Linux-Advocacy Digest #754, Volume #28 Wed, 30 Aug 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (C Lund)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (C Lund)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Roberto
Alsina)
American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. (Roberto Alsina)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: HELP REQUEST - MPC860T Linux Development ("Rich C")
Re: Linux/unix programs 505 ("Rich C")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (T. Max
Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:18:44 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric
Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) wrote:
> > > So...if you can't afford to have a kid...
> > > sit down, shut up and get an abortion.
> > Climb down from your ivory tower.
> Note, here is another demonstration that Aaron is not a Republican. How
> many Republicans have you seen encouraging abortion?
You have a point there. But was he really encouraging it or was he just
being flip?
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:20:14 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
> Who are these supposedly underpaid workers?
Hmm... the working poor? I don't know which specific jobs they have. My
guess it's the ones that pay minimal wage. Or less.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:31:32 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
> > Who are these supposedly underpaid workers?
>
> Hmm... the working poor? I don't know which specific jobs they have. My
> guess it's the ones that pay minimal wage. Or less.
Please name ONE individual who is:
A) Working *AT LEAST* 40 hours/week
B) Is living within his means. (*)
and
C) is "trapped" in poverty
(*) Having children you can't afford is NOT "living within your means"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:46:17 -0300
"Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
>
> C Lund wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
> > > Who are these supposedly underpaid workers?
> >
> > Hmm... the working poor? I don't know which specific jobs they have. My
> > guess it's the ones that pay minimal wage. Or less.
>
> Please name ONE individual who is:
>
> A) Working *AT LEAST* 40 hours/week
> B) Is living within his means. (*)
> and
> C) is "trapped" in poverty
>
> (*) Having children you can't afford is NOT "living within your means"
What should someone do if he could, at the time, afford a child
and later can't? Suggestions? Infanticide doesn't count as one.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:33:14 -0400
http://www.freep.com/news/metro/dicker30_20000830.htm
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:48:33 -0300
"Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
>
> http://www.freep.com/news/metro/dicker30_20000830.htm
Ok, we all know your lame excuse for your sig. What's your
lame excuse for starting a totally offtopic thread in
c.o.l.a? If you gonna be offtopic, at least do it in
the thread where this subject already surfaced, so you
don't mess people's score files.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:35:24 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric
> Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) wrote:
> > > > So...if you can't afford to have a kid...
> > > > sit down, shut up and get an abortion.
> > > Climb down from your ivory tower.
> > Note, here is another demonstration that Aaron is not a Republican. How
> > many Republicans have you seen encouraging abortion?
>
> You have a point there. But was he really encouraging it or was he just
> being flip?
What do you think.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.corel,alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: HELP REQUEST - MPC860T Linux Development
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:45:26 -0400
Start here:
http://www.rtlinux.org/rtlinux.new/index.html
This is the RT-Linux website. RT-Linux is an extension to Linux which
permits hard real time threads to run on x86, ppc, and alpha (I'm not sure
if your specific target processor is covered; it may be close to the ppc
version if you need to develop one.) It also supports SMP.
There are links to documentation on that site, as well as a FAQ:
http://www.rtlinux.org/rtlinux.new/documents/faq.html. You can also find a
list of current projects using RT-Linux, as well as drivers for common
boards.
There are actually two branches of hard Real Time Linux: the original
RT-Linux, developed at FSMLabs by Victor Yodaiken and others, and a spinoff
called RTAI developed by Paulo Mantegazza and others. This version only runs
on x86 though, so wouldn't be much use to you now. RT-Linux tends to be more
concerned with stability and small size, while RTAI tends to be more
concerned with features that are contained in other [commercial] RTOSes.
As far as using RT-Linux in an embedded system, start here:
http://www.embedded.com/97/fe39710.htm
There is not much as far as ethernet or TCP/IP being run from the real time
side, as they are assumed to be not real time. (Standard TCP/IP/ethernet is
NOT real time, but it CAN be if you manage the protocol and control HOW and
WHEN packets get sent out on the network.) If you want to collaborate, I
believe there are others who are interested in TCP/IP and/or ethernet from
the real time side. Join the mailing list and put out some feelers.
As far as my own project is concerned, we are using a proprietary networking
protocol, so I am not interested in real time ethernet communications at
this time.
I don't know what (if any) Windows development tools there are, other than
GCC, or how practical a Windows development platform is for Linux and
RT-Linux. I would recommend getting a Linux system in either x86 or
preferably ppc, and developing on that. You can debug the real time side
using extensions for GDB, and the RT_Linux system calls are pretty
independent of processor type, I believe, so migration from, say, an x86
development system to a ppc target should be trivial.
Good luck with your project.
--
Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
Jeff Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am working on a new development effort based on
> the Motorola MPC860T PowerQUICC. I want to use
> embedded Linux with hard real-time capabilities. I would
> also like it to be based on a distribution that will support
> the internal Ethernet physical layer on the chip. I will need
> cross development tools since my host runs
> Windows 95/98/NT and the target will be a
> Motorola FADS board.
>
> I've searched a lot of sites and read a lot of documentation
> over the last week. If anyone has a suggestion or is working
> on a similar development I would appreciate the feedback.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Linux Newbie
>
>
>
>
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/unix programs 505
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:49:39 -0400
Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:I0cr5.2238$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well...correct me if im wrong "Peter", but isnt Quake2 a licensed game?
Yes, it is. You can download the "Linux version" of Quake 2 for free, but it
is not the whole game, just the Linux-specific parts. You still need a
licensed CD-ROM to acquire the "whole" game and make a playable copy.
--
Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
>
> /IL
>
> > Games: battalion, blackpenguin, quake2
> > Internet: gnomeicu, licq, mail, Xdownloader, Xchat, apache, flash_linux,
> > netscape6
> > Baze: mysql,Informix
> > Multimedia: DJvuedit, gimp, imagick, Q-cad
> > Office: lyx, linux-ar-4, WordPerfect8, cooledit, StarOffice 5.1
> > Utils: wine, apsfilter, bzip, enlightenment, xscreensaver, AVP
> > WinLinux, XFree86 v.4 (download) and much more
> >
> >
> > and many other linux and windows programs ...
> >
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > iifdjn
> >
>
>
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:55:09 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said david raoul derbes in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <LZep5.291$v3.3837@uchinews>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(david raoul derbes) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes) writes:
>>> >
>>>
>>> >The very rich who pay no taxes are a rarity (although they should be
>>> >dealt with).
>>>
>>> I did not claim there were lots of these people; I suspect it is under
>>> five hundred individuals, and I'd bet the ranch it's under a thousand.
>>> But I'd also bet it's a ton of money that isn't taxed.
>>
>>But the number is insignificant, so your complaint is meaningless.
>
>Oh? What evidence have you that the amount of money is meaningless?
[...]
>>> Another poster (? Eric Bennett?) suggested a plausible scenario in which
>>> a family might own a farm worth a million or two, and have a simply
>>> disastrous year, in which the income was zero. That isn't so far fetched,
>>> but as someone who actually owns half of a family farm, I can tell you
>>> that even after three disastrously bad years, we are still paying
>>> income tax. It's a rare year when your income is zero. It might be
>>> not enough to cover a loan at the bank, but it ain't zero.
>>
>>ROTFLMAO.
>>
>>You need to learn the difference between "revenue" and "profit". If you
>>don't bring in enough money to cover your bank loans, you didn't make
>>any profit, so there's no income tax due.
>
>Oh, dumb me! And I thought I had to pay my bills with *after-tax*
>dollars! Jeez, why didn't *I* think of that! Say, that will reduce
>my mortgage by 32%! Terrific!
>
>Thanks, Joe! :-)
Yes, I'm sure other's enjoyed Joe's antics, as well. Its a common
mistake to confuse corporatism with business. The term "bank loan" is
rather ambiguous, though.
As a counterpoint to your suggested tax system, I'd say what is best
would be a very high exempted income (the first 40K, maybe), and a
rather sharply sloping progressive rate (say, 8% to 50%, with the median
being about 15% and the top bracket being well over $20 million.) But
then we get to where the real issue is, which isn't income tax, but
capital gains tax. I would't call the current level "frightfully low",
since I'm a small investor, but I wouldn't call it oppressive, either.
The thing is that it isn't really progressive. I'm not saying it should
be, but I'm curious whether other reasonable posters are considering the
capital gains tax at all.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:05:11 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Donavon Pfeiffer Jr in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> One way is the method Ted Kennedy uses: the blind trust. Another way to reduce
>your taxes is charitable contributions. If someone wants to argue that Bill
>Gates should have given 22 billion dollars to the Government rather than a
>charitable trust that actually gets results they should take the argument
>elswhere. [...]
Or not. I'm willing to discuss it right here, and think its as
appropriate as any of this other hornswaggle. If you believe in
government social spending at all, then you should recognize that any
"show" results presented of the beneficence of Gate's trust are somewhat
dubious. I'd prefer to see Gates use his dollars to fairly support
government services, yes. Well, maybe.
>You want real progress and change vote
>Libertarian.
To be honest, I would, if I could trust them. Too many "rugged
individualists" for me, actually. And rich white men who just don't
want to pay any taxes.
>One other thing, if you want to see what American government run
>health care looks like, visit a VA hospital.
Well, it sucks, but the point is that it sucks just about as much for
everyone. They might get more and quicker attention, but in the end a
general gets about as poor a level of health care as a private. As much
as it is feasible for *any* institution, public or private, to provide
fair service. Sure, there might be a "civil service mentality" that
decreases the value of the hospital, but at least they aren't a "bottom
line assembly line" meat-factory, which is what unregulated private
medical systems are turning into.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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