Linux-Advocacy Digest #889, Volume #34 Fri, 1 Jun 01 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered ("Electric Ninja")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Mozilla project, is Linux "important" (Chris Sherlock)
Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why should an OS cost money? (Nick Condon)
Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe ("You've got MALE.. sex
organs!")
Re: Compilers Anyone? Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! (Andrew Shuttlewood)
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! (Andrew Shuttlewood)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Karel Jansens)
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:03:37 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> drsquare wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 May 2001 20:19:46 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> >>drsquare wrote:
> >
> >>> >killfiling is conceding defeat.
> >>>
> >>> Defeat in what?
> >>
> >>in the debate.
> >
> > Debating how much of an idiot you are?
> >
> There is no debate of that. It´s a fact that he is an idiot.
> So, simply killfiling him just saves a lot of bandwidth and the BS that
> Aaron is spewing. He should stop thinking with his ass and grow at
> least half a brain.
>
> Peter
>
In most cases puberty leads to autonomous behaviour after a period of
strict protest.
Not so with Aaron.
I think he's quite amusing. But every toy get's boring.
> --
> The last good thing written in C was Schubert's Symphony No. 9.
Check out "in C" by Terry Riley! (Hate it or love it...)
--
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Burkhard Wölfel
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:09:58 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If he wanted to invoke Godwin's MISINTERPRETED law, he would have
> > fucking called you Adolph Hitler.
> >
> > Anything less does NOT invoke Godwin's law, you idiot.
> >
> > Now, say goodnight, Herman
>
> Sometimes you can be so Hitleresque with your responses.
You underestimate Hitler's rhetoric skills.
Aaron is like a punk (no, not in the meaning of asshole, I mean, he
seems to be one, but I mean the 80s lifestyle, crappy colored hair,
inverted aesthetics, puberty and stuff).
In Europe punks beg for change to buy cheap beer.
Aaron begs for other things. Is he that important?
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Burkhard Wölfel
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:18:33 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> So do gays.
>
> Or are you unaware of the numerous people who get Hepatitis from
> gay restaurant employees
>
Please exemplify.
BTW, I guess this guy is a complete fake:
We all know that "butt" means "cule" in french, "culo" in italian
(spanish?)
I think he made up his pseudonym from "cule-kiss", which would be a kiss
into the butt.
Wake up people! It's all a joke!
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Burkhard Wölfel
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:26:17 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> [snip]letting another
> man stick his penis in your anus.
>
> Hope that helps.
Definately.
--
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Burkhard Wölfel
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
Incorrect snipping was used to compose this
message, and it was fun.
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:21:20 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> No..the stupid asshole is the one getting reamed by some fag's penis.
Howdya know?
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From: "Electric Ninja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:33:02 GMT
> Isn't it interesting that Microsoft was doing a "linux is communist"
> propaganda campaign a while back...when, in fact, they are the ones
> whos behavior is right out of Stalin's playbooks....
The red star-shaped Mozilla logo is nearly identical to what used to be
painted on former Soviet warplanes.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:48:12 -0400
Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > No..the stupid asshole is the one getting reamed by some fag's penis.
>
> Howdya know?
epidemiological statistics.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:48:35 -0400
Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > [snip]letting another
> > man stick his penis in your anus.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
>
> Definately.
>
Fag.
> --
> ---------------------------------------------
> Burkhard Wölfel
> v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
> pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
> Incorrect snipping was used to compose this
> message, and it was fun.
> ---------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:03:52 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mozilla project, is Linux "important"
Maybe this isn't from one of the Netscape developers, but have a look at
the bottom of the page in this bug report for Mozilla 0.9.x and image
scaling issues:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74313
I quote:
======= Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2001=05=30 19:31
=======
Actually Asa the 0.9.0 release was much worse than this.
libpr0n on Unix was basically completely unusable when it went in.
Progress from
there is slow, and Pav has other priorities.
Is Linux an important platform for Mozilla? The 0.9.0 release says "No"
and a
lot of people heard it.
If this is the case, (and I sorely hope that it isn't and I'm missing
the point, taking this out of context) then wtf??? Lets raise a big
stink if it **is** the case.
Chris
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:51:21 -0400
John Fereira wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >jet wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > chrisv wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >> >Hope that helps.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It didn't. Your anal, literal interpretation of what I wrote just
> >> > > >> made you look like an idiot bent on ignoring my point.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Are you saying that I should interpret your words in some way
> >> > > >other than what you wrote?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Do what you say. Say what you mean. One thing leads to another.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sorry, but there's many non-literal forms of effective communication.
> >> > > Morons who simply pretend not to understand are not helpful.
> >> >
> >> > Translation: I, chrisv, am unable to communicate in a clear, effective
> >> manner.
> >>
> >> So, when you said you were going to sue Steve Chaney, what did you mean?
> >>
> >
> >....IF he continued to spread rumors.
> >
> >Since he destroyed his credibility, he could no longer spread rumors
> >in an effective manner.
>
> That arguement might have some merit if he any any credibility before he
> started spreading rumors.
It was fun watching him freak out.
>
> John Fereira
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Subject: Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:42:20 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Although this piece was written in jest, there is an element of
> truth here...
>
> the classic Marxist "Create a problem then offer a solution which
> advances our power-hungry goals" methodology.
You mean, the marxists create problems and offer a solution afterwards?
If so, exemplify, please.
>
> Isn't it interesting that Microsoft was doing a "linux is communist"
> propaganda campaign a while back...when, in fact, they are the ones
> whos behavior is right out of Stalin's playbooks....
--
=============================================
Burkhard Wölfel
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net
=============================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Subject: Re: Why should an OS cost money?
Date: 1 Jun 2001 12:18:10 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
>Nick Condon
>> Stuart Fox wrote:
>> >An OS should cost money, because it is derived from effort, which
>> >most humans expect to be paid for.
[snippage]
>> Very little of the world's software is developed for resale.
[more snippage]
>I wasn't talking about software in general - I was talking about an OS,
>and why that should cost money. I agree, most software is developed for
>internal use, but an OS is one that is intended to be used everywhere.
You missed my point. Most of the world's software isn't developed for
resale, but all of it costs time and money to develop. Those costs have to
be covered somehow. What I'm saying is resale isn't the only way to do it,
it's not even the most common way to do it
>> >It's simple economics as to why an OS costs money.
>>
>> Your description is not "simple economics", but "simplistic".
>>
>And yet it still describes the Linux model adequately.
You haven't described it at all. Let's review what you wrote:
> An OS should cost money, because it is derived from effort, which
> most humans expect to be paid for.
Here you are telling how you think the world should be. It's obviously
rubbish because there clearly *are* people who invest effort into it with
no expectation of selling their work. While there are developers who do get
paid for working on Linux, (Linus, Alan Cox, a whole IBM army) if there's
even one that doesn't your whole argument collapses.
I just took a look freshmeat.net and I counted 76 free software releases
yesterday, and there is nothing unusual in that as a daily figure. Given,
lots of it is crap but that's only because 90% of anything is crap, and 7-8
non-crap releases a day is still astonshing by any standard. I am
constantly amazing at the energy and creativity of the free software crowd.
> Linux of course is a special example, as it is allegedly
> developed by people on their "free" time.
It's nothing of the sort (special case, that is). There are literally
thousands of successful, wide-deployed free software projects of which
Linux, Apache, FreeBSD, BIND, Sendmail, Perl, Python, Tcl/Tk, KDE, Gnome,
Samba and GNU are only the most famous.
There are other motivations for writing software besides its resale value.
IBM is spending $1 billion on Linux this year because it really wants the
program to become a computing standard. It is doing this because it sees
itself mainly as a provider of e-business solutions, and because a standard
operating system would make it much easier to integrate them, according
Irving Wladawsky-Berger, IBM’s man in charge of Linux operations.
>I still don't see any sign of VA or Redhat making money - because
> they can't recover the costs of their effort.
IBM and VA and RedHat are not Linux, and neither are Linus or Alan Cox.
They could all vanish off the face of the Earth tomorrow and Linux would
barely miss a step. The project is far bigger than any of them. As Linus
said "I'm basically a lazy person that likes to get credit for other
people's work".
--
Nick
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From: "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:26:54 -0600
For example, simple common sense, politics, the military, etc..
(tiny sublist of Aaron's areas of intellectual incompetence)
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> chrisv wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >chrisv wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >When you're as smart as I am, there is no need.
> > >>
> > >> If you were so smart, you wouldn't be so afraid to admit that
> > >> sometimes you don't know.
> > >
> > >I have, many many times.
> > >
> > >However, not in a conversation with someone so ignorant as yourself.
> >
> > Yes you have. Many times.
> >
> > At least if I'm ignorant about something, I don't shoot my mouth off
> > about it, unlike you, who likes to play "wannabe expert" on every
> > subject imaginable....
>
> Wrong. I claim no expertise in numerous fields.
>
> For example hindi, farsi, chinese, and a multitude of other foreign languages.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Shuttlewood)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Compilers Anyone? Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: 1 Jun 2001 12:10:13 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tue, 29 May 2001 19:53:12 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>cjt & trefoil wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>I'm not so sure. The VLIW parallelism is at the instruction level, isn't
>it?
>>Won't there be a lot of stalls?
>
>That's the big question. There's been a lot of work done with compilers. Yet
>there is hardly any conceptual material on EPIC/MAJC generation compilers
>like there is on chips.
There's a group at some random American university (the IMPACT group)
which has been working on VLIW compilers and so on.
http://www.crhc.uiuc.edu/Impact/papers/ftopic.html
They have a couple of papers - jusrt looking through the names, they
look very interesting
>The whole software execution engine layer (Java VM+ and .NET CLR) also adds
>to the mix. Also components useful for third party composition require a
>knowledge of all dependencies. Captured in the metadata, info on these
>dependencies can be used by the CLR to dynamically predicate the branches
>for smooth parallel processing.
Sounds expensive speed-wise.
Plus the information may not always be true. As in Java, you can't
generally inline functions unless they're private or final - if
people code c# like this, it might be quite hard to do the necessary
agressive amounts of inlining that you would need without generating
the same code many many times.
>The term VLIW appears to be used in various ways. Sometimes MAJC is
>described as VLIW-like. Intel's EPIC is actually a better word, and I call
>it the EPIC generation. Intel is said to have chosen EPIC because of the
>failure of an earlier generation of VLIW chips. Or you could say the MAJC
>generation if you are a Java freak.
VLIW simply means Very Long Instruction Word, so yes, it can mean
many different things. the EPIC designation is perhaps more accurate
I fear that you overestimate how well .NET will run on this sort
of chip. I think that the architectural need to agressively inline
functions in order to benefit from the predication may be hurt by
the nature of the sort of code that people are generating (with
lots of virtual functions)
I don't deny that .NET and Java and similar runtimes have the possibility
of gaining an advantage compared to standard compiled approaches, but
I think that the complexity of having to do this, and the high level
nature of the languages that most people will use will hurt the
performance attempts (or alternatively just waste lots of memory by
having multiple inlined copies of the same function with subtle changes)
Still, it should be interesting - I think that the interesting part has
only just begun. It'll begin to get really interesting when this hardware
is on your average persons desk and companies are trying to optimise
games to run on it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Shuttlewood)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: 1 Jun 2001 12:19:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tue, 29 May 2001 11:50:49 -0500, cjt & trefoil wrote:
>I'm not so sure. The VLIW parallelism is at the instruction level, isn't it?
>Won't there be a lot of stalls?
The Itanium has a nice branch predictor and the use of predicated
instructions.
Basically - if you have
......
if(test & OBJECT_STORE) {
test2 = value;
test2.type = 4;
.... etc ....
}
.......
Then you can have the code that does
AND test, OBJECT_STORE
setting a variable in the chip, and then you can stick the next bunch
of instructions in saying "only do this if the AND worked".
It requires I think some quite offensive coding on the part of the
compiler, and I'ld imagine binary sizes will explode with all the inlined
code, but it should avoid at least some branching.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:03:29 +0000
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:45:49 GMT, Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > > I do wonder why they did not use
>> > > KDE for what it can do, though.
>> >
>> > Maybe because it was written before KDE became popular.
>>
>> Why does this matter? They can ship the needed
>> libs with the product, can they not?
>
>Only if they exist. At the time SO was in development, KDE was in it's
>infancy. I didn't say that very well.
>
I do not think KDE even existed when development started on StarOffice. I
got the 3.1 version (for OS/2) in 1995. Even then StarOffice was very
cross-platform.
(From memory from an OS/2 Magazine: StarDivision developed StarOffice using
an in-house, cross-platform infrastructure, called 'stellar' or maybe
'Solaris'. This created some sort of pre-source code, which made porting to
very different platforms rather easy, but made the finished product slower
and bigger than 'native' programs)
Disclaimer: I am not a programmer, so do not flame me for using the wrong
words, or even remembering completely wrong.
>
>OpenOffice is supposedly going to be the Gnome Office suite (as opposed
>to KOffice for KDE).
>
Last I heard, KOffice was going to implement sizeable chunks from the
OpenOffice sources. Again, 'wrong' is sort of my middle name.
>There's a bigger picture here. Lots of people care if they can read
>and modify archived documents 10 or 20 years from now. Even MS can't
>guarantee this. Can you read a Word for DOS document in WordXP? How
>about a Multiplan spreadsheet or an AutoCAD v1.0 drawing in the
>successor versions of those products? I guess you're really out of
>luck if you have old Wordstar2000 documents. Proprietary vendors can
>and do abandon products. Platform changes do happen. This is a real
>worry for some companies with long-lived products, aerospace for
>example.
>
>You _can_ read LaTeX documents that are fifteen years old, and Xfig
>drawings, and so on. It seems that open formats have better
>longevity. They can even survive the companies that made them.
>
I know of one proprietary wordprocessor that scores remarkably well in this
department. I have archived WordPerfect 5.1 files that are going on ten
years old. WordPerfect 8 for linux not only can read these files perfectly,
but can edit them _and_ save them back in the original format.
I found that WP gives me one of the best cross-platform wordprocessor
fileformats possible. It is not as good as LaTeX, obviously, but it has a
much lower acceptance level to other users (i.e.: I can bully people into
sending me WP-formats easier than LaTeX formats <G>).
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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