Linux-Advocacy Digest #892, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 22:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Baseball (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Windows 2000 is Cool (Ray Chason)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Communism ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Communism (theRadical)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Michael Vester)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Richard S. Sandmeyer)
I Love the BSA (Tim Hanson)
Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents? (Ray Chason)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Scott R. Godin")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! (Brent R)
Re: Women's rights and responsibilities. (Brent R)
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:20:02 +0200 (CEST)
Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eeped:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >
> > how many retailers sell linux machines again?
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> > p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
>
> Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
> free downloadable operating system.
funny, i could have sworn i saw a bunch of nerdos whining about how
mean old microsoft was preventing retailers and vendors from selling
machines with linux preinstalled via those mean nasty monopolistic
agreements.
it is good that at least one person concedes that linux's absolute
failure to penetrate the desktop is entirely the fault of the system
rather than blaming microsoft for its woeful inadequacies.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:30:08 +0200 (CEST)
"Laura M. Hagan" <doesn'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nunnayabidniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:44:52 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> I don't know about other people, but the repulsive feelings I have about
> > >> it are pratty damned instinctual...
> > >>
> > >> The first time I ever heard of it, (mentioned in a medical textbook) my
> > >> thought was, OH, GROSS!...
> > >
> > >And your point is?
> > >
> > >-Ed
> >
> >
> > homosexuality is not genetic, it is a choice.
> >
> > The feelings we have about it are for self-preservation of our
> > species, and they are right.
>
> Then why don't we have the same feelings about celibacy?
real men do
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:35:08 -0000
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> +------------------------+
>> | PLEASE |
>> | |
>> | Do not feed the troll. |
>> | Thank you. |
>> | |
>> | The Management |
>> +----------+ +----------+
>> | |
>> | |
>> | |
>> | |
>> | |
>> * () ( * )(| @( )( * %@ )
>> ( )( ))( || (|)| )( )((
>> --------------------------
>
>
>Is this sign GPL'd?
BSD'd. WTF, it's not like I can make any money from it anyway.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:38:58 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c3fhh$afs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > No, you are completely wrong. You do NOT have DLL "hell" under W2K -
> >> > period. AND with XP there is now the ability to have multiple
> >> > different versions of a DLL in different directories that particular
> >> > apps can call and load simultaneously and NOT affect other versions.
> >> > In this way MS has leapfrogged Unix (again).
> >>
> >> Uh...
> >>
> >> $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> >>
> >> -Ed
> >>
> >
> > I think that one flew over his head.
>
>
> It probably did. he seems to know very little of UNIX's capabilities.
>
> He probably doesn't even realise that you can have different versions of
> the same library coexisting happily in the same directory as well.
>
Yes, why should a directory where an app resides have anything to do
with the library you want to load?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:41:47 -0700
"Gunner ©" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:41:11 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >theRadical wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:12:14 -0700, Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:31:15 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >ANYBODY who seeks to enslave others sacrifices any claim to his own life.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Hope that helps.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> which means soooo [sic] much coming from a fucking idiot twat such as
> >> >>> yourself.
> >> >>
> >> >>Gonna come say that to my face?
> >> >
> >> >WEEEEE! I get dibs on the video rights! And we can split the fee when
> >> >we send numbnuts body to a medical school.
> >> >
> >> >Aaron... try to draw it out as long as possible, so we can see lots of
> >> >his blood and hear the sounds of breaking bones.. Ive already got a
> >> >buyer for the master tape.
> >> >
> >> >Gunner
> >>
> >> why doesn't it surprise me that a sick gun nut fuck like gunner would
> >> think such trash?
> >
> >Because he's got a good sense of humor. :-)
> >
> >Sue
>
> Thanks Sue!
>
> And of course..I have a good business sense as well. I could indeed
> sell a video of Aaron giving the Radical a serious attitude adjustment.
> ..Afterall.. wouldnt Libertarian/Conservitive, with more than 6 weeks
> on the net.. love to see a troll who's limited vocabulary includes
> "sick gun nut fuck" , get his shit scattered? Then there are the
> T-shirt rights...and the bumper sticker, beer and popcorn
> residuals..hence the request to draw it out as long as possible.
>
> T-shirt example:
> Front Side..
> "This is a troll." (picture of a gnormlish nerd like Radical in front of
> a computer)
> Backside..
> " This is a troll after Aaron" (picture of a roadkill with a sandaled
> foot and clawed, broken fingered hand, sticking out of the puddle)
>
> Picture the Budwieser frogs... "grease" "a" "troll"
Could you post a price list please. <G> Any discounts available?
Sue
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (theRadical)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:15 GMT
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:43:17 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>theRadical wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:10:20 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >theRadical wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:27:59 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:26:20 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:49:32 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:31:15 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:06:25 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >the Democratic Party is a bunch of Marxists, who, knowing that using
>> >> >> >> >> >> >the name Communists would be bad PR, engage in a campaign of
>deception
>> >> >> >> >> >> >to get the populace of the country to vote for their own
>enslavement.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >ANYBODY who seeks to enslave others sacrifices any claim to his own
>life.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Hope that helps.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> which means soooo [sic] much coming from a fucking idiot twat such as
>> >> >> >> >> >> yourself.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Gonna come say that to my face?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> i'm still waiting for you to show up to repossess my vehicle and
>> >> >> >> >> explain your ridiculous theory that a ship captain is nothing more
>> >> >> >> >> that a paper pusher.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Spot the strawman arguments.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> strawman? you threatened to confiscate my car as part of you duties
>> >> >> >> as a law enforcement officer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Wrong on two counts.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I said, by your logic, I should, as a government agent, be able
>> >> >> >to confiscate your car
>> >> >>
>> >> >> wrong, you said you WERE a government agent
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, I am.
>> >>
>> >> well then, show up and confiscate my vehicle asshole.
>> >
>> >That wouldn't be fun...you'd be expecting me.
>> >
>> >Nah, it's much more fun to snatch it when you least expect it,
>> >and have made absolutely no provisions for alternative methods.
>> >
>> >You know...those alternative methods that you insist EVERYBODY ELSE
>> >should be using.
>>
>> you are nothing but a chicken shit usenet bully. why don't you quit
>> spewing your crap and shut the fuck up.
>
>So, in other words, when TheRaDICKal wants the government to steal
>everybody's self-defence tools, that's ok,
i NEVER have advocated confiscation of weapons dick head.
>but if the government
>wants to steal TheRaDICKal's car, that's a horrid crime.
what government? i am waiting for you to show up and try to take my
car you lying piece of shit.
talk about strawman.........
>
>Game
>Set
>Match.
yeah, right.
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:40:04 +0200 (CEST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
> Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:39:02 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:45:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >Wrong. I enjoy the company of American women very much.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >However, forming a legal association with one is hazardous
> >> >> >> >to a man's wealth.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, forming an association with you can be dangerous for a womans
> >> >> >> health.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Are you asserting that I have a venereal disease?
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you? No, I did not assert that.
> >> >
> >> >Then your assertion is false.
> >>
> >> Well, if that woman divorces you, and the judge awards her alimony,
> >> by your definition she "enslaves" you and you are entitled to kill
> >> her. ^^^^
> >
> >you misspelled 'not pay'
>
> I know it's hard to believe, but Aaron actually said kill. he has
> many times said "enslavers" forfeit their right to live.
it is an interesting question just how accountable the dupes and puslaps
of the socialist empire (alimony collecting golddiggers, welfare
recipients, antitrust supporting haters of microsoft) should be held for
thier destructive conduct.
i myself prefer to counsel suicide for the parasites along with
promoting the relentless imposition of informal social sanction by
the productive members of society against said parasites.
far better than throwing your whole life away eliminating just one
parasite is to devote some small effort towards the establishment of
a cold cruel regime of pure unalloyed indifference towards the puling
of the weak and absolute devotion to the protection property rights
through the prudent use of floggings, victim restitution, and executions.
ah yes, floggings... we can start with the traitor robert bork...
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:07:21 -0700
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS PL wrote:
> [snip]
> > The users did not "choose" Microsoft OS's. That choice was made when IBM
> > chose MS-DOS, and Microsoft railroaded per-processor licenses, which
> > were also tied to things like Word.
>
> Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
> and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
>
UCSD P-System.
> MS-DOS was the early favorite because it worked, it was cheap
> in both money and memory, and most importantly, it was
> available immediately.
>
> It was also so trivial that it bought Microsoft
> very little. It was Windows that put MS where
> they are now- but that is another story.
>
> [snip]
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard S. Sandmeyer)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:42:40 GMT
In article <0voF6.35066$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS PL wrote:
> [snip]
> > The users did not "choose" Microsoft OS's. That choice was made when IBM
> > chose MS-DOS, and Microsoft railroaded per-processor licenses, which
> > were also tied to things like Word.
>
> Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
> and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
>
The other one was the UCSD p-system. Xenix and other flavors of UNIX for
the PC came along later but weren't among the original PC OS choices
offered by IBM.
Rich Sandmeyer
richsand at iximd dot com
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:41:58 -0700
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I Love the BSA
Linux spreading rapidly in Latin America BY JAMES HILLS
LinuxWorld.com 4/24/01
"On the other side of the struggle are American corporations like
Microsoft and the Business Software Alliance. As a result of the poverty
of local nations and other social issues, pirating software has become
generally accepted in Latin American companies that cannot afford to
purchase software legally. But by lobbying for tighter laws like the Lei
de Software in Brazil, American companies are forcing Latin American
businesses to re-examine their IT strategies. Paying full price for
proprietary software (which is not practical for many), or using
proprietary software illegally and facing steep fines or even prison
time, are unpalatable choices for local businesses. American companies
may actually be forcing themselves out of the market by passing such
laws; they have left a gaping hole for Linux to fill."
http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2362/LWD010424latinlinux/
--
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible."
-- Walt Disney
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents?
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:49:52 -0000
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I had this idea/nightmare the other day, and was wondering how feasible
>> it was. I'm sure this isn't strictly the best group, but there's a lot
>> of MS bashing going on, so why not? Now, if MS were to entirely close
>> the standards for MS Office document files in the next version, would
>> they be able to take action against Apple and Sun for AppleWorks and
>> StarOffice respectively under the terms of the DMCA? After all, if MS
>> don't give them
>> permission to read their new document format but they go ahead and do
>> it
>> anyway, they're breaking down proprietary 'encryption' (document
>> format). If they say they close the standard to prevent unauthorised
>> copying of documents, even better? Sorry to those of you who lose sleep
>> over this malign vision :)
>> So, how feasible is this all?
>
>
>Fortunately, the Open Source movement is a global phenomenon. Not all
>countries have such silly laws.
What the DMCA bans is circumvention *without the permission of the
copyright holder*. So there's the question of whether the thing
being accessed is the file format (without Microsoft's consent, and
is this a copyrightable work?) or the contents of the file (presumably
*with* the consent of the author).
One for the lawyers, I suppose, and IANAL.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: "Scott R. Godin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: 25 Apr 2001 02:02:51 GMT
In article
<0voF6.35066$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
| and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
|
| MS-DOS was the early favorite because it worked, it was cheap
| in both money and memory, and most importantly, it was
| available immediately.
|
| It was also so trivial that it bought Microsoft
| very little. It was Windows that put MS where
| they are now- but that is another story.
Interestingly it was the MacOS that forced Microsoft to put Windows on
the map at all. :)
--
unmunge e-mail here:
#!perl -w
print map {chr(ord($_)-3)} split //, "zhepdvwhuCzhegudjrq1qhw";
# ( damn spammers. *shakes fist* take a hint. =:P )
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:02:56 GMT
Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > Texas Instruments (first IC chip)
> > Intel (first Microprocessor)
>
> TI had the first microprocessor, although the 4004 - half a year later -
> was the first with obvious market success.
>
> --
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
The 4004 was first at Fairchild, before the TI. But, as one Fairchild VP
put it, "what happens if you drop your computer on the floor" (all
laugh). So the Fairchild team bought the rights to their design and,
eventually, sold Intel on the idea.
Thus Fairchild had the first microprocessor by some months.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:05:43 +0100
> Making a program setuid-root under *nix makes it switch to root
> completely
> automatically, and programs cannot be made setuid-root by mere mortals.
Not only that, but most programs designed to be setuid root will give up
their root previlages as soon as they have done what they need to do as
root (eg get access to a device).
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:05:32 GMT
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> Now, I don't think you can even boot into DOS with Windows ME.
Yes you can... actually I successfully set up a dual-boot on a Windows
ME laptop and I had to boot into DOS to use Partition Magic (it wouldn't
work from Windows).
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men
Subject: Re: Women's rights and responsibilities.
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:08:09 GMT
Danielle wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:57:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen
> Morgan) wrote:
>
> >In soc.men, Jill wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:10:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen
> >> Morgan) sent through the ether:
> >>
> >> >In soc.men, Brent R wrote:
> >> >> Stephen Morgan wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In soc.men, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:01:19 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >> > > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> >> > > > >>
> >> >> > > > >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:17:32 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >> > > > >> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> >> > > > >>
> >> >> > > > >> > Never been in Saudi Arabia, have you, so please keep your ignorant
> >> >> > > > >> > stereotypes to yourself.
> >> >> > > > >>
> >> >> > > > >> I'm not invoking "ignorant stereotypes", I am quoting what I believe
>is
> >> >> > > > >> a fairly good source.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Well, considering that I ***LIVED*** In Saudi Arabia for a year, I say
> >> >> > > > > that your source is full of shit.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > You've found very little in the way of flaws in my source.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I don't need to "find" the flaws...they are self-evident from my own
> >> >> > > PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF LIVING IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR A YEAR
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > All you've
>done
> >> >> > > > is dispute the assertions I've made about clothing. Note that the
>document
> >> >> > > > I cited acknowledges that westerners are not as restricted in terms of
> >> >> > > > clothing.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > But many of the points still stand. Are women allowed to drive, or leave
> >> >> > > > the house without a male relative ?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What about it?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > They get many privileges, and many restrictions
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In contrast, in the United States, we have stripped all of men's
> >> >> > > privileges, and all of womens' restrictions, giving us a society
> >> >> > > where men have all the responsibilities and restrictions, and women
> >> >> > > have all of the privileges.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > In other words...FEUDALISM.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You obviously have very little idea of how the feudal system worked.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Working Class
> >> >> > The proletariat so beloved of Marx and Engels are still alive and well and
> >> >> > living in vast areas of terraced housing in the major industrial cities.
>Alf
> >> >> > Garnett was their hero and he was adopted by US TV and renamed Archie
>Bunker.
> >> >> > They dislike foreigners, toffs and anything new. They watch the telly, go
> >> >> > down the pub, watch the match on Saturday and go to spain to get drunk.
>They
> >> >> > fight our wars and fight at football matches. Not a pretty sight.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh yeah I remember Alf! From Melmac right? Remember that time he tried
> >> >> to kill that cockroach but the spray just kept making it bigger and
> >> >> bigger! Haha... Gawd the hilarity that insued!
> >> >
> >> >I must admit, I really have no idea who Alf Garnett is.
> >>
> >> No I think the poster above is referring to the late 80's sitcom about
> >> a furry little muppet type alien named ALF (Alien Life Form).
> >
> >I have no idea who he is either.
>
> Pretty much what the poster said he was. I sort of remember the
> program, I would have been quite young at the time, but I did have an
> ALF teddy bear. (blush)
and the sitcom audience goes: "awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww."
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- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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