Linux-Advocacy Digest #889, Volume #29 Sat, 28 Oct 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why don't I use Linux? (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Linux Beats NT! (Gardiner Family)
Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE (2:1)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (2:1)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (2:1)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (2:1)
Re: MS Hacked? (2:1)
Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE (2:1)
Re: Ms employees begging for food (2:1)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (2:1)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (2:1)
Re: Another poor dork in deep shit, Claire! ("James")
Re: Another Dork With A Problem, Claire, Fix Him, Will You? ("James")
Re: Sorry, Claire, but this is urgent (Gardiner Family)
Re: Another Dork With A Problem, Claire, Fix Him, Will You? (Gardiner Family)
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (Gardiner Family)
Re: Astroturfing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Astroturfing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:20:55 GMT
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:32:27 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >True enough, there isn't a really good pascal compiler, visual & OO or
: >otherwise. It hasn't seemed to have hurt Linux so far. There are
: >several C/C++ IDEs available already, however.
:
: Yes I tried one. Yuk!
Oh! You tried *ONE*. Well, if you didn't like one, you'll probably just
hate them all, right? Let's see, I can think of CodeFusion, from the
Cygnus (now part of RedHat) people, CodeWarrior from Metrowerks, KDevelop
from the KDE people, and others. Here are links to several Linux IDEs
(from a Linuxberg mirror site):
http://rutgers.linux.tucows.com/x11html/dev_env.html
: >Not familiar with the GIMP, I see.
:
: Yep. Doesn't even come close.
Maybe in your world. I regard it as about 90% good as Photoshop, which in
turn is (IMO) about 400% better than Paint Shop Pro.
: >: Word is not my favourite tool and there is Star Office on Linux.
: >
: >Not to mention AbiWord, which, while not completed, does a heck of a
: >good job.
:
: Not completed?
Yes, you're familiar with the term, right? It means that the product
functions, but is not completely done yet. It IS possible. After all,
you don't think someone belts out thousands of lines of code instantly,
right? Not even in the Linux world does that happen.
: >Never heard of Digiguide. You want TV listings? Use one of the portal
: >sites like Yahoo! or Excite. They don't care what platform you're on,
: >as long as you've got a browser.
:
: Can I download a couple of month's worth of listings and view them offline?
So, you're downloading what's going to be on the tube a couple of months
ahead of time??? Don't take this the wrong way Pete, but you're either
in dire need of a life, or need to discover that there is indeed such a
thing as "too much organization."
: Yes, I know, the Allegro is not the best sound card. A better one is a
: Crystal/Cirrus based. Voyetra's Turtle Beach is a Crystal card.
Heck, even the $18 (US) Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI cards are better, IMHO.
Not to even mention the SB Live! family.
: >No idea. I have a Palm. Works great.
:
: One reason I don't switch to Linux.
And apparently, the Psion-HOWTO has completely eluded you.
http://www.linux.com/howto/Psion-HOWTO.html
With the utilities described there, if you wanted to use a Psion with Linux,
you can do it.
: Why don't I use Linux?
: Lack of support for my sound card for one thing.
Gee, I guess it's time to get rid of that lame excuse...
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Beats NT!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:00:05 +1300
the original one I replied to:
Subject: Re: Linux Beats NT!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:47:45 +0200
From: "anneluca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: EuroNet Internet
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4
". From the shocking reputation NT has for scalabilty, realiabilty and
> security,
are you talking about www.tcp.org ( abenchmark created by unix vendors)
where w2k got the world record ?
our web site ( with w2k) is up and running since december 99. Please, be
serious...
_______________________________________________________
I clearly stated, not webservers but internal network servers (one that stores
employee documents, serves applications and other standard stuff.
www.tcp.org stands for texas church planters.
matt
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:56:06 +0100
> > TeX (and LATeX) typesetting. Granted, I'm a math teacher and not everyone
> > wants to print math stuff.
> I can see the usefulness of this, as I am in school for Computer/Electrical
> Engineering.
They are very useful for nonmathematical stuff. I had to write some
essays (yuk) last year, and did them in LaTeX. I found it easire than
using a word processor.
-Ed
> >
> > Emacs. Text editor of the gods. Includes modes for TeX/LATeX, C, C++
> Maybe I will check this one out.
> >
> > gcc. Handy if one needs a C/C++ compiler
> Sounds like a winner there, but what version of C/C++, ANSI?
> >
> > xbill. A popular game among Linux sysadmins. The object of the game, to
> > stop bill from converting your network to toasters.
> Actually pretty fun.
> >
> > Perl and Python are scripting languages.
> >
> >
> > Colin Day
> >
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:44:55 +0100
> Incedentally, in Unix a context switch is pretty fast. It has to be
> since even a workstation-style setup typically has 20-30 processes
> running before even anyone logs in. It gets even bigger when talking
> about a machine running lots of server-type things.
It's also very dependent on the processor. IIRC, the i86 series are
fairly slow at context switching (another reason why W2K can't make a
great server--poor hardware), whereas (again, IIRC) SPARCS are much
faster.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:14:40 +0100
Michael Marion wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > I seem to recal you are people like you continually bashing Microsoft
> > for the lateness of Win2K. But Win2K was much better than anyone
> > expected and included more features than anyone expected. It advanced
> > the state of OS technology.
>
> The really sad part is that you probably really believe that 2k "advanced the
> state of OS technology."
>
> > Linux is trying to play catch-up. When you
> > look the feature list for Win2k and the feature list for Linux 2.4,
> > Win2K still has more features.
>
> Yeah right... one reason that it often takes longer to finish a linux kernel
> is because (unlike for windows) the code has to be written so that it runs,
> not only on x86 platforms, but sparc, alpha, ppc, etc.
>
> The only way that linux needs to "catch up" to windows in any way (and it has
> nothing to do with the core OS) is in the gaming arena, and it needs a DVD
> player.
Which it has, legal problems aside---in the US at any rate. Are there
any countries where it is allowed?
-Ed
>
> --
> Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
> Give a man a match and he'll be warm for an hour... Set him on fire and
> he'll be warm for the rest of his life
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:15:08 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Compaq has made a significant stink of the delayed 2.4 kernel
> > > > release.
> > > >
> > > > It's funny but I can't remember a single Windows version which wasn't
> > > > delayed by months from the target release.
> > >
> > > But I thought OSS software was supposed to be superior in all regards.
> > > Shouldn't a reasonable expectation be that it ships on time?
> >
> > The important aspect of OSS is that it work. It is a non-trivial change
> > to the kernel and I would prefer that every one takes their time.
>
> But the problem with this... you guys always say that's why Linux is
> better because there are no hard and fast deadlines, but it doesn't show.
> Linux now exceeds NT 4.0 on hacked sites list, it's taking over on the
> number of bugs list, and the response time for patches is worse than
> Microsoft in most cases. This just doesn't hold up.
>
> > When software is delivered late, people stop grumbling the day after it
> > is shipped. When software is shipped buggy, you lose credibility.
>
> Ah... I see. So when MS does this with Win2K, it's a joke, but it's ok
> with Linux right?
>
> I seem to recal you are people like you continually bashing Microsoft
> for the lateness of Win2K. But Win2K was much better than anyone
> expected and included more features than anyone expected. It advanced
> the state of OS technology. Linux is trying to play catch-up. When you
> look the feature list for Win2k and the feature list for Linux 2.4,
> Win2K still has more features.
What new technology is there in win2k?
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:32:57 +0100
> I love everyone's attitude about MS's source code somehow being "funny", or
> full of "goto's" and on and on. The truth is that none of you would more
Have you seen anu MS source code? No... didn't think so. I have seen and
used the example code for D3D programming. Ang guess what. They had a
goto in every fucking function!
If you don't believe me, look fo yourself---it's free.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:59:14 +0100
"James E. Freedle II" wrote:
>
> "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "James E. Freedle II" wrote:
> >
> > > Eventually I will learn Linux, but it will take time, but I
> > > have to get my lab reports done, and my drawings finished.
> >
> > Free clue: Windows has to be learned as well. And sometime re-learned
> after a
> > new release.
> >
> I did not have to learn Windows, I made since after looking at the
> interface. I am constantly doing things that I have not learned to do in
> Windows, where I have yet to find simular functionality in Linux.
That's just not true. You were not born able to use windows, therefore,
you must have learned to use it. I don't really remember learning to use
computers and the use computers, because they are so natural to me, but
I must have done it (my parents seem to remember me breaking them when I
was a kid).
-Ed
> >
> >
> > > BTW what comes with Linux
> > > that Windows does not have on the CD?
> >
> > Tell us what comes on the Windows CD, and we'll start a list.
> Well I guess that there is a difference there, in Windows functions are
> built into the Operating System where as they are applications or services
> in Linux.
> >
> > Actually, your last question sounds suspiciously like a Linux fan playing
> the
> > straight man, to solicit an answer to edify the lurkers.
> >
> I am a Linux fan, but not a complete user yet. I have decided that I would
> like to learn more about the Linux system before entrusting my computer to
> it fully. After all who would not like not having to keep paying every other
> year or so to use their computer. I am not going to keep paying. I just need
> to figure out what Linux applications can replace the Windows applications
> that I have now.
> >
> > Bobby Bryant
> > Austin, Texas
> >
> >
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:07:29 +0100
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:qtwJ5.1200$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Could we have this printed on some big piece of granite please?
> >
> > I guess you could just call Microsoft the FORTRAN of system houses.
> >
> > We don't know what the desktop OS of the future will look like, but
> > it will be called MS Windows.
>
> I'm looking at (and using) build 2276 of Whistler right now. The OS of the
> "home computer" future is incredibly similar to Win2K, the UI is much closer
> in appearance to Money 2001 or similar though. It is a much different UI
> than Win2k, and much different from any Win9x. I believe it will be called
> Windows.Net.
>
> Some basic stats of the first half hour of use
>
> Rock solid stability!! :-) (insert flame here)
Windows actually managed to be stable for 1/2 an hour? :-)
> Intalled flawlessly
Linux has had it for years...
> Only sees one processor.
> Sees devices the exact same as Win2k did.
Is that a good thing?
> Set up and integrated itself into a boot loader like 2k does.
eeew.
> Somehow uses 1.3gb with no other apps installed, I think the entire cd was
Jesus christ!
> copied to the HD first. Good thing 75gb hd's will be the norm next summer.
Unfortunately not im my computer :-(
> "Windows" folder is huge.
> Has some sort of movie editor added.
Hells bells! I'm buying it tomorrow, then!
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:11:27 +0100
> Pentium, Alpha, True64, VMS, OpenVMS, NT, 2K, StrongARM, etc. Compaq
> swallowed Digital and became Digital. They have the power and size to be
> a market leader, but squander all advantages they acquire. It matters
> not one bit what Compaq decides to do, they may be around for a long
> time, they may have influence, but they haven't been important since
> EISA, and that was a mistake.
I seriousy hope they do something good. The Alhpa is one fine CPU and it
would be a shame to see it squandered. If I was righer my next computer
would be an Alpha.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:24:34 +0100
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Compaq has made a significant stink of the delayed 2.4 kernel
> > release.
>
> Compaq does have a legitimate beef. They were planning to release
> the Ipaq and their Internet Appliance with the 2.4 kernel.
> Unfortunately, until Linus officially blesses something, the execs
> at Compaq can't ship product.
>
If compaq were banking money on Linux, they should have ploughed some
in, by way of donating developers or something.
I think they're after a free lunch.
-Ed
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another poor dork in deep shit, Claire!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:05:48 +0200
Guy,
You are becoming a bit of a pain in the butt. Claire/Steve is normally
quite creative in her/his trolling - and therefore provides entertainment
for many of us. You on the other hand, now pasting in problems from other
NGs, is behaving like a child. But, perhaps you are one ...
James
"Jacques Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >Okay, here's the deal:
>
> >I have a Windows 2000 server running SQL Server 7.0. This server also
> >performs the system backups which includes itself and a Novell server.
> >The windows 2000 server is having problems connecting to the Novell
> >Server. I have GSNW & IPX/SPX installed on the 2000 server. I have
> >reinstalled GSNW & IPX/SPX several times. They both appear to be
> >working properly.
>
> >Here is the strange part. I was able to connect to the Novell server
> >until I installed Veritas Backup Exec v8.0. After this installing all
> >connections to the Novell server are reported to have an unknown
> >username or wrong password.
>
> Make his Windows 2000 rock, luv!
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Dork With A Problem, Claire, Fix Him, Will You?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:08:46 +0200
... but a good hiding from his parents might.
James
"Chris Applegate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8tdipp$drb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I don't think Claire can fix you, Jacques.
>
> CDA
>
>
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sorry, Claire, but this is urgent
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:17:54 +1300
Maybe I was a little volga and rude when dealing with Claire's "inquiry", I have been
to
the USA, and yes, like any other country it does have its problems, there is no country
that is perfect, however, if you come in to a news group *&#^ on about nothing related
to the topic it does get up peoples nose's. If I have offended anyone with my ranting
and raving, then, I am sorry.
Claire, get back to aguing the issue, and that is Linux vs. Microsoft, or Linux vs.
something else, just because you cannot argue a topic, donot simply grab any old fact,
and in this case, Australia and the Olympics, twist it then use it as a justification
for the Windows vs. Linux cause. Get a life Claire!
matt
chrisv wrote:
> Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I am a New Zealander and I loved the closing and opening of the Olympic Games in
> >Sydney. Just because it did not fit into the Americanized format that dominates
> >popular culture does not mean that it was not good. I was also thrilled to see the
> >wide range of cultures and sections of society represented at the opening and
> >closing of the games (especially the Maori group representing New Zealand). Unless
> >you Claire get out of the US, country of obesity, "free trade" on their own terms
> >(i.e. fuck everyone else, we (the USA) will keep tariffs, quotas and subsidies high
> >and screw other countries), and foreign policy that contradicts internal social
> >policy, and actually see the rest of the world (which is a darn site better than
> >the USA) you will continue to rot in you little suburban rotting neighbourhood in
> >the middle of no-where.
>
> You idiot. You pathetic little worm. You are obviously just mad that
> your piss-ant little country could sink into the ocean tomorrow and no
> one would notice.
>
> Next time take your ignorant, petty little nationalistic rants to the
> proper newsgroup.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Dork With A Problem, Claire, Fix Him, Will You?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:23:29 +1300
you're a cheeky bugger! :) I know, Claire probably deserves it, lets wait and see
if this poor guys predicament can be resolved.
matt
Jacques Guy wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my Windows 95 computer to Win98 SE, but only have the full
> > install disk. Does anyone know a way of doing this without having to spend
> > a whole weekend backing up al my files and formatting the hard drive?
>
> > Cheers
> > Dom
>
> Or perhaps he should install Windows 2000 instead? Piece of cake, isn't
> it darling? It rocks all right doesn't it?
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:31:31 +1300
not to rain on you party, I read the article and at no time did it ever mention
Linux, it did mention AIX and Windows 2000, but never Linux. Please get your
facts correct.
matt
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2645534,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
>
> Finally Oracle releases benchmarks proving Linux outperforms
> anything Microsoft has.
>
> Microsoft's response is to pull license agreement
> stipulating "NO BENCHMARKS MAY BE PUBLISHED
> WITHOUT THEIR PRIOR APPROVAL".
>
> Now that sounds like an open and honest contest.
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:30:05 -0400
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/27/00
at 02:31 PM, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>That is because you're an asshole who refuses to understand or consider any
>>argument you don't want to hear. Your parents really should not breed any
>>more like you.
>Why, there's a lot of factual information.
>Sore loser. You lose the arguement, so you lash out with insults.
Ah, another asshole arrives. Are you a friend of Jason or just another idiot
troll?
There is no factual that the cache is the factor that so overwhelmingly
controls performance and *user productivity* that nothing else matters. This
is jasons claim. And it is what he ignores, in order to focus on a tiny point
so he can be the big guy in more then his dreams.
His claim, is like saying tire tread design is the factor that decides how
fast the operator can actually drive a car in the real world -- and all other
factors, even when you put them all together, cannot out weigh the effect of
tread design.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 07:43:41 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>In article <39f944fd$3$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In <8tb2n8$prf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/27/00
>> at 05:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>>
>>>Typical invective from somebody that lacks an argument. Good day Ed! :-)
>>
>>That is because you're an asshole who refuses to understand or consider any
>>argument you don't want to hear. Your parents really should not breed any
>>more like you.
>Nice pontification. Tell me, why are you such a bitter old man?
Constant exposure to tired little assholes like you being let lose on the
world!
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