Linux-Advocacy Digest #801, Volume #26 Thu, 1 Jun 00 05:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: History revision 1.27a (was Re: There is only one innovation that matters...)
(Alan Baker)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (budgie)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Geo)
Re: History revision 1.27a (was Re: There is only one innovation that matters...)
(nohow)
Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451691 (Bob Hoye)
header files (Michael Mamone)
Re: Strange behaviour (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
RE: Stuff you cant do with windows (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: MacOS X: under the hood... (was Re: There is only one innovation that
matters...) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: header files ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: Observations of a Lurker ("Jorge Cueto")
RE: Stuff you cant do with windows ("Jorge Cueto")
Window managers ("Jorge Cueto")
RE: Strange behaviour ("Jorge Cueto")
RE: Stuff you cant do with windows ("Jorge Cueto")
RE: Stuff you cant do with windows ("Jorge Cueto")
RE: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies ("Jorge Cueto")
Re: You all BAFFLE ME! CANT YOU READ?!?!?! (Was OS/2 isnt dead... I just forgot to
say Thank You to IBM...) ("Dolly")
news: Google Bets The Ranch On Linux. deployed 4,000 Linux servers, with plans to
increase to 6,000 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: History revision 1.27a (was Re: There is only one innovation that
matters...)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:42:46 -0700
In article <8h38fi$hvg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>: In article <8h0r7o$hv3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
>: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: >> By the definition that it took factors totally outside their influence
>: >> in order for it to have happened.
>: >
>: >Um, hardly. Outside their influence to get their foot in the door ?
>: >Certainly. Outside their influence to ram the door open thereafter ?
>: >Hardly.
>
>: They didn't get their foot in the door. IBM came to them. And when IBM
>: came the first time, Gates turned them down flat.
>
>Actually, this isn't quite correct. Bill wanted very badly to get into
>business with IBM. The problem was, that IBM came to Microsoft, thinking
>that since CP/M was packaged with their software, that they were its
>proprietors. However, Bill acknowledged that CP/M was the property of
>IDR, and he sent IBM to them. But Killdall decided to snub IBM in favor
>of a golf game, and so IBM came back to Microsoft, basically saying
>"you're all we've got". So, Bill and Steve recalled work being done on a
>CP/M clone at Seattle Computer Products, called them up, and stated that
>they wanted to buy it. The events to come unfolded from there.
>
>: And if IBM had realized the ramifications of designing a system using
>: off-the-shelf components and a too-easy-to-reverse-engineer BIOS for the
>: eventual cloning of the PC, they would have refused to accept the clause
>: where MS got to keep the rights to distribute DOS separately and what
>: could MS have done about it? Bupkis. They didn't have the power to _ram_
>: open anything.
>
>Microsoft was barely given any rights. As part of the stipulation, even
>though they owned QDOS legally, and licensed it to IBM, they would receive
>no royalties whatsoever for any of IBM's sales of it. If you ask me, I
>think IBM deserved to get shafted on that one.
You're going to have to provide some support for that one.
>
>If you're old enough to remember, IBM was actually much worse than
>Microsoft.
I remember very well what both of my parents had to say about "Big
Blue". They were both mainframe programmers.
>
>: >> powerful computer company in the world hadn't made either one of _two_
>: >> crucial blunders in producing the PC, MS would never have been able to
>: >> sell their OS on clones.
>: >
>: >Then probably DR would be where Microsoft is today.
>: >
>: >The point is they're not, Microsoft is.
>
>: That's purely supposition. You don't know what kind of person Gary
>: Kildall is/was. There is no supposition to the circumstances under which
>
>He's not making any generalizations about Killdall. He's just saying that
>stating "would have" makes no difference in regards to "what is".
Actually he's stating that what is what would have happened anyway if it
had been someone else instead of Gates. And that is just unknowable.
>
>: Microsoft lucked into the sweetheart deal of the century: it's
>: verifiable fact. And you were aware that IBM only came to Microsoft in
>: the first place because of family connections (Gates' mother on the same
>: board as the president of IBM, or some such) aren't you?
>
>Huh? This is completely wrong. Bill's mother was a homemaker, and known
>to do bits of charity fund raising here and there. Please tell me where
>you got this information.
A little charity fundraising, huh?
>From Gates' bio on Microsoft's site:
"Their late mother, Mary Gates, was a schoolteacher, University of
Washington regent and chairwoman of United Way International."
And from < http://www.smartlink.net/~migre.v/APXIB/bill.html>
"...and a director of First Interstate Bank."
And this: < http://www.compunotes.com/columns/notes152.htm>
"I was surprised to see they didn't mention the fact that Gates' mother
was a United Way board member with IBM's chairman at the time John
Akers."
>
>: Face it: Bill Gates didn't make it happen... ...it happened _to him_.
>
>No, Bill did make it happen. He took the opportunity of a lifetime, and
>risked losing everything to a then very greedy IBM. IMHO, that's pretty
>damned courageous, and IMHO, he deserves every penny he has.
He had the opportunity of the lifetime handed to him when he had
essentially nothing to lose. No courage necessary.
I mean what would you have done if a huge company had asked you to
develop an OS and you new where you could buy one that would make them
happy?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that
wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the
bottom of that cupboard."
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From: budgie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 05:19:19 GMT
On Wed, 31 May 2000 07:50:05 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Quoting budgie from alt.destroy.microsoft; Wed, 31 May 2000 06:38:45 GMT
>>Well, I don't know what happened in YOUR market sector in home video
>>recorders, so I'll tell you (at risk of boring you) with the .au
>>score.
>>
>>Beta was far superior to VHS. I doubt if you'll find any technically
>>aware person with the opposite view. Yet after a short struggle the
>>market share swung to VHS, and Beta died rather suddenly. It starved
>>to death, yet it was superior. Same as the O/S scene - Windoze is
>>clearly the most successful if market share is the measure. I don't
>>think you were convinced it is superior.
>
>It was superior for the market's requirements, to begin with; the market
>valued recording time far more than recording quality, and beta tapes,
>IIRC, weren't as "long" as VHS. The "technically aware" seem to have
>been unaware of what made a VCR "superior" in the competitive market.
>
>But let me stop right here by saying that this is only an analogy, at
>best. Beta isn't a a brand-name product; it is a patented _technology_.
>Windows isn't _technology_, it is a brand-name product.
That's a diversion. The analogy is entirely valid and relates to
market acceptance versus merit. BTW, what type of one inch system
does virtually the entire sub-broadcast studio use? Beta. Why?
because of its technical/quality superiority.
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From: Geo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.language.basic
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:30:04 -0700
Thank you T. Max! Now if you could convince the others of your fermented
group to do the same the problem would be solved. You do show you are a
civil gentleman :)
Geo
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Quoting Geo from alt.destroy.microsoft; Tue, 30 May 2000 21:11:08 -0700
> >This thread in alt.lang.basic has completely corrupted the intent of A.L.B.
> >Would you "expert" WARRIERS mind removing it to the other two remaining?
> >Or do you desire to make a new alt group more appropriate to your personal
> >field battles.
> >
> >Enough! Geo
>
> Done.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> Manager of Research & Educational Services
> Managed Services
> ELTRAX Technology Services Group
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
> my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
> applicable licensing agreement]-
>
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From: nohow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: History revision 1.27a (was Re: There is only one innovation that
matters...)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:54:52 -0700
On 1 Jun 2000 00:05:28 GMT, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>R. Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>: In article <8h38fi$hvg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: >Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>: >: Microsoft lucked into the sweetheart deal of the century: it's
>: >: verifiable fact. And you were aware that IBM only came to Microsoft in
>: >: the first place because of family connections (Gates' mother on the same
>: >: board as the president of IBM, or some such) aren't you?
>: >
>: >Huh? This is completely wrong. Bill's mother was a homemaker,
>
>: And also the first woman to sit on the boards of directors for
>: Seafirst Bank, Pacific Northwest Bell and a number of other corporations.
>: (Her father, and Bill's grandfather, was a major banker in the Puget Sound
>: area).
>
>And do you have proof of this claim? My statements corroborate the
>transcripts of "Triumph of the Nerds" documentary, so it's possible that
>their information was dated at the time of Microsoft's inception.
Her side of the family is very wealthy and well connected. Just a
homemaker doesn't get to sit on the national board of the American Red
Cross with the then IBM chairman Bill Akers(could be wrong about the
name). One of the books, Acidental Empires I think, has a great line
when the deal with MS was brought forward Bill Ackers words were "Is
that Mary Gates boy?"
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From: Bob Hoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451691
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 02:15:37 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Bob Hoye wrote:
> >
> > In article <3dLY4.17449$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Bob Hoye writes:
> > >
> > > >> Bob Hoye writes [to Eric Bennett]:
> > >
> > > >>> Don't you know? How ironic coming from the most prodigious Tholen
> > > >>> emulator.
> > >
> > > >> What makes you think that Eric Bennett is emulating me at all?
> > >
> > > > Posting for entertainment purposes again, Tholen?
> > >
> > > Obviously not, Bob.
> >
> > Common sense makes a cameo appearance.
>
> Obviously not, Bob.
Obviously.
Bob Hoye
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Mamone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: header files
Date: 1 Jun 2000 16:26:29 +1000
Hi. For an assignment I need to read and write to and from the parallel port.
Sadly, since we use Dos/Windows in DS171, I'm having a little trouble using
this stuff at home.
I was wondering, then, if there is an equivalent "dos.h" file for linux.
I've looked at some kernel headers and found "parport.h" and "parport_pc.h"
which seem to have methods to read and write to the port, but I'm yet to try
them.
=====BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Version: 3.12
GCS/CC>$ d- s-:- a--- C+++ >ULPP+++ L+++>$ E--- W+ N+ >o++++
K? w--- O? >M+ !V PS--- PE+++ Y-- !PGP t? 5 X++ >R+ tv++ b+++
DI+ D+ G >e+++++ >h++ !r !y*
======END GEEK CODE BLOCK======
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Strange behaviour
Date: 01 Jun 2000 07:11:53 GMT
>Which is the
>critical point that makes Microsoft different ? Sincerely I can't
>discover it.
Well, at this point (it may have changed by tomorrow):
1) 95% of all TV's don't turn on to one network by default. (Except when
Millionaire is on)
2) If you hope to start a new supermarket, you don't have to worry about
existing chains supplying you with their groceries to draw customers.
3) The phone company usually doesn't tell the novelist that if he doesn't join
forces with them, they'll start giving away novels to crush him.
These are differences between other markets and the MS situation.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: RE: Stuff you cant do with windows
Date: 01 Jun 2000 07:15:23 GMT
>
> It is beta2 now, where is that 2.4 again with good USB, SMP,
>and the rest of bells ? It is still beta. Again both mean nothing.
>
Get your 2.3.99 or 2.4.0-test or whatever it's called now. The big difference
is that John T. Public can get 2.4 betas, but can he download Datacentre betas
off of the net? Can he go down to Fry's and buy one? Do the Win2000 boxed
sets include a copy of Datacentre beta 1 (SuSE 6.4 at least actually includes
an [admittedly old] 2.3 kernel source package)
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: MacOS X: under the hood... (was Re: There is only one innovation that
matters...)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:31:32 +1000
"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8h4anc$n3p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gee... WindowsNT has been doing this since, oh, v3.1. *sigh* Come on
> > Apple... you people should have been first in line with this one.
>
> There was no product called Windows NT 3.1. Perhaps you are thinking of
> Windows For Workgroups which later became Windows NT 3.51.
Eh ? You're way wrong on that one I'm afraid. The first version of NT was
3.1 (~92), replaced by 3.5 (~93) and then 3.51 (~94). And Windows for
Workgroups certainly didn't become NT 3.51.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: header files
Date: 31 May 2000 23:48:52 -0700
>
>Hi. For an assignment I need to read and write to and from the parallel port.
Have you considered using Java for that?
download the Java Serial Port (COMM) extension classes and check out
http://java.sun.com/products/javacomm/index.html
(these classes do serial and parallel).
This way, your program is also portable, and you never have to worry
about header files again ;)
Nasser
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Observations of a Lurker
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:13:13 GMT
> Whats with you people and Netscape under Linux??
> I dont get it. It runs perfectly all the time, it never crashes (and i
have
> 5 -6 windows open), it does not crash on Java applets.. it does everything
> Netscape for Windows does and i think its even more stable than Netscape
on
> Windows.
> The Java thing was something that belonged to Navigator pre 4.7. Since
> version 4.7 i have had no problems with it.
I've used Netscape from 3.0 to 6.0 (still unstable), while I now use
4.72; and
I must say that it uses to freeze. In fact, with Java and Javascript turned
on (I've
turned it off by default) it is almost unuseful. I am not trying to do FUD
in here, just
my personal experience. Nothing to say about Netscape under Windows, because
at Windows 2000 Pro, I use IE 5.01, which by now have never frozen. The
truth is
the truth, and that's mine. I wish Opera is good and then forget Netscape
forever.
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Stuff you cant do with windows
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:12:53 GMT
> Get your 2.3.99 or 2.4.0-test or whatever it's called now. The big
difference
> is that John T. Public can get 2.4 betas, but can he download Datacentre
betas
> off of the net? Can he go down to Fry's and buy one? Do the Win2000
boxed
> sets include a copy of Datacentre beta 1 (SuSE 6.4 at least actually
includes
> an [admittedly old] 2.3 kernel source package)
Of course no :-) I was just a kind of playing with my words, I like 2.4
:-)
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Window managers
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:13:01 GMT
With all of my respect to another users, choices, developers and
lovers, I have to say this : long life iceWM (with no GNOME and
no KDE tricks compiled in) !!! The best one, the only one, the most
useful one, the ... I'm going to cry :-) All of my congratulations to Marko.
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Strange behaviour
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:12:19 GMT
> 2) If you hope to start a new supermarket, you don't have to worry about
> existing chains supplying you with their groceries to draw customers.
Have you ever tried to ? ;-)
> 3) The phone company usually doesn't tell the novelist that if he doesn't
join
> forces with them, they'll start giving away novels to crush him.
Here at my country, the phone company still is almost God.
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Stuff you cant do with windows
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:12:25 GMT
> Now, let's be clear here --- GNU/linux just can't do it *with your card*.
> GNU/linux can do "it" just fine with a number of other cards.... And
> I speak from personal experience (although I have to admit to only
> doing 50 fps, as I live in PAL-land ;-). There are two Iomega Buz in
> the machine in the next room.
Agree. Just wanted to point that there are Windows areas and GNU/Linux
areas, a 50 machines cluster is not for Windows (he!), and a playing machine
is not for GNU/Linux. Just by now ... let's allow the future talk :-)
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Stuff you cant do with windows
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:12:34 GMT
> Wow. We agree nearly entirely.
Now, then let's got to drink something :-)
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Linux+Java, the best combination of techologies
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:12:46 GMT
> I have been thinking of what is the best technologies to use for a major
> software project, I came up with the combination of Linux+Java as
> the best techologies to use.
> I can not think of anything better. Java provides the portability
> and good language to use, Linux provides a solid platform to
> develop Java applications on. (Solaris is also a very good platform
> to use).
> Any one thinking of developing user applications must be crazy not
> to consider Java. Good language, portable, well documented. Linux,
> is solid platform, good platform for development.
> We live now in the best times for software development, thanks to everyone
> who brought Java and Unix for us.
Well, I think in fact and nowadays, Java runs better at a Solaris machine
(and
if Sun hardware used then for sure), although it is much more expensive too,
of
course. Anyway, I do not like Java. I see a lot of good things in it, and
can't even
really tell you why I do not like, but definitely I do no like it. There
were object
oriented languages before it (C++, Ada, SmallTalk, ...), all from what I
prefer
Ada (in fact, there are Ada compilers that generate Java bytecode), the best
language I have never seen until now and since Locomotive Basic :-)
Java portability seems to me just a little stupid thing to convince poor
minds. Let's
examine it. It relies on having the interpreter on every machine it have to
run, doesn't it ?
Well, it is then like saying that GW-Basic was portable if each machine to
run its
programs was available at each required platform. I besides prefer source
code portabilily,
which gives you both portability and maximun performance and flexibility.
Sun could have
reached the same goal, offering a good compiler for free for each
development target on
the market, and programs would have run faster, used less resources and
fixing better
if needed to a specific machine. Just my opinion, I almos hate Java, it
sucks for me.
On the other way, if you need or like Java, then I think GNU/Linux + Java
is a good
choice, and thanks to let me spit all of my Java hate :-)
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From: "Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: You all BAFFLE ME! CANT YOU READ?!?!?! (Was OS/2 isnt dead... I just
forgot to say Thank You to IBM...)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:02:26 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-To: "Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 30 May 2000 13:36:47 GMT, John Poltorak wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
>
>>Oh - and if you missed the request for beta testers for Warp CLIENT v5, too
>>bad.
>
>Erm....
>
>You can't just trot out an off the cuff remark like that without opening
>yourself to ridicule, and lack of credibility.
>
>I missed it, and I expect every other OS/2 user missed it.
>
>I regularly look through all the newsgroups, subscribe to half
>a dozen OS/2 mailing lists, scour Warpcast, OS2BBS, OS2.ORG
>for news on a daily basis. I subscribe to DevCon and Software
>Choice and was on the Aurora beta test program, and look for
>anything which could be interpreted as a hint that IBM is
>planning a new version.
Ah - and you are an IBM Solution Developer Partner (now
by whatever name they call it and our company refers to it
as)? And an IBM Business Partner to boot? Hmmm... didnt think
about that. "Gee I read magazines, and I paid for updates to
my OS/2 Warp... how come no one told me?" Perhaps
you should check out ecomsystems... guess who's doing it?
(No, not us... BUT... they can confirm whether or not certain
companies have been told about a beta signup.... any guesses
who it is? And a web search wont bring up much - and the URL
will bring up less - a Network Solutions page saying basically
"Coming Soon"... but all I can say (as a hint) is remember
what Stardock proposed about making certain agreements
to release a client version? Well... find the company that is
much closer to doing it, and you can find out much more
about upcoming betas... because I cant say more :-)
>Past experience has shown that they
>always signal the arrival of a new client well in advance of
>the Service End Date.
Nope... that isnt quite true either - as was the case with Warp
Server 5, and Warp Server 4's Service End Date...
Besides... as you seem to have missed... IBM announces
the Service End date ***BEFORE THE PACKAGE IS
EVER SHIPPED!!!!*** And the statement of such ends up
right in such a convenient place as the box the software comes
in. They REITERATE it on their site sometime after the
package has been out for all those people who never
read the license and warranty agreements. And in the case
of Warp 4, extended it 3 extra years...
BTW... other people here in the know have alluded at the
beta period as well... and IBM did make an announcement
of when it would be if it was an open beta, btw... matter
of fact, someone online already even mentioned a month
for it's commencement... and it wasnt me, so dont start digging
out my posts if ya wanna know when.
>In this instance the Service End Date has
>already been announced but no follow on product has been
>alluded to, leaving long time OS/2 users such as myself to draw
>the only logical conclusion that there will be no further revisions
>of OS/2.
The only logical conclusion is that assumptions make...
>
>>There might be another request... though (as of now), there is only supposed
>>to be one beta test period.
>
>Your credibility is on the line here...
Uh huh... well, by know you have read the rest of the article...
And if you check back in the groups... *I* was the one who told
all the people like you that the Warp 5 Server Beta was going to
be soon - a few months (2.5 months) before they announced
it - even gave you the date... *and just like this time, I wasnt
the only one...* people like you trotted out the same assumtions.
>
>>Doesnt anyone ever read anymore instead of just whine?
>
>Where could anyone read about this request for beta testers of a
>Warp CLIENT v5?
Search IBM's site... the name isnt set. So, it's not yet called Warp 5,
and may never be... there is some new catchy name they've been
playing with... 3 actually - but at least one has been mentioned on
the newsgroups. I already gave you (a probably easier source) for
the info as well... (or at least a VERY big hint as to the source).
Dolly
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: news: Google Bets The Ranch On Linux. deployed 4,000 Linux servers, with
plans to increase to 6,000
Date: 1 Jun 2000 01:06:30 -0700
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-05-31-006-06-PS-DP-SV
TechWeb: Google Bets The Ranch On Linux
May 31, 2000, 04 :07 UTC
"Search engine Google has deployed 4,000 Linux servers, with
plans to increase to 6,000 this year, making it possibly the
largest Linux installation in the world."
"Google said it turned to Red Hat (stock: RHAT) Linux primarily
because of the cost. The OS itself costs nothing, compared
with $500 to $900 per server for Windows servers. And the
hardware is also cheap. Red Hat runs on commodity white-box
PCs rather than more expensive RISC Unix servers."
"Support was another factor in choosing Linux, Google said. The
company has Linux expertise in-house, and values the ability to
look at the source code to correct problems, rather than
having to rely on a vendor. And where the in-house expertise fails,
Google has found the Linux community responsive with fixes."
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