Linux-Advocacy Digest #836, Volume #34 Tue, 29 May 01 10:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Dan Pidcock)
Re: Opera (Dan Pidcock)
Re: Time to bitc__ again bitchflamelinuxstinks (SteveCampbell)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (pip)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("~¿~")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news (pip)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (.)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("~¿~")
Re: Linux Capability (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Jan
Schaumann)
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("2 + 2")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Villy
Kruse)
Re: Why should an OS cost money? (George P. Nelson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:31:30 GMT
On Tue, 29 May 2001 06:52:13 -0400, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Daniel Johnson wrote:
>> > > We *now* know that Netscape had terrible
>> > > code quality problems that precluded any
>> > > such strategy from working.
>> >
>> > No, we dont.
>>
>> It was pretty easy to guess they had
>> a problem even before they open
>> sourced it- NetScape always suffered
>> from terrible stability problems.
>
>OK... you A+CANT be this stupid... so you HAVE to be dishonest.
>Netscape open sourced to gain unpaid developers. They were hoping they
>could hold of m$ in this way. Stop lying... to us and yourself.
Are you saying Netscape was stable before they went OS? I remember
using netscape 3.x and 4.x on Irix before they were open source.
Browse for long enough, open a few windows at once (10 or so) and BANG
netscape goes bye-bye. Recently I've been using 4.6 on Linux and that
is also very bad. Not sure if this version post-dates OS NS tho.
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:31:31 GMT
On Tue, 29 May 2001 03:30:57 -0400, "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <1104_990887593@terry>, "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Many of you seem to be having troubles with your browsers and the
>> features some of them have. If you want a really useful, Linux compliant
>> browser, try Opera.
>
>I did try it. Found out i had to upgrade my libjpeg.so to 62. Then I
>found out my RPM isn't the right version (and coudln't find a tarball of
>libjpeg) then found out in order to upgrade RPM I had to upgrade GLIBC.
Yes I had a similar experience with SuSE 6.3. I have now got Mandrake
8.0 and SuSE 7.1 (7.0?) so it should work with this. Also the
konqueror fm/web browser that comes with kde 2 may mean I don't have
to resort to Netscape/Opera so frequently...
Opera should make it obvious on the download part of their site what
the pre-requisites are and which distro's meet them.
>What a pain in the ass. And I really wanted to use OPera since I liked it
>under Windowws. Unfortunately I ran into problems in Linux that never
>cropped up in Windows. I downloaded Opera and within 5 min I was
>browsing with it....never have done that yet with Opera in Linux.
I think it is similar to you downloading a 32-bit version of Opera and
trying to install it on win3.1. Due to the rapid development of Linux
this is a likely problem.
Dan
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From: SteveCampbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again bitchflamelinuxstinks
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:27:21 +0100
i think if you read the subject of this that you will see that our focus
group has come up with this as the ultimate mandrake header to absolutely
garrauntee responses.
[BeoWulf] wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that whenever someone puts the words *flame* or
> *bitch* in the subject header of the post, this particular post receives
> many more responses than any other posts, or is that just my imagination?
> ;-Þ
>
> Got a question? Just post as "I really don't want to start another
> flamewar". You'll get all the attention you want, LOL...
>
>
> ;-)
>
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:55:00 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19255.html
>
> After all the bleating about IIS, now I see an Apache server has been
> hacked. SourceForge uses SSH... hmmm...
Please highlight the passage in the article that says this (please
quote).
Besides which - ALL PROGRAMS HAVE BUGS. IIS and Apache. The difference
is the way one deals with them. In an open source system you can examine
the exploit, patch and compile. With M$ you have to wait. And Wait, And
Wait. Maybe beg a little. That is if they admit that there is a problem.
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:55:30 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b12c815$0$79458$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9etape$vih$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers Balanced Reporting: Windows Rulez, Linux Sux <---- example of
> > Chads so-called balanced reporting.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiners balanced reporting: Although Linux had made big
inroads
> > into the desktop market, hardware comptibility is one of the number one
> > issues on the development radar <------ TRUE balanced reporting.
> >
> > Notice the difference?
"hardware comptibility is one of the number one issues on the development
radar "
ONE of the number one issues? What the f....
What "uni" was that you attended again?
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:58:07 +0100
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
> I prefer XEmacs and read news and mail with GNUS. The problems
> being described for mailing lists simply do not exist. There simply is
> no difference between the way I read email and the way I read Usenet.
>
> OK?
Is the threading problem ( esp on klm ) caused by Netscape ? I would not
be surprised - It does however not have a problem with NG's.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: 29 May 2001 12:59:21 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19255.html
> After all the bleating about IIS, now I see an Apache server has been
> hacked. SourceForge uses SSH... hmmm...
Where on earth does it say that an apache server was hacked? Do you understand
that the sourceforge network contains many more than just webservers?
Apparantly not, you stupid limey.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:07:11 GMT
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 23:19:07 +1200,
> Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> What a Ubermoron, hes not scared of a Kiwi, hahahahahahaahh!
> >>
> >> They'll hold ya up in the air by the skull (using only one hand), while
> > they
> >> bite ya feet off, you twit.
> >>
> >> In one classic battle with the English, the Maori warriors, went and
> > re-loaded
> >> the guns of the dying soldiers, cause the battle wasn't lasting long
> > enough!
> >
> > If I was a US citizen, I would be happy that there are African
Americans,
> > because if there weren't, you would have a whole country like Utah,
filled
> > with boring white people, listening to blue grass music whilst going
from
> > door to door "preaching" about god.
> Hahaha, I feel the same way about Indiginous Australians :)
>
> >
> > What do the Americans have has a challenge when their teams go over
seas?
> > for a country that is that is older than New Zealand, they don't have
much
> > in the way of culture, unless you include hamburgers and Elvis as
"culture".
Maybe because they were not fortunate enough to attend your "uni", where
English is taught so VERY well.
Or perhaps, unlike you, they wern't born with a silver foot in their mouth.
> True, but I must say, I've always liked Americans.
I'm welling up ... (-:
> > I have a feeling ubertrol is just one of those people. A person who
lacks
> > style, culture and maturity maturity.
> Nahh ;-)
Still attacking, huh Matthew? <yawn>
> > So that I don't have to hear his TPT
> > responses, I've just kill filed him.
> You won't miss anything.
<Elvis voice>
"I'm sooooooo huuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttt"
</Elvis voice>
> > Not because I disagree with his
> > responses, but because not one of his posts get into the nitty-gritty
> > details of Windows vs. Linux.
And yours do? Please. Oh, and thank you for kill filing me because that only
proves what I've known all along. But at least you know when to get out of
the kitchen.
See ya!
> I've read Ubermorons posts for years, since about 1997, when he posted to
> COLA the usual Linux new user problems. Oddly nothing seemed to help
> and within a few months he 'became' an overt Wintroll. Flatfish had a
> similar beginning...
Actually, it was before that. Helped? I didn't need much help.
I still use Linux and enjoy doing so. I've no need to 'toot' my horn as does
Matthew ...
about what "uni" I attended, or what "things in the industry" I've
accomplished.
I just follow the parade. Matthew takes himself a *little* too seriously,
and that's when he shows his ass.
> > All he gives in superficial responses based
> > on no technical knowledge what so ever.
That's certainly your opinion ---
But I don't know of one single developer/professor/"uni-graduate"
who would give more than cursory glance at someone claiming your skills with
your English.
> In other words ... a Wintroll.
Whatever you say!
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Subject: Re: Linux Capability
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:34:17 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Glitch wrote:
>
> too bad so many people use AOL shit. I gues people never thoguht there
> might be something better out there.
Same as with MS?
--
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Burkhard Wölfel
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:17:36 -0000
* wade blazingame wrote:
> Threading is almost never
> supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers.
Then you're using the wrong MUA.
Mutt (http://www.mutt.org) and Gnus (was it http://www.gnus.org?) both
thread very nicely.
-Jan
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Jan Schaumann
http://www.netmeister.org
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:21:54 -0400
All of these heavily parallel VLIW chips will be adept at video.
MAJC is geared in particular to exploit heavily parallel processing at the
thread level and, your favorite buzzwork, multiprocessing level as well as
instruction level.
64 bit is not where the tech challenge lies.
2 + 2
J Perrimato Fectuzo wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>MAJC is primarily intended for video processing. this is the big flaw in
>your argument. you're pitting itanium against MAJC instead of against
>SPARC! SPARC is in its third generation as a 64-bit and all of the sudden
>intel is going to destroy sun on it's FIRST TRY?!?! I DON'T THINK SO!!!
>solaris has also been 64-bit for a very long try and not only is microsoft
>going to implement 64-bit NT for the first time, it's going to do so under
a
>COMPLETELY NEW SOFTWARE ARCHITECTURE AND STILL "DEFEAT" SUN (ignoring that
>they have to get through ibm and hp for the moment)?!?!?
>
>PLEASE!
>
>this is no threat to sun for another 5-10 years and by then sun will be
>using 128-bit architecture. intel better buy MIPS or ARM now!
>
>p.s. i am an intel shareholder as well as sun!
>
>--
>
>J Perry Fecteau
>Voted Number One Man on the Internet
>http://perry.fecteau.com/
>
>"2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9etjat$tel$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The Itanium has VLIW instructions (don't confuse the size of these with
>> Itanium's 64 bit data type environment--64 bit is of much significance
>> itself but not the real story here).
>>
>> For backward capatibility in the Intel world only, the IA64 chips include
>a
>> IA32 chip on board as well. So, yes, Linux and Windows and any Unix
>> implementation geared to the x86 line could run on it, but no one would
do
>> that, since the IA32 onboard chip is not state of art.
>>
>> The Itanium is basically a "proof of concept" chip. That's why I call
>> Windows XP Workstation/Server eXPimental. But all of this first
generation
>> of VLIW is basically an experiement to see how it plays out in the real
>> world.
>>
>> Sun is not supporting Itanium at all, and have their own rough
equivalent,
>> called MAJC for "Microprocessor Architecture for Java Computing." All of
>> these VLIW chips go beyond RISC/CISC which is a term of little relevance
>in
>> a world of OOO, long pipelines, branch prediction, etc.
>>
>> In particular, the VLIW compilers are very demanding. The chip itself is
>not
>> the real challenge, since the whole point is taking much functionality
out
>> of silicon and doing it in software, so the high transistor counts can
>CRANK
>> IT UP for big scientific, database, multimedia and other high demand
uses.
>>
>> The whole point is that the next IA64 chip could have 8 parallel
execution
>> slots instead of 4. This depends on compilers feeding the beast by, in
>> effect, making parallel code and overcoming bottlenecks such as loading.
>>
>> Specialized execution engines, such as .NET and Java, have the advantage
>> with JIT compilers that can benefit from code that has already been
>massaged
>> down to an intermediate stage such as bytecode or IL.
>>
>> 2 + 2
>>
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote in message
<9esfpd$6m9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >Let me see, I can either choose AIX-5L, HP-UX, Solaris, Linux 2.4 or
>> Windows 64bit, which is unproven. Most people know which one's
>> >I will consider in a large Itanium server roll out. A clue for the
>> clueless, it ain't Windows.
>> >
>> >Just because SUN and IBM don't advertise on the end luser magazines like
>> .net or PCWorld, doesn't mean they no product's. I guess
>> >your ignorance is due to too much exposure around Windows.
>> >
>> >Matthew Gardiner
>> >--
>> >I am the blue screen of death
>> >Nobody can hear your screams
>> >----
>> >I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
>> >go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
>> >"rgs50" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:4whQ6.105$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Yes, Sun and IBM have VLSI chips but they do not have Microsoft in
>back
>> of
>> >> them producing a KILLER OS ( Windows 2000 TWO or whistler or Win NT
>> 64 ).
>> >> There are also over 300 applications already ported to the Itanium
with
>> over
>> >> 4,000 ( four thousand ) in the process of being ported to Itanium.
>Also
>> >> when the 386 was introduced it hit the market like a brick hitting a
>> plate
>> >> glass window and was selling at 50 % or more than the chips list price
>> >> because there was so much demand.
>> >>
>> >> Robert G Smith
>> >>
>> >> 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:9erv5h$ctg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >
>> >> > Snauk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> > > Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Kenny Chaffin wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Not gonna happen. People trust sun servers. What operating
>system
>> are
>> >> > >> > they gonna use on the chip? Solaris is proven on sun hardware,
>> >> > certainly
>> >> > >> > not on Itanium or even much used on pentiums....
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> But what about Linux,
>> >> > >> and IBM's commitment to Linux?
>> >> >
>> >> > Linux is one of Intel's biggest customers on the server. Also, the
>> Linux
>> >> > camp has the talent to develop the compilers that this chip
requires.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course, Itanium, if successful, is the VLIW successor for both
>> Windows
>> >> > and Unix.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, both Sun and IBM have competing VLIW chips.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2 + 2
>> >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
>> >> > >> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
>> >> > >> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
>> >> > >
>> >> > >When you see IBM using Linux as opposed to their Unix variant then
>> maybe.
>> >> > >Also IBM makes their own chips for a lot of the high end servers.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: 29 May 2001 13:46:07 GMT
On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:17:36 -0000,
Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>* wade blazingame wrote:
>> Threading is almost never
>> supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers.
>
>Then you're using the wrong MUA.
>
>Mutt (http://www.mutt.org) and Gnus (was it http://www.gnus.org?) both
>thread very nicely.
>
How does it do this without In-Reply-To: headers or something similar?
Even if mutt or gnus generates those headers, that doesn't make every
other mail program do the same.
Villy
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From: George P. Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should an OS cost money?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:02:48 GMT
Anonymous wrote:
> mlw wrote:
>
>> I don't much care which, Linux, Herd, BSD, but there should be one
>> standard from which all originate. OS wars hinder overall progress
>> and innovation. The real issue is the combat between open operating
>> systems or an operating system run by a megalomaniac company.
>
> I really don't view having Linux, HURD, and BSD
> as being a hindrance. They're all open source
> and people can use what they want.
>
> The real issue is having hardware platforms
> that are neutral. Right now, the licensing
> arrangements force hardware manufacturers
> to bundle Windows along with all their low-end
> machines. So end users who don't want Windows
> still have to pay for it. But this is really
> an artifact of what used to be a Windows only
> world.
>
It's actually gotten easy enough to buy a new system without paying the
windows TAX! the last two macines I bought were Built to order from
local store front shops. All I had to do was make it clear that any &
all hardware had to work with the alternative operating system I
specified which were Linux and OS/2 respectively) of My choice.The
owners of the shops then correctly assumed ThaT I didn't want windows
so that Mr. Gates DID NOT pass GO and DID NOt collect nearly
two hundred bucks from me for his garbage.
One curious aside,In both cases the shop installed Windows anyway in
order to prove to me that they were delivering worikng hardware.,
which was of comfort to me iwhen I installed my own OS when I got
the machine home.
> Now with Linux as a viable alternative,
> many people simply buy the low-end
> machines, wipe the disk, and install Linux.
>
Since both machines were built to order. I definitely didn't get low
end hardware . I went for the most I Could afford. On the last macine
I wanted a fast CPU so it came with A TOP end AMD Athlon. processor.
- - - George Nelson
A Desktop Linux outpost On North Carolina's Outer Banks.
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