Linux-Advocacy Digest #492, Volume #32 Mon, 26 Feb 01 06:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Ed Allen)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. ("Edward Rosten")
Great, Apple patents Themes ("Adam Warner")
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software ("Greg")
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Joona I Palaste)
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ ("Edward Rosten")
Re: .NET is plain .NUTS (Peter Hayes)
Re: Why Linux Is Giving Microsoft a Migraine ("Edward Rosten")
Re: State of linux distros ("Reefer")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited ("Edward Rosten")
Re: State of linux distros ("Reefer")
Re: why open source software is better (Florian Weimer)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Stuart Krivis)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Shane Phelps)
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:01:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Amphetamine Bob in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
>
> [T. Max:]
>>> (as in MS's early ROM BASIC shenanigans) is illegal.
>>
>>What is this crap? Never heard of it.
>
>Didn't you know? Bill Gates and Microsoft were pulling the same scams
>they eventually 'perfected' with DOS, back in the days of ROM BASIC
>interpreters. They had a monopoly, AFAIK, on microcomputer OSes, even
>before the PC. Billy fished a public domain BASIC out of the trash at a
>real program house, from what I've heard, and then started threatening
>anyone who marketed a ROM BASIC with copyright claims after he put it on
>punch-tape! With that 'leverage', he got just about every microcomputer
>manufacturer with any sizeable market to use his BASIC, no doubt with
>super-cheap 'per system' licensing. Since it was built into hardware,
>the 'per processor' part wasn't much of a problem for OEM's until the
>'cliff tier' pricing joined it in the MS-DOS days.
>
Reading that I just realized that Bill then was no match for the
polished team that he has today.
He added techniques as he discovered what did and did not work.
He has gradually developed all his top executives into polished
monopolists.
Without Open Source splitting the company would just be scattering
termite queens to develop new nests and further eat away at the
foundations of society.
Regan/Bush left us all to suffer because their ideology made them as
blind to the truth as Erik.
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How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:03:56 +0000
> Alternatively, in the MATH and PHYSICS departments, they simply use
> "convenient" values (like sin 30 degrees = 1/2, or tan 45 degrees =
> sqrt(2)/2), and entirely prohibit the use of calculators.
tan 45=1
-Ed
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Great, Apple patents Themes
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:13:50 +1300
http://delphion.com/details?pn=US06188399__
Patent overview:
"Systems and methods for providing a user with increased flexibility and
control over the appearance and behavior of objects on a user interface
are described. Sets of objects can be grouped into themes to provide a
user with a distinct overall impression of the interface. These themes
can be invoked by calling a corresponding theme engine. Theme engines can
be hard-coded or data-driven."
Check out the 16 claims:
http://delphion.com/details?&pn=US06188399__&s_clms=1#clms
Also refer:
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/02/25/169230.shtml
(goes off shaking head in disbelief)
Adam
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:19:55 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the
>> >> >> amount of power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind,
>> >> >> thet the faster you want to switch a silicon junctio, the more
>> >> >> power you need to switch it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Particularly for CMOS.
>> >>
>> >> And Bipolar. You have junction capacitance in the CMOS transistor
>> >> and charge stored in the base to drive it in to saturation in the
>> >> bipolar case.
>> >
>> > No. Bipolar consumes significant amounts of current even when not
>> > switching.
>>
>> Yes. The base charge must be removed, or put back to switch a
>> transistor.
>
> For Field Effect Transistors (PMOS and NMOS, which together make CMOS),
> yes. There is no "base charge" for bipolar junction transistors.
There is definitely a base charge. Why do you think that TTL is so much
faster than DTL?
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:13:55 +0000
>> I hadn't thought of that since we almost never use the drier. Once in
>> the utility room, you could make the computer case quite a bit bigger
>> and have one side of it (the outside) as an aluminium fan heat sink.
>> That way, it could keep cool from natural of forced concevtion on the
>> outside, eliminating the need for a fan sucking dust inside. And you
>> could put one helluva fan on the outside :-)
>
> Just use a some tubing to duct in cleaner air.
The air outside is still dusty, and with the amount of air you would need
to dissipate 10kw, it's fill up with dist pretty quick.
Hell, why couldn't you connect this thing to the central heating system?
>> VA == W for resistive loads and VAR is the geometric difference between
>> VA and W (in that VAR=|W+ jVAR| )
>>
>> Out house at home has a 100A fuse coming in from outside. And a 60A
>> fuse
>That's one hell of an outhouse!
LOL!
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:15:20 +0000
> At some point, that stops working. The problem is that the chip is a
> finite area, and you're trying to dissipate the heat into a large chunk
> of aluminum. The aluminum may be able to handle the heat, but the heat
> flow from the chip into the aluminum is too slow, so the chip burns up
> even though the fins on your heat sink are still cool.
It depends how big you make the chip. There would be incentive to give it
a pretty large area, so it could dissipate heat easily. This would be OK,
especially if it was very thin.
-ed
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From: "Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:18:01 -0800
Watch the socialists sink their own economy through excessive regulation.
HAHAHAHA!!!
> From the truth is stranger than fiction file:
>
> http://lwn.net/2001/features/siae.php3
>
> Any Italian wanting to distribute software for profit requires an
> authorising stamp or they could face a huge fine or imprisonment:
>
> "Whoever intends to make a profit ...for commercial or business purposes,
> from the use of ...computer programs contained on a medium not bearing the
> SIAE stamp, is subject to a penalty of imprisonment from six months up to
> three years and to a fine from 2500 to 15000 Euros."
>
> Since an SIAE stamp is required for the name of the author, publisher,
> producer or copyright holder a single Linux CD could conceivably require
> hundreds of stamps.
>
> Adam
>
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From: Joona I Palaste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:12:31 GMT
Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled the following
on comp.lang.c:
>> 3) Because of its symbolic integration and derivation capabilities, it
>> is forbidden in the Finnish high school graduation exams.
> I think the TI-92 can do this now as well.
So can the CASIO CFX-9970G, which I have. But then, I've already passed
the high school graduation exams. I got the second highest grade for my
math exam.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:26:02 +0000
> Right you are. One of the fundamental problems is that there is nothing
> to replace silicon dioxide as the MOS gate insulator. The reason that
^^
except mabey metal oxide?
> the devices on. The problem then is that the MOS transistors don't turn
> off completely when the gate voltage is zero.
Yep sure they can. You can move the 'off' voltage over quite a range from
negative, through zero to positive. Most MOS transistors are off when the
gate voltage is less than 1v(?) (which is why you have to be careful
using MOSFETS in power amps if you want to avoid crossover distortion).
-Ed
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .NET is plain .NUTS
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:23:18 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:10:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> > The price of software, always escalating, is the No. 1 reason why people use
> > warez. Sure, I'd like to have an office suite. But I'm not - repeat, not -
> > going to pay $300 for it. I'll just live without if I have to, and use a text
> > editor for documents, use C for math instead of a spreadsheet, and so on.
>
> Pick up StarOffice. It's even been ported to LoseDOS.
Is it free for commercial use?
Peter
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is Giving Microsoft a Migraine
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:30:01 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adam Warner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Terry,
>
>> How's this for Linux versatility!
>>
>> Recently I d/l and configured a single floppy router/ipmasq/firewall,
>> named "Freesco". This Linux (2.0.38) based package fits on one 1.44
>> floppy disk and runs any pc from a 386 upwards with only 8 meg of ram.
>
> Amazing isn't it. But it always makes me pine for a larger floppy disk
> standard. If this can be achieved with a 1.44MB floppy imagine what
> could be achieved if 100 or so megabyte floppies were now standard!
In 20M, you can fit linux w/ gnu file/text utils, NS2.0, X, fvwm etc.
In 100M you could have a small workstation.
> By the way it's quite possible for a 2.4 kernel to no longer fit on a
> boot floppy disk (depending upon what is compiled in).
You can get a 2.4 kernel to fit on a disk, but there are a huge number of
superflous options that you would never need for a machine such as a
router.
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From: "Reefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:40:10 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Not even....plus it STILL has all of that baggage from DOS.
'Ya talking about Win9X/ME?
NT/2k has no DOS "baggage"...and that is the OS that Linux should be
compared with...
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:31:58 +0000
> Expecting the police to protect you is
>
> 1) been contradicted by the courts. They have ruled repeatedly that
> the police have absolutely ZERO obligation to protect you, and
>
> 2) an abrogation of your civic responsibilities.
Which is why "To protect and Serve" is written on the sides of the police
cars (in some states, anyway).
-Ed
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From: "Reefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:12 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You really are on a reefer, aren't you
>Hence his nickname.
Said from a man that manages to get people to start 3-4 hate threads about
him, just in the last couple of days...
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From: Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: 26 Feb 2001 11:38:33 +0100
Craven Moorehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I am in favour of open source Beatles music.
Visit Germany. It seems that some Beatles songs have entered the
public domain here.
OTOH, it is pointless to say 'I want an open source XXX', where XXX is
an already existing product which is not software. 'I want free
software which does XXX' is a more reasonable claim (especially if you
start implementation afterwards ;-).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: 26 Feb 2001 05:45:31 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 Feb 2001 19:31:15 -0700, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Thank god I don't use any of your software. I value quality and security.
>
>I love it! Keep this coming! It's great!
>
>You think I'd keep replying if I didn't think this was hilarious??
>
>
It _is_ pretty funny. :-) OBSD and other projects related to it are
known for their quality and security. I've heard of some people having
issues with Theo, but never with the quality or security of the code he
shepherds.
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Stuart Krivis
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:50:33 +1100
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
[ snip ]
>
> > I have shown nothing but concern. In fact, the only reason I still
> > post to this thread is because I'm concerned that there are thousands
> > of people out there happily using SSH1 and are completely unaware
> > that it is "fundamentally flawed".
>
> Chad, I don't think you are concerned about ssh security
> flaws, mainly because there is no windows ssh server.
>
The really funny thing about this is that there *is* at least one Windows
ssh server version. There is a port of the ssh 1,2,x sshd which runs with
Cygwin (it only needs cygwin.dll, not the entire package). Data Fellows
*may* have an ssh server for Windows as well (it is US-only if there is one)
> I suspect you've been on this ssh rant because it's an
> example of why Unix remote administration is easier and
> more secure than windows remote access, and for that
> reason ssh has become a target; you seem to be on a
> crusade to demonize ssh -
>
and yes, the sshd is a very good way to remotely administer large numbers
of Windows NT boxes (though a little limited), and also much better
than
FTP for automated file transfers.
Ssh wasn't designed to be specific to Unix, and there are actually more
Windows ssh clients (both commercial and free) than Unix.
> jjs
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