Linux-Advocacy Digest #836, Volume #27 Fri, 21 Jul 00 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: No win situation for Linux market ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: No win situation for Linux market ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Star Office to be open sourced (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: help - could i clone a linux redhat os? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: savage4, help (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Dan)
Emmanuel Goldstein will be interrogated by Big Brother at 9:00 am Friday 21 July
2000 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: No win situation for Linux market
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Re: C# is a copy of java ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I just don't buy it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Maximum Linux ("Bobby D. Bryant")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No win situation for Linux market
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:47:39 -0400
Davorin Mestric wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wait for a couple of CAD programs to be ported to Linux.
> > This will lead to an installation base rivalling or even
> > surpassing HP and Sun workstations. Such a market will be
> > hard to ignore, as it will grow MUCH more rapidly than did
> > HP and Sun on the desktop.
>
> so, are you saying that linux will take its marketshare away from Sun
> and HP, and not from Windows?
No...
It will take market share from Tier-2 and Tier-3 auto suppliers
who are currently using AutoCAD and other Windows-based CAD
programs, which then have to be converted to UniGraphics (GM),
CATIA (Chrysler) or SDRC I-DEAS (Ford) before their designs
will be used.
The Tier-1 and Tier-"1/2" suppliers (like, say, Delphi and Visteon)
CHARGE the subcomponent manufacturers for converting their drawings
from AutoCAD to the Unix-based CAD platform of choice.
These companies are often comparative shoe-string operations,
who don't weather economic downturns very well (a recession
can wipe these guys out pretty quickly), so they have a dire need
to do as much penny-pinching as possible.
If they can do the following:
1: Use cheap, off the shelf PC hardware
and
2: run a Unix-style operating system at or below M$ Windows price
so that they can
3: run UG/I-DEAS/CATIA,
....then they will dump Windows in a heartbeat.
For one, it gives them access to the designer/detailers/checkers
who have worked in Tier-1, Tier-1/2 suppliers and at the auto
companies themselves without having to convert them down to
the comparatively feeble AutoCAD platform.
Already, I am seeing Linux in Tier-2 and -3 suppliers in place
as file servers, etc.
I can see the manufacturers eventually migrating to Linux,
but not after they have seen it prove itself in the Tier-2
and below shops.
But..basically, as a platform for CAD work, Windows' days are numbered.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 03:59:28 GMT
What a bunch of brown-nosed idiots! I don't see why they don't just
try running Linux on any system and seeing how reliable it is. The
hardware is cheap enough that they could do so for $45 (really!) and
realize why we have these amazing uptimes. Until I switched to Linux,
I had Win95, which crashed more frequently than 1,000,000 drunk
drivers on a closed track.
Unfortunately, not only is a sucker born every minute, a slick
salesperson is born every second.
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:39:47 -0500, DanH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8jjdc0$igk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> The is a follow and expansion up to my initial posting to this thread.
><...snip...>
>> My original posting has recieved two flames by email from a couple of
>> winvocates that prowl COLA. Their emails were worded differently, but
>> delivered about the same message. The have accused me of fabricating my
>> uptime report. They knew it was a lie because the knew that Linux is
>> not stable enough to run this long. I was chided for wasting network
>> bandwidth with my lies. I replied to both of them with the have
>> message, "Jealous?".
>>
>> I have also been the got the pleseant experience of a minor email
>> bombing by another winvocate that prowls through COLA. As I said it was
>> a minor attack, with only 17 copies of the same message. What an anemic
>> attack, I guess his copy of Windows (according to the header lines) must
>> have crashed before he finished his attack. ;-)
>>
>> What I find interesting, is that the winvocates are so public in their
>> replies to just about everything else, but the initial posting of this
>> thread drew only private reactions from them. I wonder if they were
>> just trying to beFUDdle me into silence.
>
>
>My desktop box at work:
> uptime
> 8:35pm up 345 days, 10:54, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
>
>It's doing seti@home right now and has been for most of a year. It's also
>my desktop and used and abused daily. Right now it's got X, 18 desktops,
>6 xterms, netscape twice, XCMail, Code Crusader, pan, fetchmail, nfs client
>and various and assundry normal day-to-day operation programs and
>daemons running.
>
>When netscape crashes, kill netscape, not the box.
>
>DanH
>--
>UNIX - Not just for vestal virgins anymore
>Linux - Choice of a GNU generation
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No win situation for Linux market
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:53:06 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:33:54 -0700, Davorin Mestric
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Wait for a couple of CAD programs to be ported to Linux.
> >> This will lead to an installation base rivalling or even
> >> surpassing HP and Sun workstations. Such a market will be
> >> hard to ignore, as it will grow MUCH more rapidly than did
> >> HP and Sun on the desktop.
> >
> > so, are you saying that linux will take its marketshare away from Sun
> >and HP, and not from Windows?
>
> Windows users are already vendorlock addicts. It is the Unix
> market that provides the most amount of replaceability and
> the most likely early adopters.
I'm seeing Linux replacing NT for file/mail servers in Tier-2 and Tier-3
suppliers that are otherwise all Microsoft shops...for the simple reason
that Linux costs about $2000 less than NT, is more powerful, runs on
the same hardware, and HP or Sun servers aren't even in consideration
for these businesses.
they are already relying on Linux, and the admins trust it MUCH
more than any version of windows. Give them a big-league CAD
platform (CATIA, UniGraphics, or SDRC I-Deas), and they'll jump
on it.
>
> Whereas the WinDOS crowd is still worried about the bulletpoints
> on the back of the Office2000 box.
>
> --
> Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
>
> That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Star Office to be open sourced
Date: 21 Jul 2000 04:11:13 GMT
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:39:49 +0100, phil hunt wrote:
>On 20 Jul 2000 12:14:50 +0100, Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, you could have a standard parser. And then on top of this, you would
>have to have another parser for each DTD.
I don't think this is true. There are general XML APIs that aren't
tied to any specific DTDs. You'd need a whole bunch of different
tag handlers for each DTD, but the parsing itself is usually offloaded
to the API.
The XML APIs I've seen either build trees or trigger event handlers
for different tags.
>Perhaps, perhaps not.
>If they were the same, they'd probalby be embedded in different levels,
>eg:
>
><ps>
> <process>
> <pid>
Why not something like this:
<ps id=360 user=504 name="ps -ax"></ps>
?
Still, I don't believe that XML is the solution to the worlds problems
either. Actually, if a file format is properly documented and not too
badly designed, it's not that hard to parse anyway.
When life gets tough is when you have file formats that are not documented
properly and as a result, you have to cross your fingers and hope that
you've correctly "guessed" the format of the file in question.
--
Donovan
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help - could i clone a linux redhat os?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:06:21 -0400
neo wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> i would like to know if i could clone a redhat operating
> system,i.e copy a running redhat o/s to a new harddisk.which means once
> i i installed the new harddisk in a different machine, i should be able
> to boot redhat immediately.is this possible?.if it is how could i do
> this?
Yes, I did this frequently at GM with HP machines that came in from
other sites, and we didn't feel like trying to figure out their
configuration. Simpler to just reload the OS.
So, what we did was set up one system, and then clone it.
First, go to single user mode.
# init s
To copy the entire disk, we ran this command.
(HP-UX)# dd if=/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0 of=/dev/rdsk/c0t0d1 bs=128
The equivalent in Linux would be
For 2 IDE disks, both on IDE controller 1, image disk master,
blank disk on slave
(LINUX)# dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=128
for SCSI, lets say image disk is on SCSI 0, blank on SCSI 1
(LINUX)# dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=128
MAKE SURE you change the SCSI address of the newly-copied disk
from 1 to 0 when you install it on the new system.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: savage4, help
Date: 21 Jul 2000 04:16:50 GMT
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:06:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi.
>
>I've posted this question here before, but got no help. Also, I have
>more details now.
This is an advocacy group, not a help group. Try
comp.os.linux.setup
comp.os.linux.x
Good luck ! Sorry, I don't know how to help you, if I did I would.
If I were in your situation, I'd see if your card is really not supported,
and if it isn't, I'd just go buy a cheap second hand
video card ( for example, Matrox Millenium II ), but that's just me.
Cheers,
--
Donovan
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:43:26 -0700
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
JS/PL wrote:
> "Joe Ragosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > Enough facts for Microsoft to be convicted of breaking numerous laws.
> >
> >
> > It only takes one judge, btw.
>
> It takes more than one judge. That's the beauty of the legal system.
You are SO naive. ONE judge determines the facts, the trial judge. That is
the beauty of the legal system - the judge who sat in the court room and saw the
witnesses is the one who decides what are the facts upon which the law is
applied.
>
> MS was on the path to being railroaded by this judge from day one which was
> his first mistake.
The mistake was losing credibility in the eyes of THE ONE judge who determines
what the facts are and which witnesses are trustworthy. That finding is not over
turned - the two sides had very different stories that conflicted and one side
was found not credible.
> The findings of fact are the culmination of his
> railroading activity. No Microsoft evidence was looked at during his
> "finding of fact" where he merely re-wrote the DOJ's opening statements. It
> will all be thrown out.
The finding of fact telescoped the Judge's opinion of MS's defense and he gave
them ample time to settle. The defendant refused. Judges do not take the
average of two conflicting stories -- all evidence was looked at and some was
rejected. It shows just how serious the problems are for the defendant. The
judge has done his job and no one is going to throw the finding of fact simply
because one side performed so badly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan)
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
Date: 21 Jul 2000 04:43:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Lyday wrote:
> > Um, Yahoo Messenger. Um, ICQ. LOL.
>
> Nope. ICQ and Yahoo compatible agents are available.
In fact, one agent (everybuddy) ostensibly handles ICQ, Yahoo, AIM and
MSN messenging...
-Dan
--
Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley, Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org
Get paid for your opinions - http://epinions.scream.org/join.html
My address expires - take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Emmanuel Goldstein will be interrogated by Big Brother at 9:00 am Friday 21
July 2000
Date: 21 Jul 2000 00:44:53 -0400
in Judge Kaplan's court on the 12th floor of the Federal Court House
at 500 Pearl Street near City Hall on the Island of Manhattan. Court is in
session from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm. Emmanuel Goldstein takes the stand at
9:00 am.
Come and stand with him.
I have been asked a hundred times the question:
"Jay, how can I help the Free Software Movement? I do not code, I do not
know any program well enough to do documentation, but I want to do
something."
Tonight this old chestnut has a good answer:
Come and sit quietly and attentively in Judge Kaplan's court at the trial
of a man whose offense is to point out that you can watch DVD movies on a
free operating system, such as GNU/Linux or any of the free BSDs.
http://www.nylug.org
http://www.opendvd.org
http://www.eff.org
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu
http://www.2600.com
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu
http://eon.law.harvard.edu/h2o/property/alternatives/nimmer.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0018/howe.shtml
http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billmain.html
http://dadadada.net/~billy
http://www.columbia.edu/~mlc67
Jim Gleason, President of NYLUG, never shouts or uses unneccesary
asterisks. Here is a quote from Jim:
**You** are needed tomorrow at 500 Pearl Street, 12th floor, room 12D.
In the courtroom be absolutely silent or the bailiff will remove you.
Do not carry any cell phone or metal object into the Court building,
because you will be delayed on your way to the courtroom. You may enter
and leave freely. You are not required to sign anything to attend.
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No win situation for Linux market
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:06:55 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Quite so.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:15:38 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8l8clo$bsp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> : Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:LlId5.36590$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> : >
> : > Can you be more specific? In what way is VB failing on a large scale
that
> : is
> : > not revealed to us "little scale" programmers who are having no
trouble
> : > using VB for most anything.
>
> : Can you write a an operating system kernel in BASIC. Say a replacement
for
> : the Linux kernel?
>
> Actually, it would be possible, but not at all practical. However, it
> might be practical to use VB to write a VB application kernel.
>
> The point Drestin is making here, is strictly from an application
> programming standpoint, I think.
I didn't notice that qualification of the argument, but even then he
argument that VB is the equal of C would not be accurate.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:12:45 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8l8cmt$bsp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> : Care to write a OS kernel in BASIC?
>
> Care to write an OS kernel is perl? What's you point?
> Why are you harping on this nonsense?
Because it is not nonsense. It is a perfect refutation of the opinion that
BASIC is the equal of C. YouR mentioning the use of perl for systems
programming is the perfect addition to support my point, thank you.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:44:14 -0400
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>
>
> Ah, Pascal. I have fond memories of my first proper programming
> language...
Are you insane?
>
> Donal.
> --
> Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
> realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
> -- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:47:31 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > abraxas wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Drestin Black wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >> > news:8kefaj$3p2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > Rob:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I didn't read the code because I have a few questions before I
> even
> > > >> > begin to
> > > >> > > > think about how to do this in windows.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > You didnt read the code because you CANT read the code, dresden.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > and again, you provide nothing but an attempt at insult. go
> mutilate
> > > >> > yourself some more...
> > > >>
> > > >> It's only an insult because it's TRUE!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > oh really? prove it. How do I know you are a "unix systems engineer" -
> cause
> > > > your overlong sig says so? I mean, it's obvious abracadabra is a lying
> sak
> > > > without computer skills beyond peck and pray - but you are even more
> > > > undocumented...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I bet he knows what 'su' means.
> >
> > opinions vary:
> >
> > "substitute user" or "super user"
> >
> > either way, the true meaning is the same.
> >
> > heheh hhehehehhe
> >
>
> OUCH! You are wrong, well, right and wrong. Lets see if the unix zealots
> will jump on you as they did me when I tried this variation of the
> explaination. Remember, to them the linux way is the only way and it's
> inconceivable that anyone else ever did it differently BL (Before Linus)
>
> p.s., how do you mean "substitute user" means the same as "super user"? And
> what happened to "switch user"
Same thing.
su without an argument switches to super user.
early implementations of su wouldn't allow a regular user to su
to another regular user...one could only do that if su was run
from root.
Eventually, this was rounded out...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I just don't buy it
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:50:25 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:20:22 -0700
> > <8l67ju$k1e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:40:42 -0700, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >> >Would you want to maintain your financial records on the server?
> > >>
> > >> Encryption.
> > >
> > >Who supplies the encryption software
> >
> > Interesting question, that. Ideally, one could use PGP.
> >
> > > Where is the key stored?
> >
> > The public key can be stored wherever you want; broadcast
> > it from the rooftops.
> >
> > You are in charge of the private key. (Don't lose it! :-) )
> >
> > >Could the data ever hit the server without encryption?
> >
> > That's up to you; presumably, you encrypt it using your public
> > key on your local box and ship it over. Once encrypted, only
> > you can decrypt it using your private key.
> >
> > >Could you be sure that data is secure?
> >
> > With a rock-solid double-key encryption system, it's not much of
> > an issue; without the private key, it's so much hash.
> >
> > At least, as far as the state of the art of technology goes;
> > however, there are interesting developments in the state
> > of quantum computing -- although one might say that's in its
> > "embryony", not even its infancy -- which would allow for the
> > simultaneous testing of a whole mess of keys at once (a photon
> > is a boson, after all).
> >
> > Just when you thought it was safe to enter that credit card
> > number into the web browser... :-)
> >
>
> When your are using a diskless "thin client", and all your software is
> supplied over the net from the servers public key cryptography is no
> protection. That is the vision of .NET.
'
GAG! I remember when Sun tried that 10 years ago, and that was
with only ONE segment of ethernet between the workstation and the
server.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Maximum Linux
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:06:30 -0500
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> So, what do you say? Is it 'window
> managers' or 'Windows Managers'?
In English structures of this type, the first word is almost always
singular. E.g., a "truck driver" remains a "truck driver" no matter how
many trucks he drives. (There are a few exceptions, such as "rules
lawyer".)
I think your author was just confused by the proper name of the MS OS. For
Linux, it's "window manager(s)".
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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