Linux-Advocacy Digest #801, Volume #34 Sun, 27 May 01 08:13:03 EDT
Contents:
It just keeps on getting better! (Nico Coetzee)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Chad
Everett)
Re: Opera (kosh)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Rick)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly (Peter Hayes)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:42:41 +0200
From: Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: It just keeps on getting better!
A while back I told you how impressed I was with Mandrake 8.
Well, the story continues...
A friend of mine was bragging about figuring out how to share a modem on
his home network (proxy set-up). He had to do a lot of research, and
eventually got hold of a nice freeware tool called JANA Proxy.
Important to know is that when he started he had no knowledge of
networking, IP numbers etc. He had to learn from scratch everything,
just to get JANA up and running. Configuring the other single client
machine also took a while.
Anyway, I dragged my box over to his house and decided we should see
what Mandrake can do. In short, the whole process was completed in less
then 10 minutes after I booted up. His two computers was next, and it
took another 15 odd minutes (including a reboot for each machine) to
set-up as clients, and everything worked as planned. He could access WWW
sites, e-mail, newsgroups and also use FTP. All-in-all, the whole set-up
took 30 odd minutes.
You see, everything happens from the Mandrake Control Center. The only
thing you needed to know was how to set-up the client PC's ! Since
Mandrake configures the whole set-up to use DHCP, you don't need any
knowledge of IP numbers etc.
There we go - sharing one Internet connection on a home network in no
time at all. No mess, no fuss.
Now for the M$ lovers - He was using Win98 on the PC with the modem and
Win95 on the other client. I don't know Win98 that good, but there is
supposed to be some tool to help share Internet connections (or is that
on ME?). Anyway, neither one of us could get it on his system. The help
files didn't help at all. BUT, Linux worked out of the box. During the
config I did for Internet Sharing, Mandrake at some point shorted some
tools, and after a prompt to insert the appropriate CD, the installation
and configuration continued without any further human intervention.
I honestly don't know how Linux can become more user friendly than this!
Just thought I should mention this little incident, in case some fool is
still not convinced that Linux will eventually dominate all Desktops.
Cheers,
Nico
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 May 2001 17:47:01 -0500
On Tue, 22 May 2001 14:09:25 -0400, JS \\ PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have to say, Linux Mandrake 8 was looking real damn good. Support for all
>my hardware (for once) easy set-up, even seting up networking and connection
>sharing was painless. Good newsreader - Knode, pretty stable OS. I even
>liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when switching users
>(unlike Win2K) I was actually contemplating using it much more often and
>only using Windows for apps I need to use that aren't available on Linux.
>But....
>Well after half a day checking out the new XP OS, I have to say IT KICKS
>MANDRAKE ASS!!
>
Can I setup Windows XP at home so that I can log into it via ssh and have
a server running that acts as a proxy web browser, allowing me to
browse the web from my machine at work over an encrypted channel and
bypassing the filters on my company's firewall? And do all this with
out-of-the-box free software?
Can I use Windows XP to redirect it's output over an encrypted network
port so that I can run applications on my home machine from my machine
at work, complete with GUI features? And do all this with out-of-the-box
free software?
Can I use Windows XP as a NAT server and firewall and allow the machines
on my LAN to all share a single internet connection? And do all this with
out-of-the-box free software?
Can I use Windows XP as a software development platform with the software
that it comes with, without the need to purchase additional software for
lots of money?
I can do all this and more with linux, for free.
With Windows XP, I'll even need to buy additional software to create
professional documents, presentations, spreadsheets, and databases.
I can do all this with Linux with out-of-the-box software.
....Oh...but I forgot.....now you can log in and log out of Windows XP
and not kill your internet connection. Wow!
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From: kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 04:40:43 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Todd wrote:
>
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 26 May 2001 20:38:38 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> (Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <1104_990887593@terry>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>> >> Many of you seem to be having troubles with your browsers and the
>> >> features some of them have. If you want a really useful, Linux
>> >> compliant browser, try Opera.
>>
>> >It was great until it crashed.
>>
>> Mine's NEVER crashed, and I use it all the time.
>
> Ok, so other poster's versions did crash and took Linux with them (as in
> the core dump from the previous poster who uses linux).
>
> And you just claim that you use it "all the time".
>
>> Netscape and IE crash
>> every few days.
>
> They crash 'every few days' which is implying you don't use Opera all the
> time ???
>
> Which is it?
>
>> And they're slower and less powerful than Opera.
>
> So why do you use *both* Netscape and IE then???
>
> I use IE all the time and it is far faster and far more stable than
> Netscape. I used Opera once and just didn't like the feel. (Although it
> never crashed on me under W2k).
>
> -Todd
>
IE is not really faster. Instead its caching is broken. It ignores caching
directives on pages and even ctrl or shift reload don't force the browser
to reload. Instead they suggest it reload. What this leads to is many sites
seem to load lightning fast when you go there again because the browser is
actually loading a cache copy.
Actually opera has some of the same behavior on this one. Mozilla and
konqueror do not seem to have this behavior normally. I have seen a few
times where it acted strange like that but so far they have been very good
about fixing bugs. It seems they sometimes get confused by certain
combinations of http headers. However Opera and IE seem to always be
confused.
>
>
>
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 07:04:22 -0400
Charlie Chan wrote:
>
> On Sat, 19 May 2001 19:09:51 GMT, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >What about the system configuration stored in /etc? Is that compatible
> >across different distros?
> >
>
> Why would it be compatible? Distros sometimes use different config
> methods. Certain files can be copied, hosts for example, but why would
> you expect different distros to have the same exact config? There
> would be no difference if everything is the same. I know that sounds
> basic, but that's where you seem to be at.
You expect configs to be the same becasue you are using the same basic
OS. Distrbution differntiation should be expressed in configuration
files, but in applications and utilities present. There should be a
basic set present in all Linux distros.
--
Rick
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:19:07 +1200
> What a Ubermoron, hes not scared of a Kiwi, hahahahahahaahh!
>
> They'll hold ya up in the air by the skull (using only one hand), while
they
> bite ya feet off, you twit.
>
> In one classic battle with the English, the Maori warriors, went and
re-loaded
> the guns of the dying soldiers, cause the battle wasn't lasting long
enough!
If I was a US citizen, I would be happy that there are African Americans,
because if there weren't, you would have a whole country like Utah, filled
with boring white people, listening to blue grass music whilst going from
door to door "preaching" about god.
What do the Americans have has a challenge when their teams go over seas?
for a country that is that is older than New Zealand, they don't have much
in the way of culture, unless you include hamburgers and Elvis as "culture".
I have a feeling ubertrol is just one of those people. A person who lacks
style, culture and maturity maturity. So that I don't have to hear his TPT
responses, I've just kill filed him. Not because I disagree with his
responses, but because not one of his posts get into the nitty-gritty
details of Windows vs. Linux. All he gives in superficial responses based
on no technical knowledge what so ever.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
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I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:22:48 +1200
Read the post dim witt. I was pointing out that the install when fine and
dandy, however, I found, after uninstalling some stuff I no longer needed,
my internet connection failed to work.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
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I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b0d8342$0$56152$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ei5rg$hm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > 14 to 16 MB's of memory? You have one of the most F'd up Office
> > > configurations imaginable, or your normal.dot is 10MB's strong. No, I
> > doubt
> > > that as I don't think you can code with VBA.
> > > Winword, the executable name for Word, is running on right now on this
> pc.
> > > MS Outlook Express, which you love to hate but love to use, as you did
> to
> > > make this post,
> >
> > Get a life "~¿~" , or better know as, Mr "I'm too chicken to use my real
> > name".
> >
> > If you read my post I said I was testing out Windows 2000 SP2 since Jon
> had
> > raved on about how great it was going to be, and how fast it is etc etc.
> I
> > am running now it, this is my second install, the first install fucked
up
> > after two days.
>
> ahahahahah - you know, without even asking the details and without a shred
> of proof - I'm perfectly confident in declaring you are full of crap. I
> think we've rolled out over 30,000 installs of SP2 at 18 clients so far
and
> not one NOT ONE has "fucked up" - and here comes the great anti-MS zealot
> and, surpise? his is fucked up. you are SO predictable...
>
>
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:28:20 +1200
> The very first sentence is an editorial comment
> "Further evidence of Microsoft's uncanny..."
>
> That's an "opinion".
No, thats a fact. Microsoft has been riding the high horse in regards to
pirated software, and treating customers like shit. Ring up and ask for a
new activation number for Office 2000 after re-installing it! Hello,
Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition finished over 400 years ago!
Do all Septics suffer from Chads Anal retention? no wonder there are so many
social problems over there.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:31:18 +1200
Yes my problems would be solved. Also, your snide commments are not
warrented.
There were no DNS problems. I checked the DNS server properties, still on
automitic detect, like normal. Checked proxy settings, no problems. I then
made a new dial up config and tried AGAIN, and still it continued to stuff
up.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:3b11013d.190374774@nntp...
> On Sat, 26 May 2001 23:01:23 +1200, "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flung this gem:
>
> |Rang up the ISP, and they said everything was normal. I couldn't even
get
> |their home page which is on a server at the end of the line!
> |
> |Matthew Gardiner
>
> Why is this crap cross posted to windows advocacy and nt advocacy as
> well as cola? I smell a horrid little troll.
>
> Anyone who installs software like gozilla probably installs all sorts
> of lousy software on their system. It's this same sort of user who has
> to reinstall windows because they don't know how to properly
> troubleshoot and fix windows problems created by installing crap in
> the first place. Reinstalling windows _is_ sometimes the only answer,
> but you un install this crap web software, then end up with what
> sounds like a dns problem, or a simple network config problem at the
> very least, and you can the entire installation? Go back to using
> Linux for your internet usage and quit posting with Microsoft Outlook
> Express!
> Your problems will be over, no?
> Yikes.
> Eat your own dog food for Pete's sake!
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:32:40 +1200
Just as a follow up, maybe you should find out why I am using it. I have
posted several times that I was reviewing SP2 Windows 2000 Pro to see if it
lives up to all the hype Chad Myers and Jon have been going on about.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
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I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:3b11013d.190374774@nntp...
> On Sat, 26 May 2001 23:01:23 +1200, "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flung this gem:
>
> |Rang up the ISP, and they said everything was normal. I couldn't even
get
> |their home page which is on a server at the end of the line!
> |
> |Matthew Gardiner
>
> Why is this crap cross posted to windows advocacy and nt advocacy as
> well as cola? I smell a horrid little troll.
>
> Anyone who installs software like gozilla probably installs all sorts
> of lousy software on their system. It's this same sort of user who has
> to reinstall windows because they don't know how to properly
> troubleshoot and fix windows problems created by installing crap in
> the first place. Reinstalling windows _is_ sometimes the only answer,
> but you un install this crap web software, then end up with what
> sounds like a dns problem, or a simple network config problem at the
> very least, and you can the entire installation? Go back to using
> Linux for your internet usage and quit posting with Microsoft Outlook
> Express!
> Your problems will be over, no?
> Yikes.
> Eat your own dog food for Pete's sake!
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:32:59 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 27 May 2001 11:55:03 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The great thing about the home computers is that they had the OS in ROM
> and the reset key on the keyboard (the Break key on the BBC was wired to
> the reset pin of the 6502), so if a program crashed you reset and 1/2 a
> second later is was running again.
And amazingly, if you typed "old" you got your app back even after the
reboot.
Peter
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:39:21 +1200
Not only that, but your boss also has to justify to the shareholders why
they needed to partake in a large capital investment into new software.
Here's a good idea, strip the whole computer suite out (I am assuming basic
office tasks are being done), grab a nice, juiced up server, then, grab some
Wyse, either Linux or UNIX X-Based Terminals, throw up a nice hefty back
bone of around, say, 10gigbit's, dedicated 100/10mb connection from each
terminal to the server.
Then wait a few months and see the TCO hit the floor. Boss is happy because
he gets a bonus for decreasing the running costs and increasing
productivity, and the shareholders are happy as they will receive a larger
dividen.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > I am the blue screen of death
> > Nobody can hear your screams
>
> Tell that to my boss. I always hear him
> screaming "I hate Bill Gates". But he never
> listens to me when I say "strip that 98
> and at least install 2000." And, of course,
> Linux is out of the question. NMCI wants
> to take our machines awayyyyyyyyyyyyy!
>
> Hey, our Windows network at work is
> slowing down three of our users' workstations
> to unusability. IT is mystified. Maybe
> they can get some support from Monopolysoft.
> Maybe it will get better at $350/seat/month
> with this new NMCI boondoggle.
>
> Bwaaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
>
> Chris
>
> The subject should read "Windoze dead on my
> desktop."
>
> --
> Please enter your Message Activation
> Code now to read this message
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 27 May 2001 11:40:07 GMT
On Sun, 27 May 2001 02:34:55 +0100,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2001 21:53:02 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>> flatfish+++
>>> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
>
>>Because it flounders.
>>
>>(I said that just for the halibut.)
>
> Stop it, you're giving me a haddock.
Spot the red herring ?
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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