Linux-Advocacy Digest #713, Volume #26 Sat, 27 May 00 05:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (WickedDyno)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: democracy? (Mark Wilden)
Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com (Pete Goodwin)
Re: democracy? (Mark Wilden)
Re: any software can play the *.rm (real audio file) ("Jerry Wong")
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (WickedDyno)
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Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:11:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Well put Pete.
>
>Like I say all the time "try Linux for yourself" then come back to me
>and tell me how great it is.
>
>The nuts in this group live in a fantasy land.
Why do we have such extreme views? Sure I have problems with Linux, but
then I've always had problems with Unix shells - I've never liked the
cryptic commands used.
Yes, I don't plan to dump Windows 98 SE in favour of Linux, but then, I
don't plan to give up just yet on Linux. When Borland finally release
Kylix, it'll become very interesting. I'm already coding in Delphi on
Windows, doing it on Linux will be very interesting indeed!
>>Linux rules? Hah! Linux lags! I want a decent GUI - it seems I have to
>>have BOTH KDE and Gnome to get all the configuration tools (unless I
>>want to scrabble around the multitude of text files configuring the
>>system). I want to be able to use my Epson printer at 1400x720 DPI,
>>instead of 360x360 on Linux. I want my network card to work (works on
>>one machine but not another, huh?). I want my sound card to work, I
>>mean, how common does it have to be? SoundBlaster has been around a
>>LONG time, yet I had enough trouble getting that to work! The driver
>>running AHA1510, AHA1520 SCSI cards is the same one I saw years ago,
>>what progress there? Oh dear, do I have to use my AHA2940 to get
>>support?
I still think Linux lags behind Windows 98, but since I descovered lnx4win
is flawed a lot of the above points no longer apply.
It is annoying that a SB16 card isn't automatically supported, like the
AHA1510 but oh well, I've figured out how to use them now.
Pete
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From: WickedDyno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 03:13:04 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> > Spelling Camp. ;)
>>
>> How ironic, coming from the person who recently wrote: "Now it's
>> time for Microsoft to puck blood."
>
>"puck blood" is a comp.sys.mac.advocacy inside joke.
Posting for entertainment purposes again, Eric? I wonder what Cornell
would think of this use of their network resources?
> He spelled it correctly.
Prove it, if you think you can.
--
| Andrew Glasgow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
| SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical |
| reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat |
| to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods |
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Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:15:30 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8gmpjq$94q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>No i was not in denial... and he just admitted that the problem was his
>own error by installing linx4win and not a real install of Mandrake.
You said you didn't believe me. I mean, I made the assumption that lnx4win
works - how was I supposed to know that it doesn't? Isn't it a version of
Linux after all?
>Even if he was right then it would not be Linux's problem but the problem
>of the hardware vendors. Its simple.. never aquire hardware that cannot be
>used properly in Linux. I will certainly not!
You're saying SoundBlaster hardware cannot be used properly in Linux? Isn't
SoundBlaster the most commonly known name in Sound card circles?
>> >I dont believe you.. We have done a dusin or so installs of Mandrake,
>> >Redhat and Corel on different machines and never encountered a problem.
Oh yeah, I tried installing Corel Linux. It hung during installation.
Pete
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:17:42 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> EdWIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >Microsoft may have gotten the idea that the judge was biased
> > against them,
> > >and that they had no hope of getting a fair trial.
> >
> > It's more likely Microsoft got the idea it would be a good dodge
> > if they could convince enough people this was the case, or at
> > least sow reasonable doubt about it.
>
> It's looking more and more like the judge is burying himself.
Oh god don't you all wish beyond wild hope. But the Judge has a
combative, argumentative defendent who thinks they deserve his court's
time to chase red herrings. MS got to file their documentation and it
only took one afternoon.
> Denying MS
> the time to review the governments proposed remedies shocked most of the
> legal by-standers (including the DOJ, which expected the judge to give MS
> the time). Due process may have been compromised, and will certainly give
> them a lot more firepower in the appeals process.
MS wasn't shocked - MS had all their documentation with them and they
filed it that very day.
> > >> It could be, you know, that they put up a weak defense
> > because that's all
> > >> they had. Just maybe.
> > >
> > >Time will tell.
> >
> > Time has told. Now it's time for Microsoft to puck blood.
>
> I've never heard the phrase "puck blood" before. Whatever it means, it's
> probably not true yet.
Allchin's pucking blood right now. He's going to join the other MS
execs who take extended "vacations".
> There are at least 2 years of appeals processes
> going on, and it will take a minimum of 2 years after appeals for the
> supreme court to hear it. Nothing much will happen until that time, which
> is possibly up to 4 years away.
Duh, The Supreme Court is part of that 2 year appeals' process. It
could take up to 2 years to shattrer MS but meanwhile there can and will
be injunctions to control MS's behavior.
Last month, to boost moral, Steve Ballmer offered MS employee's a
discount on MS stock options to retain them - He offered the MS stock
it's lowest 52 week market value, ~65 ! Today the stock is under 62!
What a moral boost!
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Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:18:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8gmni0$2um$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Simply because every installation i have done since RH 5.1 have not given
>me any problems at all.. i have done many of those on RH , Mandrake and a
>few Corel Linux... Not one time was there a problem...and this even on a
>network. So allow me to be skeptical
>
>Try that with Windows!
I'm always getting problems installing Linux on my older machine, as it has
ISA cards in it.
I had no problems with Linux on the new machine, as it is all PCI.
I've had fewer and fewer problems installing Windows over the last few
versions. The last time I had problems was with NT 4.0 and that was just a
five minute hang. Since then, I've had no problems at all and I do a lot of
installations.
The fact is Linux is lagging behind Windows because every hardware
manufacturer is producing drivers for Windows. Anything done for Linux is
always an afterthought.
Pete
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:25:00 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Chris Wenham wrote:
>
> Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > By the same token, claiming that the procedures are seriously flawed and
> > difficult to use based on a personal episode can be misleading.
>
> Which is why I didn't.
>
> But I did say that I wanted a more granular update mechanism, and
> that points to what obviously is a flawed mechanism: The hideous
> amount of redundant code you download with every successive fixpack.
>
> The FixPack system is badly flawed for this reason alone.
I understand and yes it would be nice - but that download problem is
only a problem for those with ~56 kb modems. The media, like a zip
drive or a CD is more than ample for storage on the client side. A
more "intelligent" process would identify the OS state and then
downloaded only that which is needed but the goal is to install an
unambigous fix pack state so support is easy, not implement DLL Hell.
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Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:24:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Like what exactly? (giving up that is)
Unreal Tournament
Quake III Arena
...other games...
Some of these are on Linux aren't they? Tell me, do they support 3D sound?
Borland Delphi (coming soon as Kylix on Linux!)
Visual C++ (I'll stop chocking in a minute)
Netscape 4.7
"The Bat" (a mail reader)
XNews (a news reader)
Paint Shop Pro
CorelXara
Microsoft Word (eek! I like the cat! I'm really sad!)
Anti-aliased fonts
What I won't miss from Windows 98 SE (not Windows 2000):
The dreaded blue screens; the hangs on shutdown (a known bug in Windows 98
SE); the erratic paging of the whole system...
Pete
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Subject: Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:26:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mathias Grimmberger) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>AFAIK you can't run *any* Linux program (console or X) under Windows.
True.
But, er, it's always the mainstream OS that is emulated by the wannabees. I
saw this on my Acorn Archimedes - it had an emulator package for Intel, and
even had a plugin 486 and a driver to allow windows to work.
Pete
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:28:49 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
"Seán Donnchadha" wrote:
> You're out of your mind. The price of operating systems has remained
> roughly the same, while their power and functionality has skyrocketed.
> What the hell is wrong with that?
Windows 2000 is $300.
The price of harware has dropped while the power has skyrocketed.
As a fraction of the cost of a PC, the OS's slice is eating into the
pie.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:38:54 +0100
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> Technically speaking, citizens of the U.S. do not elect the president
Technically speaking, perhaps. In reality, they do (with the exception
you noted).
> truman was elected with fewer popular votes than dewey had), nor do we
> elect other members of the executive branch, or any members of the
> federal judiciary.
No, we elect those who do, however, directly or indirectly.
_Representative_ democracy.
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Subject: Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:40:06 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad) wrote in
<ihGX4.6337$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The article is at:
>http://www.stardock.com/stardock/articles/oswars2000.html
Excellent article, pretty much sums it all up.
Pete
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:44:21 +0100
Praedor Tempus wrote:
>
> Salvador is correct. You do NOT rule thru your representatives.
> You select a representative that you feel will best support your
> interests but they act on their own.
You select a representative that you feel will be the best
representative, and accept that they may know more than you do about
some things.
If the people don't rule (again, in theory), who does? What gets
prepended to -cracy, if not the demos?
(Of course, I'm quite aware that the people don't _really_ rule--I'm
just talking about the structure of the government.)
> A Senator is not simply a mouthpiece for the majority of voters
> in their districts/states. The US government is NOT designed to
> be majority rules. The US government is devised to protect against
> the "tyranny of the majority". The whole system is devised to
> protect the minority from mob/majority rule.
That's all very true. The people delegate to their representatives, just
as I delegate to the people I hire when I manage them.
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From: "Jerry Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: any software can play the *.rm (real audio file)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:00:35 +0800
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 27 May 2000 08:05:39 GMT
>Tell me about it. The HP 612 inkjet on my desk at work takes several
>minutes to print a single black-and-white page of TeX.
>
I have one of those... works fine under Linux, although I'll be the first to
admit it isn't the zippiest thing (especially if you're doing colour) the
Windows drivers (ironically) are true garbage. There is NO reason I shouldn't
be able to both type and print and get smooth performance.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 27 May 2000 08:43:38 GMT
>But they don't so you lose.
However, that allows us to properly attribute the ease-of-use or compatibility
issues. They are not a fundamental flaw of Linux, but a hardware-maker issue.
>But a Windows user needs not concern himself with all of that, and I
>do agree with you.
Actually, there are times when the drivers are inaccessible or awkward, so you
may have to or want to start looking for second best.
Example: I did a fresh Win95 (4.0.950) install on a machine with a Packrat
Bell sound/modem/waffleiron card, Aztech chimpset, used for sound only.
The proper driver isn't included with the system, and the actual driver is
weirdly packaged and difficult to find and install. I would have been happy to
have been able to use the SB drivers (for a SB 'compatible', non PnP card) but
they didn't work.
While that was the actual scenario, such a situation may be further exacerbated
by manufacturers actually going out of business or dropping drivers from their
web site. Where do you go from there today, Microsoft? }:-)
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Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
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From: WickedDyno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 04:54:19 -0400
In article <q5EX4.4804$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>EdWIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<s>
>> Time has told. Now it's time for Microsoft to puck blood.
>
>I've never heard the phrase "puck blood" before.
Ah, the legends of CSMA.
A famous Mac basher by the name of Ho You Kong once said something like
this:
We overclok our systems to the dismay of Intel and macheads alike.
Intel just shake they heads whilst macheads puck blood.
(I can't make Deja get articles older than 1999 for some reason, so I
can't provide documentation.)
The sublime moronity of this comment was so overwhelming that the phrase
has passed into general usage here.
--
| Andrew Glasgow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
| SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical |
| reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat |
| to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods |
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