Linux-Advocacy Digest #759, Volume #27 Tue, 18 Jul 00 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? (WesTralia)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Dresden's copyrights (Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux code going down hill (Jim Richardson)
Re: Trauma 98-00 (Paul Gresham)
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I just don't buy it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it (mlw)
Re: Reiserfs (was: Some Windows weirdnesses...) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Trauma 98-00 (Mig)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen) (tinman)
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:32:26 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> I'm curious.
>
> What are your (Windows advocate) reactions to this whole .NET software
> leasing idea?
>
> According to Balmer, in the future you'll only be able to lease
> software over the internet from Microsoft --
In the "future" we were all supposed to have flying cars by
now.
Microsoft has always been reactive and not proactive. They
are blind as bats when it comes to spoting the twists and
turns in the computing world.
Microsoft knows one thing: Linux and Java are making their OS
less and less important each day.
Their .NET scam is just them throwing a hand full of darts at
the board in hopes one of the darts is on target.
> thus, you'll have to pay
> every year (or month) for every piece of software you own, otherwise
> it will stop functioning.
> Even without UCITA, they're planning on
> doing this with a sort of portal-on-drugs plan where some near-future
> version of Outlook is only available from Microsoft's .NET servers.
This dart won't even get near the board.
> He specifically mentioned office.net, which is where the next
> "version" of Office will live. They want to sprinkle .NET servers all
> over the web (geographically) and cut deals with ISPs to get people to
> subscribe to Microsoft software through them. I assume that Windows
> will eventually go this way?
>
This dart will stick over where the WebTV dart stuck.
> For those that don't know: Just replace .NET with DCOM/ActiveX plus
> MS-XML.
>
> Is this a good thing?
.NET == Lead Balloon
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:36:18 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Mark Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> >Even a cursory reading of history should convince you otherwise.
> >>
> >> No. A cursory reading results in knee-jerk answers, as you have shown. A
> >> thoughtful, reflective reading leads one to analysis and different answers.
> >> -- Is government perfect? No. People aren't either and certainly not people
> >> driven only by the profit motive -- which you are suggesting would do a better
> >> job on everything if left alone.
>
> >Try the cursory reading, at the least, and come back prepared to discuss the
> >issue.
>
> You're being a jerk. You know there are problems best solved by government,
> and some best solved by business -- and some, that businees won't even work on
> with government handouts -- Yet you want to paint the issues in black and
> white. Are you on the far-right?'
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You misspelled "an anarchist?"
Right-wingers is just as socialist as Left-wingers.
The difference is the the Left wants government to own all business, and
the Right wants business to own the government.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dresden's copyrights (Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:38:58 -0400
Jacques Guy wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > >because smarty, the copyright isn't under the name "Drestin" - sheesh...
>
> Of course, "Drestin Black" == "Dressed in black". Now let me guess
> under what name those famous copyrights might be.... Brown?
Nope....under "cross-dresser"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:04:31 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:11:34 -0400,
Colin R. Day, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:48:09 -0400,
>> Colin R. Day, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:57:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >>
>> >> >Ick, platform specific packaging utilities always suck. If anything,
>> >> >they eliminate your control, and you often have to put the software
>> >> >where whoever packaged it thought it should go.
>> >>
>> >> In the case of say RPM, the above statement is just plain wrong.
>> >
>> >Not in all cases. I once tried to install KDE somewhere else besides
>> >/opt, and RPM would not do it. Some packages are not relocatable.
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>>
>> From the RPM manpage ...
>>
>> --badreloc
>> To be used in conjunction with --relocate, this
>> forces the relocation even if the package isn't
>> relocatable.
>
>Damn. I must have missed it, sorry.
>
>Colin Day
>
no biggie, it's not like the manpage is small :)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Paul Gresham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trauma 98-00
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:44:21 +0800
Yep, I am using Windblows 98SE ... actually another benefit of a dual boot system
is that its really easy to copy the True Type fonts over to the Linux partition
and use them in X, The few benefits of Windows, plus all the benefits of Linux.
Now when will they port Visio ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try Win98SE, the fonts look great and it does all
> of what you are looking for.
>
> Stop wasting your time on Linsux.
>
> If you want boxy lookig fonts and documents in
> formats that the rest of the world is NOT using,
> try Linsux....
>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:17:18 +0800, Paul Gresham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Unfortunately much of the hardware in my laptop is not correctly supported by
> >W2K or Win NT4. or I'd be running W2K. Perhaps in the coming months it'll
> >support it.
> >
> >However most things apart from the Winmodem will work on Linux ... pretty
> >amazing that linux is ahead of W2K with the drivers.
> >
> >James wrote:
> >
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> You are obviously a Win98 fan, and should therefore not moan when it lets
> >> you down. You may be interested to know that MS has another OS aimed at the
> >> business user, namely NT4/5/2000. Give it a spin.
> >>
> >> James
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are Linux people illiterate?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:49:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8l22th$94$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <8l1un0$dob$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Payed" is much more logical than "paid". Just try to *logically*
> > explain why "shure" is a misspelling.
>
> To understand the root for the illogical spelling rules of the english
> language we have to consider the source of the language as well as the
> traditions and culture that surrounded it. Logic was never a part of the
> development of the spelling rules of the english language.
>
> English is a large and rich and evolving language with multiple ways to say
> the same thing--all with equal validity. The English language has an
> inheritance from the Picts, Celts, Vikings, Romans, Normans, Angelo, Saxons,
> Jutes, Francs, and many other peoples. These sources provides us a large
> pallete of words, phrases, and idioms to select from. Many meanings have
> multiple ways of being stated and many words also have multiple
> meanings--all valid.
>
> We may never know what the first language of Britian was. So let us start
> with the proto gaelic of the Picts and Celts. Then came the Romans to
> Britonium (sp?) and their introduction of Latin. It was the Roman presence
^^^^^^^^^
The people were known as the Britons, and the land was called Britain
(not Great Britain, merely Britain).
> in Britian that created the sepperate identities of England and Scotland.
Hadrian's wall ?
> Latin was then the proper language of Britian and the prior language was
> used amoung the lower classes and for daily conversation. Over time other
> languages were introduced into Britian by the various barbarian contacts
> such as through invasions by the Jutes, Angelo, Saxons, and other contacts
> like those with the Francs, Goths, and Vandals. In the end the Saxons
> becase supreme over the area that is now known as England. Then came the
> Vikings conquest of most of Britian and their language.
I was in Norway recently, and was surprised how many words I could
recognize between my English and my study of Russian.
>
> By the time that the Viking lords were about pushed out of Britian along
> came the Normans who were a more civilized version of the Vikings. Of
> course I am now talking about the Battle of Hastings in 1066 under the
> command of the Duke of Normandy, who became known as William the Conqueror.
> Along with the Normans came a proto french language with nordic influence.
> There were also Germanic influences in the language and others as well.
>
> Through all those invasions and other influences, Latin remaind the primary
> language for written communications and for communications between the
> speakers of different languages even though by then most latin speakers were
> speaking dog latin by then. Latin of that time was not too different from
> how English is used now. But during that time the proto english was an oral
> language. When it evolved into old english it started to become a
> writtenlanguage as well. But there were no standard spelling and each
> author "wood rite tha words lik he thot waz rite".
correction:
"an eech awfor wood rite tha werds like Timmie Pawlmer duz."
>
> When that became too much of a problem, the crown commissioned the
> development of the standard speller an dictionary for the language of the
> English. Which is the source of the terms "the King's English" and "the
> Queen's English". The person who was appointed to the task was not a great
> linguist, so he wrote the dictionary by examining various documents written
> in "english" and gathered spelling samples from those documets. Although
> rules were established as a part of that effort they were not applied as
> they should have. The mishmash of spelling rules the we have to live with
> today got started that way.
something is askew here.
Words of Greek origin have consistant spelling rules with themselves.
Words of Latin origin have consistant spelling rules with themselves.
Words of French origin have consistant spelling rules with themselves.
Words of German origin have consistant spelling rules with themselves.
Words of Norse origin have consistant spelling rules with themselves.
>
> It was as a result of that person's working style that has given: us three
> spelling for the sound of "2", which are "two", "too", and "to", as well as
> "book" and "cook" instead of "bwk" and "cwk"; why "sure" is correct and
> "shure" is incorrect. It is by violating his own spelling rules that has
> established "paid" for the past tense of "pay" instead of "payed"
>
> Since that time the language has continued to evolve in some cases dividing
> into very simmilar sub languages which is my "color" and "colour" are both
> correct as are "grey" and "gray".
>
> > You ignored the posts earlier in the thread about people who process
> > things differently than us (dyslexic) and I am sure our multilingual
> > peers could provide more forceful response in languages you don't
> > have even enough grasp to misuse.
>
> I could, but I don't like to use that kind of language in any language.
> However, I will close with mixed language statement:
>
> ( ( 2 * b ) || !( 2 * b ) ) tolerant is the question.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I just don't buy it
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:52:36 -0400
Paul Gresham wrote:
>
> Actually Microsoft are trailing behind Sun, the whole point behind Star
> Office is that Sun can start the Star Office Portal. There's a recording of
> a web cast on the Sun main site about the benefits of using such systems.
> The basic idea is that information, not money is rapidly becoming the most
> valuable resource, and the ability to transfer information is therefore
> paramount, as is the security of the information. Sun's position is this
> (and this is why they give away staroffice), You trust your money to a
> bank, and yet information is as valuable, if not more so, so you should
> trust your information to people who can manage it for you (i.e. Sun).
>
> Now supposing you wrote a letter to your lawyer about your divorce, and
> you're not at home, not near a fax machine, perhaps having a picnic on your
> weekend visit with your kids, but you need to re-read that letter, and
> perhaps fax it to a different lawyer (one you are obviously paying to work
> weekends, so time wasted is costing you $$). You could dial up to the web,
> view the doc with your palm top, and then email or e-fax it to anywhere in
> the world. This is possible today right? Yes it is. Now office portals are
> touted as being the next big thing ... Information Banks.
I have no problem with companies which do this exact thing, like
http://www.drivespace.com/. Conversely, I wouldn't trust Microsoft
to hold a solitary byte of my data.
> I think if you guys can stop being cynical about M$ (lets face it NONE of
> us would trust them to manage anything important anyway) and look at the
> whole picture, a secure environment for all your documents, stored
> electronically and encrypted, with all the benefits of regular backups,
> kept in a controlled condition environment on mirrred disks, is a good
> thing, and something we cannot afford (genarally speaking) at home. On top
> of that some document management system, easy document retrieval, i.e.
> finding the seperation papers when you need them for court etc seems again
> like a good thing. Being able to search for this stuff from any location,
> home, office, picnic in a field, and then send the documents in a secure
> and garaunteed way, so there is no need to take a copy, get it is
> certified, signed, blah blah also seems like a good thing .... Where are
> the deeds to your home? can you look at them, or will you have to pay a
> solicitor to write a letter to your mortgage lender, to then pay a fee, to
> view the deeds to argue about that neighbor who is erecting a fence so that
> he gains an inch of your land?
>
> Think about it, if you are diligent and professional computer users, then
> you will see many benefits of sharing document space in a properly managed
> environment. Of course Microsoft thinking that they can offer this service
> is like asking my dog to look after package of pork sausages and not eat
> them, after all they are legally recognised as a dishonest business, if
> they were a bank, they'd have to close down.
>
> Regards
> Gresh
>
> Ian Pulsford wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > There has been some discussion about M$ .NET. I just don't see the
> > advantages of it from a home user perspective or a business perspective.
> >
> > 1. Is a home user really going to want to store private documents on
> > some remote server?
> > 2. Why would I want to log onto the internet everytime I want to write a
> > short letter or note?
> > 3. Why clog up internet bandwidth more with stuff that really belongs on
> > the home PC/business file server?
> > 4. What company would trust strorage of information to a server on the
> > internet?
> > 5. Hard drive capacity gets bigger every year, no need for
> > 'internetwork' disk space.
> > 6. Intel, AMD, etc want to sell faster expensive processors, not cheap
> > thin client gear.
> > 7. Everyone already has an office suite of some sort
> > 8. What can .NET do that an intranet + an internet gateway cannot do?
> >
> > Plus probably loads of other reasons.
> >
> > Of course, in the future internet bandwidth will increase with
> > technology, and everyone in a modern country may have a permanent
> > connection via cable just like a phone service or TV aerial, but where
> > is the advantage of keeping information/applications remotely as opposed
> > to retaining them locally?
> >
> > The only 'advantage' I can see is tricking the PHB tools of microsoft
> > into buying M$ .NET and making extra cash for M$. Of course SUN et al.
> > have to push their equivalent technologies. So everyone rushes towards
> > an idea that seems to have little real merit.
> >
> > IanP
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:55:37 -0400
Boris wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > [snippage]
> > > > To simply say that the fortune 500 use NT, so it's good, is false. The
> > > > fortune 500 companies can pay for the huge expenses that an NT
> > > > environment will incur in exchange for the "strategic" business
> > > > opportunities which the monopoly Microsoft provides. For the merely
> > > > normal sized companies that do not have the clout to grab Microsoft's
> > > > attention and good graces, NT is a disaster of unreliability and poor
> > > > cost/performance.
> > > >
> > >
> > > unreliability and poor cost/performance? You couldn't be more wrong and if
> > > you'd quit living in 3.51 days you'd know this. When is the last time anyone
> > > not a linux zealot ever saw a blue screen?
> >
> > Actually, I saw one today with a dual processor domain controller.
> Have you ever tried to research why it crashes? How do you know that it's NT fault?
>Maybe
> hardware is faulty. Or maybe you installed some kernel-mode software which was
>responsible
> for that (there're lots of 3rd party kernel-mode software around: firewalls,
>anti-virus
> packages, device drivers).
Any number of reasons I am sure. This time I was not in the "guru"
position. I was a casual developer who could not access docs on an NT
server because of it. (I explicitly did NOT want to be involved!)
Fortunately, I was using Linux and could work on other stuff.
> I once worked for unix software company which bought VMS box to test their software
>on. I
> heard complains about that box that it crashes every 2 hours. But VMS solutions are
> supposed to be the most reliable ones out there. Btw, nobody in that company new
>anything
> about VMS/DEC hardware. Is it a coincidence? Maybe it is and maybe it isn't.
The guys running the NT boxes are pretty bright. Don't shoot the
messenger. It happened.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reiserfs (was: Some Windows weirdnesses...)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:59:56 -0400
"Rob S. Wolfram" wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Even the ungraceful shutdowns aren't too bad, if one uses something
> >like reiserfs -- a full-fledged data-journaling file system.
> >(Disclaimer: I don't have it on my system, so can't say from personal
> >experience.)
>
> I do, and I have some mixed feelings about it. It seems stable, but it
> does seem to need quite a bit more I/O than ext2, which is sometimes
> visible on my P233/32MB notebook. What I do miss the most, though, is
> the extended file attributes like "immutable" and "append only".
>
> >ext2fs isn't bad, either, although it's not quite as trustworthy.
>
> I disagree here. The only thing is that with ext2 it takes quite a bit
> longer to get the filesystem in a sane state after a dirty shutdown. One
> of these days[1] I'll experiment with ext3, which is supposed to be 100%
> compatible with ext2. If this will work correctly with e2compression, it
> will be *very* cute. /me wonders...
>
> >By contrast, FAT is flat. :-) (FAT16 was also *fat*; on modern
> >drives, the cluster sizes were ridiculously huge. Thank goodness
> >that FAT32 eventually came about -- but ext2 was there first.)
>
> FAT32 is to me the ultimate proof that customer satisfaction is *far*
> below marketing on MS' agenda. It is just an ugly and dirty hack to
> overcome the ever increasing cluster size, while Microsoft already had a
> far superior filesystem in the field, namely NTFS. I cannot see any
> technical reason why FAT32 was introduces i.o. implementing the already
> existing NTFS code in 9x.
1) It had the digits "32" the name
2) putting NTFS on a non-LoseNT system would inspire customers to ponder
how many other NT features should be in Lose95/98.
>
> [1] ... or weeks or months ...
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
> --
> Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
> "Linux: the operating system with a CLUE...
> Command Line User Environment".
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trauma 98-00
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:09:05 +0200
Paul Gresham wrote:
> Yep, I am using Windblows 98SE ... actually another benefit of a dual boot system
> is that its really easy to copy the True Type fonts over to the Linux partition
> and use them in X, The few benefits of Windows, plus all the benefits of Linux.
> Now when will they port Visio ?
The only feature i miss from Visio is the capability to connect to at
DataBase and draw a diagram. Try to play wiht "dia".. its great
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:08:53 -0400
[groups snipped]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> tinman wrote:
>
> > I can tell that if we continue, my french will broaden significantly.
>
> I recommend "La Methode a Mimile" a handbook of slang, and a spoof
> of the famous French series "La Methode Assimil" (out of which I
> learnt Russian when I was a kid)
Thanks!
> > I do wonder whether Dave is in
> > fact just a bot--not necessarily of the computer kind, perhaps rather a
> > reduced personality. ('
> Even the Grrrreat Mutlu was only part-bot, the bot-part being
> the bit that would fetch random quotes from his huge database
> of "atrocities perpetrated by Armenians against Turks" (tm)
>
> > Personally, I enjoy Dave's conversations, in a sort of minimalist
> > bad-imitation-of-phillip-glass-wannabe sort of way.
>
> Yes, Phillip Glass *is* a bit repetitive, isn't he?
Indeed, but refreshing from time to time--much like gregorian chants.
> Satyagraha was nice, but Akhnaten ...(at least the Ancient
> Egyptian could have been sung in something *resembling*
> Ancient Egyptian--then I could have put up with the
> saw. I have gone back to Carl Orff and Kurt Weill, and
> distantly resembling Glass, but vastly superior, Balinese
> music/theatre)
Don't know much at all about that....
> >
> > So which of the advocacy groups do you call home?
>
>
> comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
> Why?
So I could snip groups...("
> I had two hideous mishaps with Windoze over the past
> very few years, and the last was just... I am no longer
> touching Windoze, except with a twenty-foot pole, because
> my printer is a WinPrinter. I have to relearn everything...
> I am exaggerating: only a LOT of things. Thank goodness I had
> some exposure to Unix 15 years ago. It helps.
I'm trying to gear up for some unix myself, but to get ready for OS X.
Been farting around with the server version, but I'm not really up to
speed in the CLI (yet).
--
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tinman
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