> >about the himem.sys file that was supposed to have been changed?
> >
> >Karel Jansens
> >jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
>
> An OS/2 user! I thought they'd all died off. Anyway, I wanted to let
> the group know that I installed Warp 4 on my machine the other day
> (i810, someodd-brand ethernet with OS2 drivers(!!), unsupported sound
> (C-Media 8770? Not 8330; I found those drivers at Hobbes), and C533.
>
> I can't stand it. It's slow, crashed every time I turned around
> (really! The mouse would move and work, but there was no response
> from the desktop or the keyboard's ctrl-esc, tho c-a-d did reset the
> machine correctly), and geez, the driver and fixpack upgrade process
> is a -nightmare-.
This is what I like to call the Inverse McCoy Syndrome. Whenever an OS/2 user
mentions that they had some difficulties with some flavor of Windows, David
McCoy would charge forward and declare how coincidental it is that OS/2 users
always have such "bad luck" when running Windows, insinuating that they are
exaggerating or entirely fabricating stories of their troubles, or that they
are incompetant users. Well, it seems a Windows user is having some "bad
luck" with OS/2 now.
What I found particularly strange is how you refer to the fixpack process as
awkward and annoying. Have you done an RSU installation? That's the
smoothest type of system update I've ever seen in my life. You browse on over
to IBM's site, find the fixpack, click on it, walk away, and a few minutes
later, your system is up to date. "(boggle!)"
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$Voluntary
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:24:00 GMT
EdWIN wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Christopher Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Edwin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > > news:8gcd95$cd4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > > In article <billa-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > > > Bill Altenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > [snip]>
> >> > > > Much like Adolf Hitler's policy of never retreating,
> >> > >
> >> > > According to Goodwin's law, this thread is officially
> dead. Move along
> >> > > folks. No thread to see here.
> >> >
> >> > And how is this "law" enforced? What happens if I keep
> posting to
> >> > this thread?
> >>
> >> We sic Tholen onto you.
> >
> >Illogical, as Tholen responds of its own free will.
>
> Prove it, if you think you can.
Simple: witness its response.
> * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
Yet another pontification.
> The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet
Gearing up to lose another argument, Edwin? Where is your evidence?
> - Free!
How free is "free"?
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:28:04 GMT
Josiah Fizer wrote:
>
> Mayor wrote:
>
> > In article <0_WW4.10747$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >Mayor writes:
> > >
> > >>> Christopher Smith writes:
> > >
> > >>>>>> We sic Tholen onto you.
> > >
> > >>>>> Who is "we"?
> > >
> > >>>> We is us.
> > >
> > >>> Who is "us"?
> > >
> > >> Us is "we", obviously.
> > >
> > >Classic circular reasoning.
> > >
> > If A=B does not B=A?
> >
>
> Nope. Square = Rectange but Rectangle != Square, or at least not all the time.
Incorrect. Typical inappropriate analogy. The relationship between "square"
and "rectangle" is not one of equality.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:31:37 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Joe Malloy writes:
>
> > The Tholen tholens:
>
> Still using made-up words, eh Malloy?
>
> >>> We sic Tholen onto you.
>
> >> Who is "we"?
>
> > The *real* question is how sic [sic!] is Tholen?
>
> How ironic, coming from the person who just wrote that.
Liar. There is no evidence in his posting of your claim that he just wrote
"that". Seeing things that aren't there again, Tholen?
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:32:21 +0200
Roger wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 May 2000 13:22:50 +0200, someone claiming to be Giuliano
> Colla wrote:
>
> >Roger wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 18 May 2000 03:30:45 +0200, someone claiming to be Giuliano
> >> Colla wrote:
>
> >> >There is just one difficulty: we happen to have uninstalled Office 97 because it
>was
> >> >too buggy to be used (our secretary had become almost hysteric).
>
> >> Bugs such as ... ?
>
> >Crashing daily.
>
> Not a bug, since it does not generically do so. Must have been
> something in the environment.
Yes, it was the Windows environment, set up by OEM (Epson Computers in
the specific case), with Office 97 pre-installed as a bonus even if not
requested because we already had open site license for Office 4.3.
Please remember that OEM setup is actually MS setup, because OEM is only
minimally free to change something.
However I agree with you. It was not a bug. It was tons of bugs.
The assertion "does not generically do so" strongly conflicts with my
inquiries with other users.
The posting of Bob May just after mine, reminding me a problem I forgot
to mention (also because our printer was not 600 feet away from PC)
would support better my limited statistics, than your unsupported
assertion.
>
> >What's shown on the screen doesn't show on print.
>
> For example?
You have a subtitle and three lines of text, the subtitle doesn't show,
the other lines do.
Or first line of paragraph doesn't show. Or last line. Just examples.
Quite frequently.
>
> >You save a document and next session you can't open
> >it (either hangs or shows some fancy error dialog).
>
> Which error dialogs would likely have helped in determining * what *
> about the environment, since this is not the behaviour of most Office
> installations.
Very helpful. Sort of "the application has an error and will be closed.
If the error persists, contact the software supplier". The software
supplier keeps you half an hour waiting, and then tells you to call
again.
>
> >Each time Sysadmin intervention, fruitless attempts, recovery
> >with simple text editors, importing text only, etc. etc.
> >Sending a letter to a customer becomes more costly than
> >sending him a Christmas present.
> >
> >For further information please refer to old F-Prot
> >documentation, which explains how anti virus program may
> >hang while scanning Word documents due to MS OLE bugs. They
> >solved the problem just rewriting what they needed. We can't
> >afford that.
>
> Ah, so we had a conflict with the anti-virus program. I don't recall
> McAfee or NAV so corrupting documents or causing such stability
> problems.
No, you misunderstood. You didn't have a conflict, the anti-virus was
not running. You had bugs in OLE which caused Word hang or crash. The
same bugs caused the antivirus to hang or crash too when it was running
and using buggy OLE to scan Word documents.
>
> >> >Reinstalling the
> >> >previous Office was quite hard because of the usual registry mess of Microsoft.
>
> >> You * did * uninstall O97 first, right?
>
> >Of course my friend, to discover that a number of registry
> >entries had been left behind, which apparently affected
> >previous Word. Had to use Norton uninstaller, carefully
> >check all proposed deletions (not all were right of course).
> >Go two or three times through: install Office 4.3, test,
> >uninstall, run Norton, until we got rid of all the stuff and
> >Office 4.3 was running. Again more costly than purchasing a
> >different Office program.
>
> And again, not generically needed. Office 4.3 and Office 95 could
> even co-exist and while I have not had a need to have both 4.3 and 97
> active at the same time, the differences in 4.3 and 95 which allowed
> this to work would also apply to 97.
You have hinted that we could have failed to uninstall O97, in order to
tell me that not uninstalling was my mistake. But as I told you that I
did, then it becomes unnecessary. We were forced to uninstall O97 in
order to have only one registered application for Office documents. As
you well know (you don't, but let's pretend) Office 4.3 is a 16 bit
package which uses the .INI files, while O97 is supposedly a 32 bit
package which uses Registry. If you let the two co-exist, you're never
sure of which one will be started when you click over a document. You
must give a secretary a clean environment to work in.
>
> >> >Documents produced with Word 97 where completely unreadable with Word 96.
>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >>
>http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/wd97cnv.htm?s=/downloadCatalog/dldWord.asp
> >>
> >> Available since September 1998.
>
> >If a conversion program must be used then documents ARE
> >incompatible. We choose NOT to use MS conversion program,
> >being made cautious by experience (see above).
>
> Of course, you could also use the import filter, this util simply
> allows batch conversion which sounded like a better alternative for
> you. And I was not saying they were incompatible -- that's not what
> you claimed. You said "unreadable" which is wrong.
Don't play with words. If you open a Word 97 document with Word 6 you
just get a screen full of garbage. If "unreadable" is wrong, please
suggest another adjective which describes a document you can't read. If
the output of program A results garbage for program B, and saying that A
and B are incompatible is wrong, please suggest another word which
describes this situation. I'm not in love with words. I just like words
which describe facts at best.
>
> And of course you knew absolutely that StarOffice would do everything
> that you needed with out having tried it out as well...
No, I didn't know, I tried and it did work.
When you're unsatisfied of a supplier you test another one, that's how
competition is supposed to work.
--
Ing. Giuliano Colla
Direttore Tecnico
Copeca srl
Via del Fonditore 3/E
40139 Bologna (Italy)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:46:41 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 24 May 2000 12:27:01 GMT,
Bloody Viking, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Csaba Raduly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: Anyway, you need to find the DIP switches (if any), specifically the
>: one that says "Auto CR" or something to that effect. That will do a CR
>: when receiving a LF.
>
>The inkjet is an el cheapo, so I'll need to do it in software. What is the
>way you make the carriage return character in C? I know about \n for the
>linefeed and the \f for the formfeed.
>
>At least I'll be able to print text with this brain-dead printer.
>
>--
If using redhat, us the printtool and click on the staircase button
for your printer.
or you can cat any unix text file through the following perl bit and
print the result which will have cr/lf instead of lf
#!/usr/bin/perl
# The above line should really have the whole path to perl
# This script must be executable: chmod 755 filter
while(<STDIN>){chop $_; print "$_\r\n";};
# You might also want to end with a form feed: print "\f";
#end
using chop is a little dicey since it chews off the last byte whether or
not it is an EOL or not, but in this instance, is pretty safe. If it worries
you, you can use chomp instead which checks for EOL before eating it.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:05:45 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24 May 2000 05:40:13 GMT,
Peter T. Breuer, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: The problem with ./configure;make;make install is that it has no
>: dependency checking for upgrades and removals. I can't check what program
>
>Eh? Some of us do make file lists for the software we install, you know!
>I have no problems with dependencies.
>
>(check out man find .. -cnewer, and mkpkg).
>
>Peter
Sure, you can replicate the functionality in RPM or Deb easily enough, but
not with just the ./configure;make;make install mentioned. (At least not
without the connivence of the writer of the ./configure script.) RPM allready
has this ability. Granted, it's not flawless, but no system is.
RPM is far easier for the newbies, and has useful features for those who
need them.
I wouldn't mind tinkering with a python based packaging system though.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:48:05 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 24 May 2000 07:48:04 GMT,
Bloody Viking, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: It's called the "Staircase Effect". Check out section 7.2 of The Linux
>: Printing HOWTO.
>
>I didn't know there was a name for this "staircase effect". I just figured
>that my printer was brain-dead.
It's because of the CR/LF vs CR vs LF of Dos/Mac/Unixen for EOL markers.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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