Linux-Advocacy Digest #492, Volume #27 Thu, 6 Jul 00 11:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Luv Linux but it looses. (mlw)
Re: Anyone actually using Linux for DTP? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Running Linsux on a Compaq? Good luck!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen)
Re: Microsoft .Net (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Mark Wooding)
Re: OS's ... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451732 (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Anyone actually using Linux for DTP? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: History revision 1.27a (was Re: There is only one innovationthat matters...)
("Stephen Edwards")
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Linux code going down hill ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Just exactly what IS Linux, anyway? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Distribution reviews (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Rich C")
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen)
Re: Running Linsux on a Compaq? Good luck!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:20:50 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:18:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why should he?
He was purportedly here because he was evaluating Linux. He says that
his evaluation is done now.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Luv Linux but it looses.
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:20:55 -0400
JoeX1029 wrote:
>
> I love Linux but for alot of purposes it just isn't the ticket. Yes it maybe
> free and pretty stable and somewhat secure but for anybody worried about
> security, total stabilty, Solaris and SCO OpenServer win hands down. The
> licenses can get expensive but you are eventually rewarded with longer uptmes
> and a much more secure box. If you look at www.insecure.org it has HUNDREDS of
> hacks for Linux and 1 for SCO OpenServer. Solaris has it's fair share but all
> are easily correctable. Linux is a great OS but for mission critical servers
> and have to go with SCO or Sun. While some people will argue my points there
> really is no doubt that SCO or Sun are better server options if affordable. It
> hurts to say this but, Linux isn't a top choice for servers.
I find this funny. This is the first time I have seen SCO has been
mentioned as an alternative to Linux.
Actually Linux is very stable as a server. Every problem I have had with
sudden death has been due to bad disks and bad netcards. As a
workstation, it is far more stable than any windows version, but yes,
Solaris wins. (I hope you do not mean Solaris x86)
Not to make excuses, but the PC is a far more complex environment than a
sun box. The various video cards and hardware churning never gives
device drivers or the hardware itself time to mature. By the time an
obscure, but serious, bug is found, a new product may be the company's
focus. If rev 1.1a has a hardware bug, and you are shipping 2.0, the
competitive environment does not allow you to retrofit that board, you
will replace it with a new one or ship a driver that does not use the
particular feature. Some major OEMs in the medical industry are charging
thousands of dollars for boards which should not cost over a couple
hundred because the design is approved, mature, and stable, where as
commodity hardware is unacceptable.
In the case of XFree86, perhaps you never hear about the bug. In the
case of sun, there are very few X servers which need to be written. In
the case of SCO, they have a more limited HCL.
I think the stability which XFree has attained is amazing given the
platform and the number of cards they are working on. Looking at the
stability of Windows (DOS or NT) vs Linux, MS has access to all the OEMs
and source, but Linux still does a better job.
As for your URL, many of the Linux exploits are at least 1 major kernel
version back, AND mostly application related.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Anyone actually using Linux for DTP?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:48:20 GMT
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:34:31 -0600, Gene Kimzey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>1. Is there anyone out actually using Linux and related software for
>monthly production of an 8-10 page newsletter?
Surely. Star Office or Wordperfect or Applix should work fine.
>2. Is there anyone out there who is using Star Office or similar program
>to maintain and printout out labels from a mailing data base on a
>production basis?
Probably. Printing mailing labels would be a simple exercise in Python
in any case.
>3. Is there someone out there who is actually using GNU Cash or similar
>to run the basic finances of a small business?
I use something called "Moneydance". It is a java app. The web site
is at <http://www.seanreilly.com/>. I use it with IBM's JRE. There's
a number of "heavier duty" apps out there as well (see cbbrowne's home
page).
>my 486 AMD-133 with 32 megs of Ram.
Way too small for Star Office in my experience. WP8 would be ok (I use
it on a P-120 with 48 MB), not sure about WP9.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Running Linsux on a Compaq? Good luck!!!
Date: 06 Jul 2000 08:50:31 -0400
I'm running GNU/Linux 2.2 just fine on a new Compaq Deskpro.
--
Bruce R. Lewis http://brl.sourceforge.net/
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From: Hyman Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 06 Jul 2000 08:51:36 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes:
> The majority of the people of this country think that football should
> be free to watch, on either BBC or ITV. Therefore it should be so;
> or are you against democracy?
Of course I am against democracy of this sort! In the US, the Bill of
Rights provides protections against the kind of democracy that amounts
to the majority stealing from a minority, whether it be rights or
property. When the football players decide not to play because they
aren't getting paid enough, perhaps the majority will decide to enslave
them, so they can continue to have their games?
> >Consumers are not permitted to choose the price at which things they
> >buy are sold, because that choice would be zero.
>
> No it wouldn't, because the supply would dry up.
Do try to understand what you read, won't you?
> This is only true if you think that money is the only thing of
> importance.
You don't get to decide that something else is more important than
other people's money, only your own.
> Football is something that many people in Britain are interested in;
> it is part of our common shared culture. If watching major football
> matches is restricted to those will to pay Sky for the priviledge,
> then our common culture is reduced, because people have less in
> common with each other.
Then by all means, attempt to convince a majority of the people that
free football for all should be paid for by taxes. Then the BBC can
try to outbid Sky (?) for the rights, and broadcast for free.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft .Net
Date: 6 Jul 2000 13:01:42 GMT
Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Aravind Sadagopan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>I happened to read all about the Microsoft .Net stuff. I am still
:>unclear what are they tring to drive at
:>Can somebody explain what it means clearly. They a relying heavily on
:>XML backend to facilitate sharing among
:>different people. Is that what its all about.?
: So far it's all a lot of hype and vaporware, but near as I can tell they
: want you to keep your data on their servers and pay for your applications
: per-use instead of paying a one-time upfront fee.
: I can think of few things more likely to send J. Random User ranting to
: Red Hat. Has Microsoft learned nothing from the failure of DIVX?
>From Microsoft's perspective, the notion of people "leasing" software
from them rather than paying for it makes perfect sense. Right now,
once they sell you a copy of Office, the only way they can get you
to spend money on another copy is to make a whole new version and
keep you on the upgrade treadmill - since the version you have will
no longer be supported.
But if you have to pay annually to keep your copy of Office working,
they don't have to keep making yet-more-bloated upgrades since
you're basically paying for the bug-fixes. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't
have to worry about anyone being satisfied with their current version
and not upgrading, either. It's a win-win situation for them.
I expect their plan is to sell product with auto-updates using
Q3A-style keys and hope too much of their customer's data is
locked-in for them to do anything about it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:35:50 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 05:07:30 -0500, John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:25:37 -0500, John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >You want Liberty for buyers on the slave labor of add on developers.
>> >>
>> >> You have the trappings of being a capitalist yet you expect
>> >> to be able to use other's work for free. That is simply
>> >> absurd.
>> >>
>> >Actually, a gift is a gift. I don't argue against using the
>>
>> Here would be a classic case of oversimplification.
>>
>> This might fly in a preschool but not here.
>>
>GPLed software isn't free and has redistribution encumberances. Calling
>the GPL free is not accurate because of the encumberances. I guess that
...different usage of free. English lexicon isn't as simplistic
as you would like to make it out to be.
[deletia]
--
It only takes a little bit of bad luck to negate the whole benefit
of "runs everything" for a particualar end user.
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/ | \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Wooding)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 6 Jul 2000 14:04:58 GMT
Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never understood this to be honest. I see no contradiction
> between democracy and personal freedom. Indeed I think that they go
> hand in hand.
The problem with democracy is that (in the usual implementation)
everyone gets an equal vote. But most people aren't ever-so clever. So
the real power goes to those people who know best how to manipulate the
weak-minded, usually by appealing to greed and prejudice, and by taking
advantage of poor risk assessment.
I don't know any good long-term solutions to this problem. Capable and
benevolent dictators are good when you get them, but they're a rarity,
and it's always a bit of a shame when one snuffs it and, through
nepotism and/or megalomania, is replaced by a dangerous and useless
nutter.
> There are some people on this board who think I am a lying commie
> bastard who wants to "rule the werld with an iren fist",
I suppose that's better than ummm... with an iron ruler. (Or is that
too naughty?)
-- [mdw]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OS's ...
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:57:54 +0100
On 28 Jun 2000 16:51:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary
Connors) wrote:
>Windows Stable? You're kidding me right. If Windows is so "stable" why
>did it take 3 years to figure out that timing error in it that would make
>Windows crash after 40 some odd days?
I should imagine that the first problem they had was getting a Windows
machine to stay up long enough for the 40-day bug to show itself.
--
Warning: end of message imminent. Stop reading now.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,nl.scouting
Subject: Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451732
Date: 6 Jul 2000 14:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Why do you resist providing one, Pascal? It was, after all,
>my question.
Still no answer.
--
Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 259 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anyone actually using Linux for DTP?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:13:20 GMT
Hey Bob,
Thanks for info, hadn't run into anyone using moneydance before, I
will check it out. It looks like then I will have to find a WP8 copy
somewhere instead of Star Office.
Thanks again,
Gene Kimzey
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
hauck[at]codem{dot}com wrote:
> Surely. Star Office or Wordperfect or Applix should work fine.
>
Printing mailing labels would be a simple exercise in Python
> in any case.
>
>
> I use something called "Moneydance". It is a java app. The web site
> is at <http://www.seanreilly.com/>. I use it with IBM's JRE. There's
> a number of "heavier duty" apps out there as well (see cbbrowne's home
> page).
>
> >my 486 AMD-133 with 32 megs of Ram.
>
> Way too small for Star Office in my experience. WP8 would be ok (I
use
> it on a P-120 with 48 MB), not sure about WP9.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
>
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Before you buy.
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From: "Stephen Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: History revision 1.27a (was Re: There is only one innovationthat
matters...)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:50:55 -0700
Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Has anyone stopped to notice that Mr. Steven "knowitall" edwards has
made
> over twenty postings and not one has had anything to do with the topic
of
> this newsgroup: BEOS!
Have you noticed that:
1.) Those posts are weeks old.
2.) That this thread covers a lot of different groups.
<CLUESTICK> *THWACK!* </CLUESTICK>
--
.-----.
|[ ] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount/
| = :| Artificial Intelligence -- The process of designing
| :| multi-node hueristic systems that yield results such
|_..._| as "The answer to your query is 6.7564E22... I think".
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:44:01 -0400
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>> You want Liberty for buyers on the slave labor of add on developers.
>>> You have the trappings of being a capitalist yet you expect
>>> to be able to use other's work for free. That is simply
>>> absurd.
>> Actually, a gift is a gift. I don't argue against using the
> Here would be a classic case of oversimplification.
> This might fly in a preschool but not here.
It should fly. When I give a gift to someone, I expect nothing back (not
even a thank-you card!). That's what a *gift* is.
1gift2: something voluntarily transferred by one person to another
without compensation
Attaching strings to something is a form of compensation.
-f
--
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ICQ#25o49818 (H) * aziegler(at)s0lect(d0t)c0m * mar a mbionn an smacht
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill
Date: 6 Jul 2000 16:47:22 +0100
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Um, and everything VMS-like (like VMS itself or Windows NT) clearly
> isn't Unix because VMS was, as far as I understand, designed to be the
> opposite of Unix. So to say.
That's correct.
Unix: zillions of specialized commands, each performing one simple task.
VMS: one command to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them, SET !
--
Alain Borel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just exactly what IS Linux, anyway?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:36:06 GMT
In article <8k02d1$egi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Niall Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> M$ Win 3.11 was not part of Ms-Dos was it, It was a Graphicall Shell
that
> could run on it.
>
> KDE and Gnome are similar in that way.
>
> Of course there is no real problems with KDE (I haven't used Gnome),
It
> loads up you use it and accept that it's not Mac Os and it's not
Windows and
> it's not any other GUI it is KDE it works the way it is setup and
written to
> be used, okay this is what I don't like about KDE
>
> Single Clicking to select stuff,
>
> Er, thats it really
May I ask really what?
And while we are at it:
a) It is optional in KDE2
b) Why not use single click to activate objects? (Not SLECT them, that's
something else!)
I mean, really, give me a reason. One that is not "everyone else
uses double click" or "I am used to double click" would be interesting.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:42:10 GMT
In article <8k0ggf$mc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Mandrake 7.x (not 7.1).
> >
> > Load Audio CD.
> > Play audio CD.
> > Try to eject Audio CD.
> > Will not eject most times even with button on drive.
> > IF it decides it WILL eject, CD drive no longer works.
> >
>
> You need to unmount it first, brainiac. Some 'filemanager' type
> things (kde) attempt to do this for you, as well as some cd playing
> software.
Ermmm.... you can't play a CD if it's mounted, and you can't mount
a pure audio CD.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:51:48 -0400
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> GPLed software isn't free and has redistribution encumberances. Calling
>> the GPL free is not accurate because of the encumberances. I guess that
> ...different usage of free. English lexicon isn't as simplistic
> as you would like to make it out to be.
Nor you. Application of the animate sense of free to something inanimate is
nongrammatical and illogical.
-f
--
austin ziegler * fant0me(at)the(dash)wire(d0t)c0m * Ni bhionn an rath ach
ICQ#25o49818 (H) * aziegler(at)s0lect(d0t)c0m * mar a mbionn an smacht
ICQ#21o88733 (W) * fant0me526(at)yah00(d0t)c0m * (There is no Luck
AIM Fant0me526 *-s/0/o/g--------&&--------s/o/0/g-* without Discipline)
Toronto.ON.ca * I speak for myself alone *-----------------------
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distribution reviews
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:50:27 -0500
SamIam wrote:
>
> Lynx (I think thats the name) fix's that but then you don't get all the
> pretty pictures. But its great if all you're after is speed and the
> meat of the web page.
>
I have used Lynx quite a bit actually. It's too bad so many sites are
going out of thier way to make things totally unreadable in Lynx (you
almost have to do that on purpose as Lynx reads standard HTML very
well).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:54:51 GMT
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:44:01 -0400, Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>> You want Liberty for buyers on the slave labor of add on developers.
>>>> You have the trappings of being a capitalist yet you expect
>>>> to be able to use other's work for free. That is simply
>>>> absurd.
>>> Actually, a gift is a gift. I don't argue against using the
>> Here would be a classic case of oversimplification.
>> This might fly in a preschool but not here.
>
>It should fly. When I give a gift to someone, I expect nothing back (not
Except it is not represented as 'gratisware'. It is quite
explicitly represented as 'libreware' with the intent that
it always remain so.
[deletia]
Instead you're spouting "free!free!free!" like a 3 year old
without any consideration of the full meaning of that word.
--
It only takes a little bit of bad luck to negate the whole benefit
of "runs everything" for a particualar end user.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:00:07 -0400
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip]
> > >
> > > To TEST whether the system can handle that kind of load BEFORE
> > > putting your computers on it...
> > >
> > > DUHHHHHHHHHHH
> > >
> > >
> > > It might pop, it might not. The point is, you don't know until
> > > you test it.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, I see. Most of us simply look at the rating on the breaker.
>
> It's easier to plug in a hair dryer than to tear the thing apart
> to see if it will carry a 1500W load.
>
> If it trips, just reset it.
>
Why would you have to tear the UPS apart to "see" the breaker rating, but
not to reset it?
And what if the thing is poorly designed, and your hair dryer fries the
circuitry instead?
--
Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Date: 6 Jul 2000 09:58:09 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> An average joe with a clue is going to be using DSL or
>> cable which is trivial to set up in Linux and always
>> has been (Linux being more LAN centric).
>
>
>You're kidding here?
>
>Tell that to all the folks running Windows 98SE which sets up internet
>connection sharing without the user actually knowing one damn thing
>about networking.
You mean the people who just got their first computer in the last
few months - and bought several at once? Everyone else gave up
on using Microsoft products for that years ago and already
had Linux or some other solution running.
>Look at how many questions are in the Linux Network group from folks
>trying to do the same thing under Linsux.
And note that the questions all have simple answers, including
things like how to add local DNS service for your private
net while caching internet DNS. (How do you set that up
with SE anyway? Or turn off the DHCP server?).
>How about all those nice CD's that come from ISP's with all the
>software on them for setting up the dsl connection. Do they work under
>Linsux? Doubtful
Linux does networking correctly without 3rd party add-ins.
>Setup.exe is your friend.
And with friends like that, you don't need enemies.
>What kind of market share do you think Windows or Mac would have if
>all the software was given away for free?
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you think those systems
are so bad that they would fail if they couldn't pay people to
promote them to you?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Hyman Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 06 Jul 2000 11:01:08 -0400
Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't think that this system is feasible now, but I mention
> it because it does demonstrate that there are alternatives. The free
> market system is something we invented at some point in time, as
> decided was a good idea. Its is not a force of nature, or inevitable,
> nor the only way forward.
The free market system is probably as old as humanity itself. It is
the natural system which arises when two parties each have something
the other wants, and circumstances rule out taking by force. Even when
civilizations collapse in chaos, there still remains a free market in
the ruins, as people trade with each other for the necessities of
survival. It doesn't require planning or global information. Its
source of strength is the fact that both parties walk away from a deal
satisfied.
> I can not give you copies of the software that I write,
> because someone else owns it.
Private property is the backbone of freedom. Without it, you are a
helpless vassal of whatever arbitrary distribution system is in power.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Running Linsux on a Compaq? Good luck!!!
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:01:06 GMT
The topic of his articles always seem to be based around problems he
has with Linux. His Corel Office review was a classic.
On 6 Jul 2000 03:13:30 GMT, Ray Chason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Typical Linsux......
>>
>>And what was that about great hardware support of Linsux?
>>
>>
>>http://infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/07/03/000703oppetreley.xml
>>
>>
>>And this from a Linvocate, shame, shame.
>>
>>Well at least he is honest but based upon his history you have to
>>wonder if he is really a Winvocate....
>>
>>He doesn't seem to have anything positive to say about Linsux.
>
>Nothing positive? You mean nothing positive like:
>
> "I know from experience that the most troublesome hardware for Linux
> comes from Compaq. Over the past few years, I have been able to install
> Linux quickly on just about any hardware -- from IBM laptops to bizarre
> no-name home-brew computers. But I've always had trouble getting Linux
> to run on a Compaq. Call it bad luck. Call it Compaq's fault. I don't
> know which, but it's the truth."
>
>Nothing positive like "I have been able to install Linux quickly on just
>about any hardware"?
>
>Seems to be trashing Compaq more than Linux: "The Compaq DVD drive seems
>to have problems reading [Memorex CD-R] disks."
>
>Guess I won't be buying Compaq....
>
>
>>That's pretty much par for the course though.
>
>All too typical WinFUD. Par for the course indeed.
>
>See what happens when you provide some actual facts instead of FUD? Some
>damn fool checks them out and shows you up for the liar and whiner that
>you are.
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