Linux-Advocacy Digest #726, Volume #28 Tue, 29 Aug 00 05:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike
Marion)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Truckasaurus)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Phil B)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers ("David Brown")
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451786 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:24:09 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> IIRC it's about 37K. I remember anyway that it's a respectable salary.
> For someone to "earn their keep" and make prisons profitable would be
> a miracle, especially given the skills of the prison population.
I love the sheriff in Arizona (anyone know if he's still there?) that setup
prisons as bivouac tents, food is bologna sandwiches, and the underwear is
pink (so they don't steal it when released, which they did). They do their
work, and don't get TVs, weight sets, etc.
I saw him on a talk show a few years ago where people said he was being cruel
and that noone would stand for it.. to which he asked, "Then how come I've
been reelected several times since starting this program?"
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://miguelito.org
Black holes are where God divided by zero.
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:34:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> I would submit that the original comment above (with your very
> concise rebuttal being a nice touch :-) ) is far too vague to
> effectively answer. What does it mean that "hardware sucks"?
> Some hardware is *supposed* to suck (vacuum cleaners :-) ). [*]
My power supply has got a fan - and it blows.
--
"Hello, everybody!"
- Doctor Nick
Martin A. Boegelund.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil B)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:49:53 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have
> > > > > > > > > committed to causing societal collapse from within. If
> > > > > > > > > the US is weakened, the rest of the world is easily
> > > > > > > > > blackmailed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist"
> > > > > > > > countries, on average, have lower poverty rates and better
> > > > > > > > educational systems than we do. How do you account for
> > > > > > > > this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the
> > > > > > > leftists in the other countries. The overall goal is to
> > > > > > > weaken the US relative to the other countries, so that the US
> > > > > > > will become even weaker than them. Simply put...a large
> > > > > > > percentage of the education establishment should be put on
> > > > > > > trial for treason.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out
> > > > > > > yourself?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between
> > > > > > school teachers in the US, and, say, the french education
> > > > > > minister, to make the french students superior to the US ones?
> > > > >
> > > > > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
> > > >
> > > > What's the NEA?
> > >
> > > National Education Association, the leftist union that controls the
> > > teaching establishment.
> > >
> > > Read any of their publications, and it is quite obvious that they are
> > > a bunch of Marxists.
> >
> > I'm sure you can quote some of this Marxist literature for us here.
>
> I don't keep NEA rags in my house.
>
>
Well, if I may slip briefly into the role of advocatus diaboli for a
moment, the NEA is an organization that:
1) uses its influence to oppose the privatization of public education in
the United States
http://www.nea.org/aboutnea/faq.html
2) subjects all of its members to a kind of secret code and collective
discipline
http://www.nea.org/aboutnea/code.html
3) places emphasis on education not just in the USA, but internationally
http://www.nea.org/aboutnea/interntl.html
and:
4) advocates the formation of, and supports the existence of, teachers'
unions anywhere and everywhere within the US public school system
http://www.nea.org/newunion/
-- Now, although I have no doubt whatsoever that Mr. Kulkis will
triumphantly proclaim his standard 'QED' at this point, whether any of
this actually weakens the US and the public education system here; whether
it qualifies as treason or as a vast Marxist-leftist conspiracy, and etc.,
in reality, is best left as an exercise for the reader... :-|
If nothing else, readers will at least have these pointers to the NEA Web
site in order to judge for themselves, instead of being constrained to
watch nothing but a few people's rhetorical tap-dancing skills on Usenet.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
<snip>
Cheers,
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:51:27 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And then pay to have them sit in jail. Which is much more
> > > > > expensive. Smart.
> > > >
> > > > Why should we pay for their incarceration. Put them to work doing
> > > > something to earn their keep.
> > >
> > > Even if I go along with the idea that people who misbehave in school
> > > should be expelled and forced into slave labor, it still doesn't solve
> >
> > You idiot. You only incercerate them if they commit crimes.
>
> What do you expect them to do? They're not going to get over their
> problems without help, and by kicking them out of school you essentially
> eliminate any real chance they have of actually becoming functioning
> adults. They'll commit crimes.
Interesting...
So, you are advocating that we jail the stupid because we know
ahead of time that they will commit crimes....
>
> > > the problem. Do you have any idea what it costs to keep someone in
> > > prison? You can go to college for less.
> >
> >
> > They either work to support themselves, or...we let them starve
> > to death. It's their call.
>
> You really want to live in a society where people are allowed to starve
> to death?
What's so bad about worthless people starving to death....
>
> > > > > > > > The public schools can expel those who disrupt the school,
> > > > > > > > but they refuse to do so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > > > > > > schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it were that simple, there wouldn't be kids causing trouble in
> > > > > school right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hoisted by their own petards.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually, it's the tax-paying public who is paying for an
> > > > > > > > K-12 "education" but the money is instead being used for
> > > > > > > > left-wing indoctrination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > > > >
> > > > > Global warming is not "Eco-leftism" any more than quantum mechanics
> > > > > is.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Pro-homosexuality propaganda
> > > > >
> > > > > Examples?
> > > >
> > > > "Daddy has a roommate" "Heather has two mommies"
> > >
> > > They also teach kids about tribal life in Africa. Do you think this is
> > > intended to encourage kids to go join African tribes? If kids aren't
> > > exposed to the different ways in which people live they often turn into
> > > bigots. Which is what you seem to want.
>
> No response.
There are certain things which are appropriate to be taught in K-12
classes, and there are other subjects which are NOT appropriate
for K-12 students.
In the case of the two books listed above, they were both meant
for K/1/2 - graders.
Please tell me exactly WHAT purpose is served by teaching 6-year olds
about human sexuality (heterosexual or homosexual), other than
propagandizing them to engage in such before they are ready.
>
> > > > > > Socialism
> > > > >
> > > > > Examples? Most school history texts I've seen have an
> > > > > American/capitalist bias, actually.
> > > >
> > > > Your information is at least 10 years out of date.
> > >
> > > Examples?
>
> Examples?
I'm not going to do your homework for you.....typical lazy liberal slob.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:53:00 -0400
Mike Marion wrote:
>
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> > IIRC it's about 37K. I remember anyway that it's a respectable salary.
> > For someone to "earn their keep" and make prisons profitable would be
> > a miracle, especially given the skills of the prison population.
>
> I love the sheriff in Arizona (anyone know if he's still there?) that setup
> prisons as bivouac tents, food is bologna sandwiches, and the underwear is
> pink (so they don't steal it when released, which they did). They do their
> work, and don't get TVs, weight sets, etc.
>
> I saw him on a talk show a few years ago where people said he was being cruel
> and that noone would stand for it.. to which he asked, "Then how come I've
> been reelected several times since starting this program?"
>
Facts are SOoooooooo inconvenient for
Leftists/Liberals/Democrats/EcoNuts/etc.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:56:43 +0200
Ketil Z Malde wrote in message ...
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I push my NT4 machine hard, but have had no more than two or
>> three BSODs this year.
>
>Right, if BSODs are frequent, somebody has done something wrong.
>
>> Explorer crashes once a week or so, but for the most part the
>> machine is remarkably stable.
>
>Sounds familiar. I've also had problems with the net dropping out on
>me (fixed by a reboot), but mainly I'm annoyed by the sloppy behavior
>of the UI -- e.g. everything freezes if the net falls out, and it
>takes forever to bring up the right-click menu to create new folders,
>and so on.
>
>> 1) Use Service Pack 3. SP4 introduced more bugs than the original NT4.0.
>> By SP6a, most of these are fixed but at the cost of compatibility with
older
>> programs.
>
>Unfortunately, SP(some number >4) is needed to fix the annoying
>behavior of Dev.Studio, where the class view scrolls immeasurably
>slowly if you have more than a trivial number of classes. But yes,
>SP4 is rumoured to kill VMWare performance, too.
>
Dev. Studio probably ranks along with IE5 and MS Office as another huge
clump of software that needlessly overwrites critical system files.
Fortunately, when I do PC programming I can use Delphi (first choice) or C++
Builder (if I need to use C/C++). I gather that Dev. Studio has better
tools for people who do PC programming full-time, and it is better for
low-level stuff like device drivers, but other than that I find Borland's
tools much faster and easier to work with.
>> 2) Do not go higher than IE4.0. If you want to use your machine as a
>> professional tool, don't install toys like IE5.
>
>My first experience with IE5 was when it came preinstalled on my new
>box. It ranks almost up there with the dancing paperclip when it
>comes to annoyingly useless applications. Needless to say, I
>installed Opera first thing.
The trouble with IE5 is that you can't uninstall it - any attempt leaves
bits behind, and it is precisely these bits that mess up the stability of
the system.
>
>-kzm
>--
>If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451786
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:32:43 GMT
Here's today's Malloy digest. Notice how he's ignored the evidence
for the fact that he likes to "hear" himself, and keeps talking about
how I've allegedly ignored his evidence, yet he hasn't presented any
(indeed, he's so intent on using "parrot" mode that he's made several
ridiculous claims). He's also ignored the evidence for his reading
comprehension problem (and uses "parrot" mode to talk about some
nonexistent evidence for my alleged reading comprehension problem).
Nor did he explain why he's ignored Slava's question.
188> Here's today's Tholen digest. Notice how he's ignored the evidence
188> for the fact that he likes to "hear" himself,
What alleged evidence, Malloy?
188> and keeps talking about how I've allegedly ignored his evidence,
188> yet he hasn't presented any
See below, Malloy. Are you blind?
188> (indeed, he's so intent on using "parrot" mode
Liar.
188> that he's made several ridiculous claims).
How ironic.
188> He's also ignored the evidence for his reading comprehension
188> problem
What alleged evidence, Malloy?
188> (and uses "parrot" mode to talk about some nonexistent evidence
188> for my alleged reading comprehension problem).
See below, Malloy. Are you blind?
188> Nor did he explain why he's adopted "Slava's" question;
What makes you think I've "adopted" it, Malloy?
188> indeed, he continues to assume my knowledge about a "Slava".
See below, Malloy. Are you blind? I even left the message I.D.
and date intact for your reference.
188> Lastly, he clearly doesn't understand the concept of a response
188> to one of his digestifications, posting many replies to various
188> postings and thereby creating a "Tholen digest", yet still thinks
188> one such digest should cover them all.
Liar.
188> What a dolt!
How ironic.
188> To the digest improper!
188>
188> [Nope, nothing new from Tholen after more than 8 years of
188> semi-reading him!]
Well, seeing you admit to reading only half the material would
explain your comprehension problems.
188> Thanks for reading.
==========
Malloy likes to hear himself. The evidence:
"I take it Tholen has attempted to digest me, but since no message
to that effect appears on my newserver today, I present an oldie:"
--Joe Malloy
Maybe it's because he has trouble seeing. The evidence:
"Where does he say anything about clergy, Tholen?"
--Joe Malloy
"It follows from your pontificating actions and the discussion
of the clergy..."
--Eric Bennett
And the question of Slava's that he continues to ignore:
Message-ID: <N8On5.61$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:11:34 +1000
"Why do you [Malloy] post exactly the same thing in each one of
your 'digests', and then hypocritically accuse Tholen of not
saying 'anything of value'?"
--Slava Pestov
"[who is this "Slava," Tholen, one of your sock puppets?]"
--Joe Malloy
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:04:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > ZnU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And then pay to have them sit in jail. Which is much more
> > > > > > expensive. Smart.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why should we pay for their incarceration. Put them to work
> > > > > doing
> > > > > something to earn their keep.
> > > >
> > > > Even if I go along with the idea that people who misbehave in
> > > > school
> > > > should be expelled and forced into slave labor, it still doesn't
> > > > solve
> > >
> > > You idiot. You only incercerate them if they commit crimes.
> >
> > What do you expect them to do? They're not going to get over their
> > problems without help, and by kicking them out of school you
> > essentially
> > eliminate any real chance they have of actually becoming functioning
> > adults. They'll commit crimes.
>
> Interesting...
>
> So, you are advocating that we jail the stupid because we know
> ahead of time that they will commit crimes....
No, I'm not. I'm just saying if you kick them out of school they're most
likely going to get themselves thrown in jail sooner or later. Probably
sooner.
> > > > the problem. Do you have any idea what it costs to keep someone in
> > > > prison? You can go to college for less.
> > >
> > >
> > > They either work to support themselves, or...we let them starve
> > > to death. It's their call.
> >
> > You really want to live in a society where people are allowed to starve
> > to death?
>
> What's so bad about worthless people starving to death....
Who decides who's "worthless?"
> > > > They also teach kids about tribal life in Africa. Do you think this
> > > > is
> > > > intended to encourage kids to go join African tribes? If kids
> > > > aren't
> > > > exposed to the different ways in which people live they often turn
> > > > into
> > > > bigots. Which is what you seem to want.
> >
> > No response.
>
> There are certain things which are appropriate to be taught in K-12
> classes, and there are other subjects which are NOT appropriate
> for K-12 students.
>
> In the case of the two books listed above, they were both meant
> for K/1/2 - graders.
>
> Please tell me exactly WHAT purpose is served by teaching 6-year olds
> about human sexuality (heterosexual or homosexual), other than
> propagandizing them to engage in such before they are ready.
I've never understood this idea of hiding certain things from kids. In
my experience, the kids who are kept isolated from such aspects of the
real world for the longest are the ones who have the hardest time
dealing with reality when they're finally exposed to some of it.
> > > > > > > Socialism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Examples? Most school history texts I've seen have an
> > > > > > American/capitalist bias, actually.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your information is at least 10 years out of date.
> > > >
> > > > Examples?
> >
> > Examples?
>
>
> I'm not going to do your homework for you.....typical lazy liberal slob.
You're the one making the absurd claims. You back them up.
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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