Linux-Advocacy Digest #889, Volume #27 Sun, 23 Jul 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :( ("Bill Crocker")
Re: Leninist USEFUL IDIOT denies reality, attempts a smear campaign ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Leninist Idiot Loren Petrich refuses to see reality ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LENIN'S IDIOT LOREN PETRICH sticks his head in the sand ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
LOREN PETRICH, CRYPTO-COMMIE ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Ray Chason)
Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :( (Paul Bary)
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From: "Bill Crocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :(
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:06:47 GMT
Steve:
I've used Win98SE, with ICS, and found it to be very stable, and reliable.
It is not something that MS just through in there, it is based on a very
solid NAT technology, and has been proven to work very well. That being
said, I've felt your pain, and have had similar circumstances. Sometimes
it turns out to be a simple oversight because I was in a hurry, frustrated,
and overly tired. Rather than speculate, and bounce back and fourth with
"try this", "try that", go to this site, it is very helpful!
http://www.timhiggins.com/
This NAT site may be helpful also, it is what ICS is based on:
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdmacka/the-nat-page/index.html
If all else fails, spring $160.00 for a LinkSys Ehterfast Cable / DSL
Router, and you'll be in heaven! You can read about it on the first link I
send you, and also here...
http://www.linksys.com/products/group.asp?grid=5
This is what I use now, and I never looked back!
Good luck, let us know how it turns out.
Bill Crocker
"Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I hate things that half work, like the some
> hardware under Linux and also Windows 2k. I would
> rather have something fail dead than give me half
> assed performance. That being said, I have just
> spent the last 2 days trying, in vain, to get a
> simple, very simple, network of 3 PC's going under
> Windows 98SE.
>
> This all worked very nicely under normal Win98,
> although I had to use Wingate to share an internet
> connection.
>
> The hardware:
>
> 1. Pentium 450 with Linksys 10mb PCI card. Running
> Win98SE.
> 1 K6 450 with the same card running Win98SE.
> 1 Thinkpad with a Linksys PCMCIA 10/100 running
> Win95 OSRx
> LinkSys hub.
>
> Ok so I go through the installs of the cards and
> drivers and what not along with 50 reboots between
> all machines before everything was installed
> correctly.
>
> I can ping all three machines fine.
>
> Ok, so now I install ICS on the dialout machine (I
> use a modem), I take the diskette that was created
> and run it on the other 2 machines. So far so
> good. One minor problem though, nothing works.
>
> Turns out the host machine is not DHCP'ing
> correctly. So I assign static addresses to the
> clients and point to the host as a default
> gateway. This works but no DNS is working (ip
> addresses work ok). OK so now I put the DNS
> entries into each of the client machines. Now it
> works, but only if the host is already dialed up.
> Starting IE5 on the clients doesn't make the
> dialer dial. Ok so now I find this setting
> (default dialup?, I forget) and this works.
> Unfortunately now trying to copy files between
> shared disks is a crap shoot.
>
> Going either way from the Win95 machine works
> fine. Going from the Win98 machines between
> themselves fails with one of 2 cryptic messages:
>
> Sharing violation.
> or
>
> The resource is no longer available.
>
> What the hay does that mean?
>
> The kicker is that sometimes everything works
> fine. No reboot no nothing and it will suddenly
> NOT work, and then it will work again 10 seconds
> later.
>
> Figure that one out?
>
> Works one minute and fails the next? What kind of
> shit is this?
>
>
> After wading through MS papers on how to make this
> shit work, all day, I am totally disgusted.
>
> I have no clue as to what is going on here. No
> logs, no config files to look at, only some dumb
> fucking wizard who can't even pop a rabbit out of
> a hat. Even "I" can do that trick (I'm an amateaur
> magicician).
>
> I had everything working great under Win98 with
> Wingate and I was using Norton Firewall which when
> probed by Gibsons site showed stealth mode for
> just about every port.
>
> Upgrade to Win98SE (actually I have been using SE
> for a while but I just completed wiring my new
> house for ethernet etc) and it all turns to shit.
> Actually it wasn't an upgrade, it was a fresh
> install.
>
> BTW I don't even have Norton installed yet. Why
> complicate matters :)
>
> While I appreciate how easy Windows makes this all
> seem, it would be nice if it worked. At this point
> I can share the printer and that's about it.
>
> If I knew enough about networking (I admit to
> being clueless) I would switch to Linux, but the
> ip-chains and firewall How-To scared the hell out
> of me.
>
> Under Win98 Norton installed perfectly and worked
> great.
>
> Any available shoulders to cry on :)
>
> DP
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Leninist USEFUL IDIOT denies reality, attempts a smear campaign
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:06:29 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> [comments about Mr. Kulkis residing amidst birch trees...]
> >> Are you unable to laugh at yourself?
> >Merely noting that your only way to counter my observations of
> >historical
> >fact is to dismiss them as fairy tales.
>
> >Tell me, was it a fairy tale when Stalin had 30,000,000 people murdered?
>
> OF COURSE NOT.
>
> >> >Belorus is TIGHTLY allied with Russia, and they have been negotiating
> >> >UNIFICATIONS.
> >> Belarus maybe, but the Ukraine?
> >When did I ever alledge that Ukraine is allied with Russia.
>
> I think I ought to have made it clearer that Russia will have a
> hard time dominating the Ukraine, though it may well have a much easier
True. The Russians were MAJORLY pissed off when the Ukrainian
Navy invited the US Navy to participate in exercises in the Black
Sea in 1998.
> time dominating most other former Soviet republics. I suspect that to be
> the case because the Ukraine is (1) very populous and (2) a bit close to
> western Europe. The Baltic states are too small, and the Central Asian
> republics are too distant.
Could it also have something to do with the fact that the Moscow
governmnet slaughtered 10,000,000 Ukrainians who refused to
participate in Stalin's and *your* favorite micro-economic model:
the state collecte farm???
>
> In fact, what had happened to the Soviet empire might be called
> "Brest-Litovsk II", after the WWI treaty in which Lenin gave Germany
> Finland, the Baltic states, eastern Poland, and the Ukraine. This is one
> reason I find Mr. Kulkis's conspiracy theories *extremely* unconvincing --
The Soviet Union "lost" E. Germany? They had a full 10% of the
population working as informant on their neighbors!
> the former Soviet empire is in too much disarray for it to be some sort of
> fakery. For example, I managed to dig up a page containing some *serious*
> research into the reunification of Germany, and it is clear from it that
> the Soviet Union had *lost* Germany, that it could not stop the former
> East Germany from being part of NATO:
>
> http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/96winter/boll.htm
>
> >> >Explain why they impose Leftist speech codes on our campuses.
> >> Like what do you mean?
> >The ones that keep getting struck down by the US Supreme Court.
>
> >University of Michigan
> >University of California at Berkely
> >University of Minnesota
>
> How are they "leftist"?
>
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:11:30 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Gary Hallock in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
>> Said Gary Hallock in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Quite possible. If you have any suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them.
>> >> I think it may be so contrary to your experience that you might consider
>> >> any statement of it to be difficult to understand.
>> >
>> >There you go with the insults again!
>>
>> There you go with the assumptions again. I meant that literally, not as
>> an insinuation of a lack of experience on John's part.
>
>Actually, I think it is because you have no idea what you are talking about, so
>can't possibly explain it. Wasn't it you who said the teacher was responsible
>if the student didn't understand something?
No, I said it was the teacher's fault if their explanation is not clear,
though that is a very similar sentiment. Not being an expert doesn't
mean you "have no idea what you're talking about". Even being ignorant
doesn't mean you "have no idea what you're talking about". Everybody
has an idea of what they're talking about. Check 'idea' and 'talking'
in the dictionary if you are confused on this point.
[...]
>If anything, the market has created the demand for a desktop that can handle
>many tasks at once. You have it backwards. Human beings can and do multitask
>in daily life. It makes sense, and the market demands it, that a desktop
>computer be able to handle the multiple tasks that a human being wants to do.
You confuse the concepts of humans performing multiple tasks
simultaneously (which they don't generally do on desktop systems),
humans performing multiple tasks serially (which they do regularly on a
desktop system, known as task-switching), and computer's ability to
execute multiple processes serially, but task-switching so quickly that
it looks like multi-tasking to the human. Most Linux users use their PC
as a combination workstation/server/desktop, not just a desktop. To
understand what a "desktop" is according to the market, observe the
millions upon millions of users who point-and-click all day at the
office, but *don't* then go home and play around on their PC. They
might have a home computer, and surf the web and maybe email. But just
as at the office, they generally only have one application running at a
time. A system which assumes that because the CPU has to multitask,
then the human is multitasking, is an over-generalization, that's all.
[...]
>As has been explained to you many times, PMT is not simply about some
>"engineering efficiency" (there's that nasty word again). PMT lets a computer
>respond to a human being in human terms. CMT does not. If you have a better
>idea, great. Let's hear it.
You'll have to check deja news; you must have missed it in your haste to
insult me. But given your attitude, I wouldn't bother; I'm sure you'll
be unable to consider it worth your time. It has the word 'engineer' in
it, and you seem to think that's a bad word. It also mentions the fact
that technical efficiency (is that one OK?) is *not* of sole and
transcendent value in consumer technology.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
applicable licensing agreement]-
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Leninist Idiot Loren Petrich refuses to see reality
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:08:20 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> >> >> The birch trees I have in mind are John Birch trees :-)
> >> >Are you implying that there is a birchy-man hiding under our collective
> >> >beds?
> >> No, that your views are childish, Red-under-the-bed conspiracy theories.
>
> >Why did the Chinese Communists contribute over $3,000,000 to the
> >Democrats?
>
> First, that issue is *TOTALLY* separate from the question of
> whether the Communist are lurking behind the scenes in the former Soviet
> empire.
Beijing and Moscow are quite buddy-buddy these days. In fact, Russia
is currently building several warships for China. Or are you going to
deny this FACT also.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: LENIN'S IDIOT LOREN PETRICH sticks his head in the sand
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:08:58 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <8ldqp0$2qr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) writes:
>
> >>>> The birch trees I have in mind are John Birch trees :-)
> >>>Are you implying that there is a birchy-man hiding under our collective
> >>>beds?
> >> No, that your views are childish, Red-under-the-bed conspiracy theories.
>
> >If someone is a communist, then they should be proud of it... That doesn't
> >mean that everyone will agree with that person's philosophy (I certainly
> >don't.) When someone has strong self-doubt, and won't admit to their
> >beliefs, then at least one of their problems is within themselves.
>
> >People whom I have known and are communists are most fun to discuss
> >issues with when they are honest about their beliefs. Alot of the
> >bad feelings that occur in discussion is when one side or another
> >isn't being forthright, and people don't say what they really mean
> >or believe.
>
> ?????
>
> What's your point?
The point is that you wilfully REFUSE to see reality.
>
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: LOREN PETRICH, CRYPTO-COMMIE
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:10:49 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Petrich is the classic crypto-commie.
>
> To a resident of certain groves of birch trees, maybe.
>
> And yes, I mean John Birch trees :-)
You write like a paranoid conspiracy nut.
By the way, you STILL haven't answered the question about how your
ideology differs from the communists.
We're waiting! [tapping foot].
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: 23 Jul 2000 14:43:30 GMT
"Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[snips]
>
>"Ray Chason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Doesn't spread viruses as described in
>http://www.msnbc.com/msn/432208.asp ?
>
>File not found
>
>Our Web servers cannot find the page or file you asked for:
>
>http://www.msnbc.com/msn/432208.asp
I should have known better than to think that a story about a flaw in a
Microsoft product would long remain on a Microsoft web site.
Here's another one: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1107117
>About the only failing of Outlook and Outlook Express is the latter's
>defaulting to a less secure mode of operation; this is perhaps a poor
>decision, but let's face it - the mechanism is there to stop most such
>viruses being effective.
I'll grant that PEBKAC to a great extent. It is a bad idea to open unsafe
attachments from unknown sources; and "unknown sources" translates to
"anyone who isn't me." (So what if it came from the boss? The boss's
computer may have the virus.)
However....
Windoze is targeted at users who don't have a BS in computer science, who
want the computer to Just Work(tm), who by and large refuse to RTFM and
acquire the clues therein. Enabling the execution of unsafe attachments
by default is clearly the Wrong Thing for such users.
Then there's that nifty little feature where Lookout doesn't show the
extension, where ILOVEYOU.TXT.vbs (unsafe or at least suspicious) shows
up as ILOVEYOU.TXT (which appears to be a perfectly safe .TXT file).
>As far as I can tell, the only reason Windows is generally targetted
>for such things, rather than Linux, is sheer volume; with > 100
>million Windows boxes out there, your chances of getting such a virus
>to spread are a lot greater - because chances are you will eventually
>hit someone who's not well-enough versed in safe practices to avoid
>it. Which is to say... Windows remains a hell of a lot more popular
>that Linux, but if Linux ever changes that, then _it_ will be the
>target of such attacks, using much the same mechanisms, with much the
>same effects, for much the same reasons. Will you then be telling us
>how pathetic Linux is, because it propagates such viruses? Or will
>you finally clue in to reality - that the viruses do not represent a
>failure in either Windows or OE, but in the unsafe use of the tools?
Let us hope that the maintainers of KMail et al. have learned the
lessons of Lookout, and pop up a warning dialog before launching
anything less secure than vi.
Perl, if I understand correctly, has a "sandbox" mode where it'll refuse
to muck with files. The distinction between root and ordinary user also
helps; an unprivileged mail client can't alter system files unless the
user runs as root. (Unix has had this feature since before there was a
Microsoft.)
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: Paul Bary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :(
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:13:42 -0700
Bill Crocker wrote:
>
> Steve:
>
> I've used Win98SE, with ICS, and found it to be very stable, and reliable.
> It is not something that MS just through in there, it is based on a very
> solid NAT technology, and has been proven to work very well. That being
> said, I've felt your pain, and have had similar circumstances. Sometimes
> it turns out to be a simple oversight because I was in a hurry, frustrated,
> and overly tired. Rather than speculate, and bounce back and fourth with
> "try this", "try that", go to this site, it is very helpful!
>
> http://www.timhiggins.com/
>
> This NAT site may be helpful also, it is what ICS is based on:
>
> http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdmacka/the-nat-page/index.html
>
> If all else fails, spring $160.00 for a LinkSys Ehterfast Cable / DSL
> Router, and you'll be in heaven! You can read about it on the first link I
> send you, and also here...
>
> http://www.linksys.com/products/group.asp?grid=5
>
> This is what I use now, and I never looked back!
>
> Good luck, let us know how it turns out.
>
> Bill Crocker
>
> "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I hate things that half work, like the some
> > hardware under Linux and also Windows 2k. I would
> > rather have something fail dead than give me half
> > assed performance. That being said, I have just
> > spent the last 2 days trying, in vain, to get a
> > simple, very simple, network of 3 PC's going under
> > Windows 98SE.
> >
> > This all worked very nicely under normal Win98,
> > although I had to use Wingate to share an internet
> > connection.
> >
> > The hardware:
> >
> > 1. Pentium 450 with Linksys 10mb PCI card. Running
> > Win98SE.
> > 1 K6 450 with the same card running Win98SE.
> > 1 Thinkpad with a Linksys PCMCIA 10/100 running
> > Win95 OSRx
> > LinkSys hub.
> >
> > Ok so I go through the installs of the cards and
> > drivers and what not along with 50 reboots between
> > all machines before everything was installed
> > correctly.
> >
> > I can ping all three machines fine.
> >
> > Ok, so now I install ICS on the dialout machine (I
> > use a modem), I take the diskette that was created
> > and run it on the other 2 machines. So far so
> > good. One minor problem though, nothing works.
> >
> > Turns out the host machine is not DHCP'ing
> > correctly. So I assign static addresses to the
> > clients and point to the host as a default
> > gateway. This works but no DNS is working (ip
> > addresses work ok). OK so now I put the DNS
> > entries into each of the client machines. Now it
> > works, but only if the host is already dialed up.
> > Starting IE5 on the clients doesn't make the
> > dialer dial. Ok so now I find this setting
> > (default dialup?, I forget) and this works.
> > Unfortunately now trying to copy files between
> > shared disks is a crap shoot.
> >
> > Going either way from the Win95 machine works
> > fine. Going from the Win98 machines between
> > themselves fails with one of 2 cryptic messages:
> >
> > Sharing violation.
> > or
> >
> > The resource is no longer available.
> >
> > What the hay does that mean?
> >
> > The kicker is that sometimes everything works
> > fine. No reboot no nothing and it will suddenly
> > NOT work, and then it will work again 10 seconds
> > later.
> >
> > Figure that one out?
> >
> > Works one minute and fails the next? What kind of
> > shit is this?
> >
> >
> > After wading through MS papers on how to make this
> > shit work, all day, I am totally disgusted.
> >
> > I have no clue as to what is going on here. No
> > logs, no config files to look at, only some dumb
> > fucking wizard who can't even pop a rabbit out of
> > a hat. Even "I" can do that trick (I'm an amateaur
> > magicician).
> >
> > I had everything working great under Win98 with
> > Wingate and I was using Norton Firewall which when
> > probed by Gibsons site showed stealth mode for
> > just about every port.
> >
> > Upgrade to Win98SE (actually I have been using SE
> > for a while but I just completed wiring my new
> > house for ethernet etc) and it all turns to shit.
> > Actually it wasn't an upgrade, it was a fresh
> > install.
> >
> > BTW I don't even have Norton installed yet. Why
> > complicate matters :)
> >
> > While I appreciate how easy Windows makes this all
> > seem, it would be nice if it worked. At this point
> > I can share the printer and that's about it.
> >
> > If I knew enough about networking (I admit to
> > being clueless) I would switch to Linux, but the
> > ip-chains and firewall How-To scared the hell out
> > of me.
> >
> > Under Win98 Norton installed perfectly and worked
> > great.
> >
> > Any available shoulders to cry on :)
> >
> > DP
Gee...finally someone I can agree with...you are right on the money,
ICS is very stable but NONE of the software NAT implementations hold
a candle to the Linksys router. I particulary like the port forwarding
which allows me to run both my mail and web server within my LAN and
without the requiring additional firewalling software.
Paul
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