Linux-Advocacy Digest #892, Volume #34 Fri, 1 Jun 01 14:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered (Fred K Ollinger)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered (Stephen Cornell)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe ("Vallely's Dirt in
Boss King's Ditch..")
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Bob Hauck)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (pip)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
("Chad Myers")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
("Chad Myers")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in (Michael Vester)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Toon Moene)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
dust!
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:15:12 +0100
> *sigh* Why not ask X why they're still stuck in 1990? Either way, if
So are you saying that Linux is at fault because Logitech made a track
ball designed to work under Windows, not Linux?
> Linux wants to remain competitive on the desktop it will have to do
> better than this.
It has nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with Logitech.
> I read an article a while back on how each OS should
> just stick to their respective markets, and we'd all be better. Windows
> should stick to the desktop (where it does a better job than Linux), and
> UNIXens should stick to servers, workstations, routers, ... all the
> industrial-strength stuff.
Mabey so, but as it happens, Linux is great on the desktop.
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Subject: Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered
Date: 1 Jun 2001 16:16:33 GMT
Electric Ninja ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > Isn't it interesting that Microsoft was doing a "linux is communist"
: > propaganda campaign a while back...when, in fact, they are the ones
: > whos behavior is right out of Stalin's playbooks....
: The red star-shaped Mozilla logo is nearly identical to what used to be
: painted on former Soviet warplanes.
One of the most important things I learned about computers and one of the main
reasons that I like linux is that you should not believe the pictures that you
see on the screen.
Fred
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:24:34 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Please highlight the passage in the article that says this (please
> quote).
> All I see is a server hack not an Apache problem.
"The cracker who broke into the Web servers of open source development
site SourceForge has broken cover to boast of his exploits, and brag he
also compromised the systems of the Apache project."
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:34:40 +0100
The Xebot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Just like Microsoft, the Marxists first create the problem, and then
> offer the solution backwards.
So, life for the peasants in Czarist Russia was a bowl of cherries, was it?
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:29:21 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Do you really need to put this link in reply to EVERY article ? Is there
> no end to your lack of common sense or intellect ? The link does not
> even back up your initial claim.
I said: "I see an Apache server has been hacked."
The article says:
"Gaining control of this SSH server, which provides a Unix command line
interface for remote administration of Web servers, allowed Fluffy Bunny
(in his words) to "sniff my way onto apache.org and SourceForge Web
server and leave all sorts of goodies in the code".
So, Apache.org and SourceForge have both been hacked. What may I ask is
apache.org running? Apache? Hmmm?
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:44:13 GMT
On Fri 01 Jun 2001 02:26, Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <zlyR6.47997$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> Using xkill. Most window managers map Ctrl+Alt+Esc to run xkill, which
>> gives you a skull-and-bones cursor that lets you blow any arbitrary X app
>> out of the water, no additional skill required. Much easier than the
>> Windows (either 9x or 2K) alternatives.
>
> Yes I've tried that. It certainly kills the window. Unfortunately, it
> does not necessarily kill the process behind the window, as I descovered
> on a number of occaisons.
>
Odd, but conceivable if the app is threaded and a subthread created the
window.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:31:35 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> You are a troll, and even worse... a moron. You can't even backup your
> arguments and just repeat dalsehoods over and over again.
What's a dalsehood?
I am not a troll. Apparently you cannot even read. Go back and reread
the article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19350.html
What does it say? It says both SourceForge and Apache web servers were
hacked. Apache.org runs Apache!
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:35:07 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Peter the problem with you is that you don't read the full article and
> understand what it means. I am glad that people like you exist, because
> adverting agencies would be out of business otherwise.
"Gaining control of this SSH server, which provides a Unix command line
interface for remote administration of Web servers, allowed Fluffy Bunny
(in his words) to "sniff my way onto apache.org and SourceForge Web
server and leave all sorts of goodies in the code"."
Seems to indicate both SourceForge and Apache have extra code added.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: "Vallely's Dirt in Boss King's Ditch.." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:35:47 -0500
Yet you frequently agree with that little bastard fascist N9NW0, who
wants a police state, run by zeroes like YOU..
I say you are a fascist, as well as a liar.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "Vallely's Dirt in Boss King's Ditch.." wrote:
> >
> > Also, there's the fact that you ARE a proven right wing fuckhead..
>
> Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
>
> I opposed fascism and nazism just as much as i oppose communism
>
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > jet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > chrisv wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >chrisv wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >chrisv wrote:
> > > > > > >> At least if I'm ignorant about something, I don't shoot my mouth off
> > > > > > >> about it, unlike you, who likes to play "wannabe expert" on every
> > > > > > >> subject imaginable....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Wrong. I claim no expertise in numerous fields.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Okay, change "on every subject imaginable" to "on nearly every subject
> > > > > > which arises in this newsgroup, and in which most of, you are very
> > > > > > much out of your depth."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >For example hindi, farsi, chinese, and a multitude of other foreign
> > > > languages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow, I'm really impressed. I'm surprised that you haven't claimed
> > > > > > fluency in Chinese, then refused to provide proof (you'd just say
> > > > > > "jump"), just like many of your other claims.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hope that helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It didn't. Your anal, literal interpretation of what I wrote just
> > > > > > made you look like an idiot bent on ignoring my point.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying that I should interpret your words in some way
> > > > > other than what you wrote?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do what you say. Say what you mean. One thing leads to another.
> > > >
> > > > You mean like you are going to take Steve Chaney to court like you said you
> > > > would?
> > >
> > > There's no point in a libel suit against a man who no longer has any credibility.
> > >
> > > do the fucking math.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > LOL.
> > > >
> > > > J
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > K: Truth in advertising:
> > > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> > > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> > > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> > >
> > > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > >
> > > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > >
> > > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > >
> > > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> > >
> > > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > >
> > > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > her behavior improves.
> > >
> > > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > ...despite (C) above.
> > >
> > > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > >
> > > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > >
> > > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:13:35 GMT
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:31:35 +0100, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What does it say? It says both SourceForge and Apache web servers were
> hacked. Apache.org runs Apache!
No, it does not say that. It says that the _machines_ running those
sites were hacked, not that the web server was the entry point.
The Apache and Sourceforge people are saying that the attack was based
on sniffing passwords. Someone's ISP was hacked and due to carelessness
or whatever, this gave the attacker a password on Sourceforge. They
then repeated the technique to get into apache.org.
This is probably the most common break-in around. I've had it happen to
me. It is much easier to hack root if you can start from a legit shell
account. The admins are less likely to notice what you're doing for one
thing, and of course a local attack is usually easier than attacking a
network service directly.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:31:04 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> What's a dalsehood?
I meant falsehood.
> I am not a troll. Apparently you cannot even read. Go back and reread
> the article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19350.html
>
> What does it say? It says both SourceForge and Apache web servers were
> hacked. Apache.org runs Apache!
See Bob's reply
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
dust!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:40:23 -0500
"Craig Gullixson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f8cpd$1bg7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[SNIP]
>
> > Either way, if
> >Linux wants to remain competitive on the desktop it will have to do
> >better than this.
>
> This over a minor issue regarding a trackball? Mountain Molehill.
No, over a huge issue of not having good accessibility for disabled
or otherwise different people who have different needs, including,
but not limited to input. Some people simply CANNOT use a regular
hand-held two or three button mouse. The trackball problem is the
tip of the iceberg.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
dust!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:41:47 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f8f2e$gvn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > *sigh* Why not ask X why they're still stuck in 1990? Either way, if
>
> So are you saying that Linux is at fault because Logitech made a track
> ball designed to work under Windows, not Linux?
No, we're saying that X doesn't have a good accessibility design (or
none at all) and that the windowing system shouldn't force requirements
on the hardware. This trackball was made to be a trackball. It works
in Windows because Windows doesn't have such silly limitations like
X.
> > Linux wants to remain competitive on the desktop it will have to do
> > better than this.
>
> It has nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with Logitech.
With X, rather, and it's inability to cope with alternative input
devices.
-c
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:14:32 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Craig Gullixson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9f8cpd$1bg7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [SNIP]
>
> >
> > > Either way, if
> > >Linux wants to remain competitive on the desktop it will have to do
> > >better than this.
> >
> > This over a minor issue regarding a trackball? Mountain Molehill.
>
> No, over a huge issue of not having good accessibility for disabled
> or otherwise different people who have different needs, including,
> but not limited to input. Some people simply CANNOT use a regular
> hand-held two or three button mouse. The trackball problem is the
> tip of the iceberg.
>
> -c
My dad's Red Hat Linux handled his Kensington Trackball with no problems.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 19:59:43 +0200
From: Toon Moene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
longhaul wrote:
> This is all well and good for you techy's who understand computers. I
> don't. MSFT is user friendly to me. Sorry. Just my opinion. I hate
> to go counter with millstox but us non-techies owe our computers to
> MSFT.
Unfortunately, I'm not all that convinced that giving computers (i.e.
having the company install them on their desks) to non-techies is really
a good idea.
Daily I have to deal with people mailing Microsoft Word documents around
who would be (from looking over their shoulder when they're "working")
much more efficient using an IBM Selectric with a Courier ball.
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