Linux-Advocacy Digest #892, Volume #26 Sun, 4 Jun 00 18:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north ("Colin R. Day")
Re: IBM finally admits Drestin Black may not have a clue... (Christopher Browne)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Christopher Browne)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Trevor Zion Bauknight)
Major linux problem "permissions" (post_Reply)
Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages) (Arthur)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Eric Bennett)
Re: The sad Linux story (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The sad Linux story (Pete Goodwin)
Testing the waters... ("winn")
Re: Why UNIX Rocks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: W2K BSOD's documented *not* to be hardware (Was: lack of goals. ("Christopher
Smith")
Re: Why UNIX Rocks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux, OS of the gods. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: How Pete Goodwin Can Fix "The sad Linux story" (Brandon)
Re: Linux, OS of the gods. (Charlie Ebert)
Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The Mainframe VS the PC. (Mike Marion)
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:47:56 -0400
John Wiltshire wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:11:10 GMT, Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 06/04/2000 at 02:43 AM,
> > John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> >> know all this. The reason most of these companies are still on the
> >> older systems is because they work and the effort to change outweighs
> >> the benefit. Now think if they install a new computer (most companies
> >> grow). They can no longer purchase a Windows license for that machine.
> >> They have to run something different to the rest of the machines. This
> >> will cause a very large support and admin overhead. Increased costs mean
> >> decreased profits. Negative economic impact.
> >
> >Wrong. Most companies have a surfeit of excess licenses which is a direct
> >result of MS's policy of requiring a copy of Windows with every processor
> >an OEM sold. One of our typical MS based clients has about 120 machines
> >and well over 200 licenses. During 1999, we sold hundreds of machines
> >thanks to Y2K, each with a Windows 98 license most of which were redundant
> >licenses because they were replacing 386 and 486 machines which had
> >licenses.
>
> You'll find the 386/486 machines probably had Win3.x or Win95 licenses
> and not Win98 licenses. MS hasn't required a license with each
> processor since about 1995 when they got told they weren't allowed to
> do that, so the licenses you are talking about are definitely not
> Win98 and probably not Win95 either.
>
> >Moreover, if BG closed down the company, who would care about licenses?
>
> Any copyright lawyer who wanted to make some money?
And what standing would this person have?
>
>
> John Wiltshire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: IBM finally admits Drestin Black may not have a clue...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:53:46 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Mig Mig would say:
>Dolly wrote:
>>
>> So now you stoop so low as to try to create war between
>> Linux and OS/2 users that gets it's basis from your
>> twisted imagination?
>
>This fool has tryed the same thing between FreeBSD and Linux people.. again
>he was not succesfull
>
>> Get a life... I think KMart has them on sale this week...
>
>He's got one in the porn business.
Apparently running a Porn site + playing Quake.
I'd take the guess that the Porn business has proved lucrative enough
to provide the time to play around as he likes on Usenet.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
There is no distinction between any AI program and some existent game.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:03:49 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when poldy would say:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>All in all, foolish Canadians try to convince themselves and
>>others that our ridiculous tax rate and inefficient socialist
>>wealth-distribution schemes are a net benefit to the taxpayers.
>>
>>They are not.
>>
>>And so, someday, I will expatriate myself, pay for medical
>>insurance, and be able to afford a better car. Sweet.
>
>Health insurance, even the ones provided by employers, are chipped away
>every year. Your benefits are reduced (higher deductibles, copayments)
>year after year even as they increase premiums.
>
>You can get the best medical care, if you're willing to pay for it.
>Otherwise, you go to the care providers designated by the insurance and
>HMO companies. Doctors and insurance groups sue each other as
>businessmen decide on the medical necessity of certain procedures.
>There's a case in Texas where the insurance company refused to pay for a
>respirator and home care for a boy. The outcome of the trial could
>determine how insurance is administered.
>
>Health care is a mess in the US because the politicians have been bought
>off by the insurance companies. Any attempt to extend coverage is
>smeared as "socialized medicine" as if good health care is a privilege
>belonging only to the elites.
>
>I remember reading that as antiquated and impoverished as the facilities
>are in a nation like Cuba, every citizen gets basic and preventative
>care. That's not even true of a lot of Americans who earn above the
>median and average incomes.
This nicely shows the politicization of the situation.
There is no lack of propaganda against whatever scheme the gentle
writer considers to be beneath contempt.
There are some significant problems with the health systems _all
around_, whether in Canada, the US, Cuba, the UK, and, very likely
elsewhere.
By using caricatures of political systems to demonize particular
approaches, this distracts people from even thinking about the real
problems.
By calling the Canadian system "socialist" or "communist," this nicely
distracts people from any useful insights that _could_ be found there.
The debate in Canada tends to involve only comparisons between
Canada, the US, and _sometimes_ the UK, with argumentation polarized
on political grounds.
Politics certainly can have an effect, but such polar views provide
no route to actually forming _positive_ policy...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
There is no distinction between any AI program and some existent game.
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From: Trevor Zion Bauknight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 17:06:28 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Daniel L. Dreibelbis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Annex Canada and make it the 51st state? <g>
> >
>
> not bloody likely. Last time the US tried to annex Canada was the War
> of 1812 - and Canada wound up handing back the US Army their asses on a
> platter with a side of mint sauce (proabaly provided by Laura Secord). :)
Um...that was in 1812.
Trev
--
"I think Trevor is an idot. Just the kind of robot President CLITton likes.
Supid people!" - Husker Kev
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From: post_Reply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Major linux problem "permissions"
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 17:08:24 -0400
I've designed a few web pages and added some perl scripts, now the
problem, no one can access the scripts, root can't, users can't. It
says "permission denied" or something like that. I've tried every way
possible to fix this, maybe there is a bug with mandrake 6.2 ???
I've set the permission for everyone to excute,read,etc...And the cgi
is in the right directory.
I never seen anything like this before, I've posted msg. on every
linux ng, and everyone more or less says the same thing "chmod XXX,
etc"
Well, I've been over everything, and this is really holding back my
learning process.
I'm ready to build another linux machine and try again, or maybe just
D/L a program that will allow me to program in perl on my windows
machine.
I want to set up a linux web server, I have all the how-to's, book,
etc. But with all the problems, one has to wonder: there has got to
be a better way to do this.
I love Linux, but when you are trying to learn something and the OS is
holding you back, that is not acceptable. With linux there are way to
many silly undocumented problems specific to one machine, one install,
or one distro.
I'd love is someone can hold me get past this hurdle so I can continue
to learn more and more....
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Subject: Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:13:26 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8hebpp$rk3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Obviously Samba is more than you can handle - so stay away from it.
>Networking can be a very complex endeavour that you simply are not up
>to. Its hard to admit Pete... but i think you will feal much better if
>you concentrate on end-user applications
Oh dear, so I can't use my old PC to act as a file server? I can't run
Linux on it with Samba, is that what you're saying? Oh dear, does that mean
your advising me to install Windows 98 SE on it?
As for telling me I'm not up to Networking, let me see, which one of the
groups did I work for at Digital. What was it's name? Intranetworking?
Routers? ISDN? I'm not a network expert but I know a thing or two.
>Kind of.. i suspect you only have one eye open.. but again youre the one
>having the problem. BTW i recomend using dejanews when searching for
>peculiar problems.. i use it when dealing with Windows problems.. much
>better than any knowledgebase or HOWTO.. but again its required that one
>"can read" (so to say remove the crap out there)
I found all the documentation on smbfs, including smbfs.txt. Guess what, it
refers back to smbmount. Unfortunately what I don't find is an example of
how to use it in fstab.
>Ohhh.. if you can find some undocumented then i would be surprised. It
>would also mean that youre a troll.. i hope youre not, but if you are
>youre certainly a well behaved one. Its actually a joy to be trolled by
>you Pete (If youre a troll)
If I find something undocumented that makes a troll? What stone did you
crawl out from under? It means the documentation is inadequate, not that
I'm some sort of troll!
>> >Why is the bible involved? Rementer "God helps those that help them
>> >selves".. in other words : RTFM or piss off... God approves my
>> >comments to you.
>>
>> Not in any bible I know. Care to quote chapter and verse please? AS
>> for god approving of your comments, I don't think he gives a damn.
>
>Well.. i was translatting from danish.. but you must remeber something
>quite like that.
I remember something like that from the Koran, but not the bible.
Pete
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Subject: Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:15:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8heb15$q8p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Those man pages have been there forever and doing a fine job. I must
>admit that they are not particular easy to read , but everything you
>need to know as an enduser is actually there. This is unlike f.ex. the
>Windows helpsystem that really is of no help if you want to resolve
>problems.
They've changed, I remember man tar was far more descriptive in an earlier
version of Linux.
As for Windows help system, I agree. Pretty weak.
Pete
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Subject: Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:15:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I have never had problems printing from the GIMP. Hell, I had a 2MB
>JPEG file that expanded to around 20MB as a BMP and printing it was a
>doddle. IIRC it took <20s to actually start printing.
Where's Print on the menu? I checked - it's not there.
Pete
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Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:17:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jens Prüfer) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I think I'd rather use Digital Standard Runoff.
Pete
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:06:58 -0700
Mig Mig wrote:
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >To quote the smbmnt(8) man page: ".. refer to the smbfs.txt file in
> > >the Linux kernel Documentation directory." It's not hyperlinked,
> > >but for anyone knowledgeable enough to need that info, that would
> > >seem to be sufficient.
> > Oh I'm sorry, I was looking under smbmount. Ah yes, it really makes sense
> > now, I should have been looking under smbmnt. Oops!
Oh, gee. The documentation wasn't optimized exactly for Pete
Goodwin's particular needs. I know that when I look in the
index of any book for an entry it always is conveniently
annotated with "this is the exact entry Arthur Frain is
seeking", so I never have to try two or three different
pages before I find what I'm looking for.
> > Um, doesn't this just demonstrate the weakness of the man pages? If I can
> > find nothing under smbmount, which I did know points at smbmnt, but didn't
> > think the clever developers would HIDE it there, shouldn't the text be
> > updated?
Nope - it just further reinforces my opinion that you are inept
and ignorant (as well as of dubious honesty). Anyone who is
searching for information and gives up after the first try is
clearly inept or ignorant. Sometimes you have to look in (gasp)
two or more places to find the info you want. And since you're
even aware that 'smbmount' points you to 'smbmnt', you are clearly
clueless in the extreme or very poor at creating scenarios to
support your trolls.
> Ahh.. someone now suddenly starts to use both eyes when reading man pages.
> Youre making progress Pete.
> > >It's not the criticism - it's the ineptness and ignorance you display
> > >in this and other posts.
> > Really? A bit like the ineptness of the online help available in Linux.
Hardly, since the info you were looking for is there, with links
to it in fairly obvious places. Bashing Linux for your own
shortcomings/laziness is unseemly.
There actually *are* things about Linux that merit criticism.
Perhaps if you knew *anything* about Linux, you'd be able to
point out some of these things rather creating fantasies in
this and other threads.
> Those man pages have been there forever and doing a fine job. I must admit
> that they are not particular easy to read , but everything you need to know
> as an enduser is actually there. This is unlike f.ex. the Windows
> helpsystem that really is of no help if you want to resolve problems.
Arthur
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 17:21:42 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> It's the attitude with which you attack the problem that is
> most relevant, not how well you were born. Punishing the
> successful merely for your own jealousy is not productive.
It's both. Where would Bill Gates be if he had been born in some
AIDS-stricken African nation? He might have done well, considering his
circumstances, or he might have died as a child. World's richest man?
No way.
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
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Subject: Re: The sad Linux story
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:23:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Strange. I just tried the same. It works just like it should; add
>selection by pressing CTRL.
I tried again, and this time it worked as I would have expected. Most
peculiar. Maybe I've found a (horror!) bug in kfm?
>All the KDE programs i know return to the last directory used with me.
I tried again with this, I got dropped back into my home directory.
Pete
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Subject: Re: The sad Linux story
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:26:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8hebtv$rk3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Actually the first ISO with Mandrake 7.0 had some error on it... If you
>have that one then i would recommend that you update the ISO image.. it
>came out 2-3 weeks later.
I bought Linux Mandrake 7.0 Delux. Does that have the error? I hope not, as
downloading ISO images on a 56K modem at 1p a minute would not impress me
in the least!
Pete
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From: "winn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Testing the waters...
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:26:44 GMT
Let me preface my remarks by saying I have been using a
Macintosh since 1989. Before that I had only the most
rudimentary introduction to unix/xenix and x-windows. Financial
pressures are forcing me away from Mac. I have never had need
for a command line interface. I develop content in a small
industry. I will use a word processor and a few other programs.
I spend a lot of time on the Net.
I have heard about a project called Easel which will make Linux
easy enough for people like me. I loathe Windows 98 as I have to
use it at work every day. Are there any other products out there
like Easel that will let me configure an small linux machine?
Conversely, are there any book written for creatives like myself
that will help me understand Linux?
Thank you for your time,
Ross Winn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Why UNIX Rocks
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:31:33 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2:1) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The OS on the BBC was not called RISC-OS, it was calles AMOS (acorn
>memory operating system). It later evolved in to RISC-OS which is the
>best single user OS that I have seen.
Yeah, RISC OS rules!
Pete
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K BSOD's documented *not* to be hardware (Was: lack of goals.
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:47:39 +1000
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> > There's free software that will do it, same as X.
>
> How does one obtain it?
One trundles around a Windows shareware site looking for it.
I can't give you any direct links because I personally don't care for
virtual desktops, so I've never tried to find software that does it.
> > Turn on single-click in the Tools->Options menu.
> >
> > Why you'd want to is beyond me though, one of the things I disliked
about
> > KDE the last time I used it was you couldn't turn the damn feature *off*
(at
> > least not easily).
>
> Why would want to turn it off?
Because single click is a pain in the arse, that's why (IMHO).
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Subject: Re: Why UNIX Rocks
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:36:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Ahlstrom) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>What a clown! Trying to compare a mainframe OS with Linux. Who cares?
Mainframe? Oh yes, VMS runs on mainframe systems, but VMS mostly ran on
mini systems.
Pete
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Subject: Re: Linux, OS of the gods.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:41:49 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Unix is 30 years old this year!
I can hear the creaking back here. Pass the zimmer frame quick.
>Unix is another thing! It's on a great many computers!
>It's the default commercial OS adopted by everyone!
Really?
>It multitasks better than Windows and other commercial OS's!
Hmmmm... after watching my desktop stutter trying and failing to print a
file, I'm not so sure...
>It has one of the most powerful command sets ever conceived.
It has one of the most powerful and cryptic command sets ever foisted on an
unsuspecting public.
>It was written over that 30 years with a set of goals in mind!
It had goals?
>Linux is the UNIX which is a Windows KILLER!
>Windows was a Unix killer.
>
>Linux is a Windows killer.
Linux needs to be sorted out before it can even become a Windows killer.
Pete
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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 17:45:21 -0500
From: Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Pete Goodwin Can Fix "The sad Linux story"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ***Sarcasm ON*****
>
> "So fix it yourself if you don't like it. You have the source code"
>
> ***Sarcasm OFF****
>
> The school my kids attend has them designing their own web pages using
> Front Page as early as the third grade.
>
> Some of them are pretty good too.
>
My company (a web hosting company) uses RH Linux on all the server (over
500) and we have a hell of a time making FP work correctly. The extensions
don't uninstall correctly; the techs (I'm one of them) always has to
uninstall them manually and then reinstall them and make sure they are
installed properly. Even if just one FP extension directory is left over
the whole installation craps out. You would think by doing a 'rm -R _*'
that it would get rid of the directories, but it doesn't. The _vti_cnf
directory is ALWAYS left over and of course because it is FP the directory
is in EVERY SINGLE subdirectory of the user's web directory and of course
they have to be removed in every single location or, as I said above, FP
won't reinstall correctly. Hopefully we won't support FP for much longer. I
can't wait to get rid of it from all the servers.
>
> I'd love to see the looks on their faces when some Linux nut tells
> them to use a text editor to write the HTML.
>
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 02:44:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >In article <8h6tau$5fp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
> >
> >> So, improve these help documents yourself! This does not
> >> require a rocket scientist, nor even a programmer. The simple
> >> HTML you're talking about can be written with a plain text
> >> editor (preferably using a couple of macros to insert the
> >> tag skeletons), or I'm sure there are plenty of HTML editors
> >> you can use. One of the main things the man pages need is
> >> lots more *examples*.
> >
> >Linux has got to be the only system where the _user_ consistently gets
> >blame for the problems with the system. According to collective wisdom
> >on comp.os.linux.advocacy, not only is it my fault that I don't see a
> >strinking resemblance between the word "biff" and the concept of e-mail
> >delivery notification, but it is also my fault that Linux crashes so
> >much -- because I haven't root caused all of the bugs and submitted
> >patches. If you are going to take that attitude, why bother entering
> >advocacy at all? All other systems -- most of which are of demonstrably
> >better quality than Linux -- have clearly defined vendors who are
> >interested in fixing the bugs before the product ships.
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, OS of the gods.
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:49:48 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >Unix is 30 years old this year!
>
> I can hear the creaking back here. Pass the zimmer frame quick.
>
> >Unix is another thing! It's on a great many computers!
> >It's the default commercial OS adopted by everyone!
>
> Really?
>
> >It multitasks better than Windows and other commercial OS's!
>
> Hmmmm... after watching my desktop stutter trying and failing to print a
> file, I'm not so sure...
>
> >It has one of the most powerful command sets ever conceived.
>
> It has one of the most powerful and cryptic command sets ever foisted on an
> unsuspecting public.
>
> >It was written over that 30 years with a set of goals in mind!
>
> It had goals?
>
> >Linux is the UNIX which is a Windows KILLER!
>
> >Windows was a Unix killer.
> >
> >Linux is a Windows killer.
>
> Linux needs to be sorted out before it can even become a Windows killer.
>
> Pete
Pete,
I believe that a man who is having trouble installing his first Linux
distribution
shouldn't be making these kinds of jackass comments.
That's #1.
#2. If your really having all this trouble with your Linux distribution
I'm going to
say that either your machine is screwed, your CD has some kind of error,
or your screwed.
Okay.
Where you NEED to be if you want some help is down in Linux QUESTIONS or
LINUX hardware.
This is the Advocacy newsgroup for people who advocate Linux.
It's not the BITCH.LINUX group. That's the one down the road.
Take Care
Charlie
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Subject: Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:51:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Oh, gee. The documentation wasn't optimized exactly for Pete
>Goodwin's particular needs. I know that when I look in the
>index of any book for an entry it always is conveniently
>annotated with "this is the exact entry Arthur Frain is
>seeking", so I never have to try two or three different
>pages before I find what I'm looking for.
What I want is a help system that helps me, not the mess that I see when I
got a-hunting through the joke the Linux supplies me.
>Nope - it just further reinforces my opinion that you are inept
>and ignorant (as well as of dubious honesty).
I'm not responsible for your opinion. You can have any opinion you like of
me, it matters not at all. The fact that your opinion is so way off is your
problem, and I might feel sorry for you.
> Anyone who is
>searching for information and gives up after the first try is
>clearly inept or ignorant. Sometimes you have to look in (gasp)
>two or more places to find the info you want. And since you're
>even aware that 'smbmount' points you to 'smbmnt', you are clearly
>clueless in the extreme or very poor at creating scenarios to
>support your trolls.
There's that troll word again. Curious. There's another assumption here
that I gave up without trying hard enough. Really? Sigh. I went looking for
information and gave up because all the information said the same thing AND
NONE OF IT EXPLAINED HOW TO USE SMBFS in fstab.
>Hardly, since the info you were looking for is there, with links
>to it in fairly obvious places. Bashing Linux for your own
>shortcomings/laziness is unseemly.
I'll keep on bashing I think. Where's the example of how to use smbfs in
fstab?
>There actually *are* things about Linux that merit criticism.
>Perhaps if you knew *anything* about Linux, you'd be able to
>point out some of these things rather creating fantasies in
>this and other threads.
What fantasies? Oh yeah I forgot. Allegedly I'm a troll. Because I find
holes and point them out, I'm a troll. The mere fact that I'm actually
being honest gets lost somewhere.
Pete
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Mainframe VS the PC.
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:58:24 GMT
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
> UNIX servers were bigger boxes and maintences was managed primarily
> through cron jobs, watchdogs, and shell scripts. The UNIX
> administrators rarely left their desks. The NT administrators
> were jumping all over the shop trying to find failed machines and
> recover them before the users notices.
Wait, I'm getting an odd feeling... oh yeah it's deja vu. :)
The nicest thing about most Unix systems (from Sun, HP, etc) is the fact that
even if the OS completely falls over for some odd reason, if you're properly
setup you can still admin them from your desk using the serial console.
> Mac, the Atari 520ST and 1040ST, the Amiga, and UNIX boxes such
> as the AT&T 6300 (which supported Tektronix 4010 graphics) the IBM
> PC/RT, the Sun 1 and Sun 2, the Apollo, and the DecStation.
Actually unless they used the 6300 model name for another box, or it also ran an
AT&T Unix, then I'd have to say you're wrong about the AT&T box you mention. My
family's first PC was an AT&T PC 6300 (perhaps there was a separate model with
the PC indicating a DOS box) that's still out in the garage. Still works too,
but the monitor is fried and the monitor connection is proprietary. I still
remember getting that huge 20Meg hdd and thinking that I'd never be able to fill
something so huge. :)
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Criminal: "Hey, ain't you the dude who caught that burgler?"
Thurgood: "It's *aren't*. And yes, I be him."
- The PJs.
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