Linux-Advocacy Digest #898, Volume #28 Mon, 4 Sep 00 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (Jim Richardson)
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. (Jim Richardson)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Jim Richardson)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Bob Germer)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Bob Germer)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. (Grega Bremec)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Re: Computer and memory (Grega Bremec)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Bob Germer)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Computer and memory (Grega Bremec)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:58:24 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:05:41 +1000,
Christopher Smith, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:34:55 -0700,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>> >
>> >Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:8oprjt$dab$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >> On a desktop unix box, you'll most likely be using X, even if just to
>have
>> >a
>> >> dozen XTerms open. Kill X, and everything goes with it. The
>difference
>> >> between this and having The whole OS crash is largely semantic.
>> >
>>
>>
>> For a standalone workstation, maybe, not for a system that is either a
>> server, or is doing distributed processing.
>
>I was speaking in the context of a workstation, since for either platform
>that is only where video/GUI usage should even have a chance of affecting
>stability.
On my workstation, I typically have compiles or other work going on in the
background, if X dies (it has, a couple of times in the last 4 years.) They
are unaffected. Worst case scenario is I have to telnet in from another machine
and kill the offending X session. Under Windows, the worst case scenario is not
so benign.
>
>> >If all you want is a number of xterm running, all you need to do is don't
>> >run X and take advantage of your box's VC's. -- Less overhead, faster
>> >response, and perhaps better security.
>> >
>> >> I might add that NT has IME recovered a lot more gracefully from sudden
>> >> power outages (power is flaky around here) than Linux. I've never lost
>an
>> >> NTFS filesystem, I've lost several ext2 ones.
>> >
>> >Are you using UPS with you host monitoring and auto shutdown when the
>power
>> >is off too long? I the environment that you describe it is mandatory
>> >reguardless of the OS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Or you could switch to ReiserFS or another journaling fs and get the
>benefits
>> of linux stability and a real journaling FS.
>
>I switched to ReiserFS some time ago and am happy to report no lost
>filesystems since.
>
I have been impressed with ReiserFS on the server, /tmp /var /usr are all
on ReiserFS now. If stability continues, I'll probably convert everything but
/boot and /root too.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:00:28 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 03:40:38 GMT,
Ingemar Lundin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Wow!!
>
>Im Swedish but i dont think have accumulated a fraction of so much
>misspellings
>since i begun learning english in third grade, as in this post.
>
>/IL
>
>"Tim Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<Tim's confused, misspelled and poorly formatted ramblings snipped
for ocular sanity>
Ingemar, Tim's poor spelling is legendary in c.o.l.a
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:34:23 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:36:16 -0400,
T. Max Devlin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Said Jim Richardson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
>>for comparisons of private school costs, with public, see
>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-025.html [...]
> ^^^^
>
>I don't think so. Thanks anyway; I've had my bullshit quota for this
>month.
>
Since the figures they use were from the US DOE National center for
education statistics, are you claiming that the US Dept Of Education
is full of bullshit?
Or were you simply jerking your knee?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:42:12 GMT
On 09/04/2000 at 01:15 PM,
"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I never claimed that the Archdiocese pays (although they might in some
> areas). All I said is that Catholic schools receive some support from
> the church. And your $1.8 M figures sort of confirms my statement,
> doesn't it?
Not at all. In Pat's parish, 90% of the members have school age children.
So, the vast majority of the funding is coming from the parents who will
be paying tuition on top of donations.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:44:13 GMT
On 09/04/2000 at 01:54 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes) said:
> But a better thing would be to make the public schools at least as good
> as the private schools. I believe, perhaps naively, that this can be
> done; and even more naively, that it isn't simply a matter of money.
> Money will be needed, no doubt, but more essential is the education of
> the parents, and the political will to do what's best for the kids.
You self-appointed, assinine leftists have been selling this bullshit for
50 years I can remember and schools have gotten more and more money and
worse and worse results. It's time to take the schools out of the hands of
the politicians and unions and get them back in the hands of the parents.
--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:47:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >Tell it to the developers showcased here: http://download.cnet.com/
>who
>> >are
>> >> >thriving BECAUSE there's one main standard.
>> >>
>> >> Tell it to Blue Mountain. Tell it to Real.
>>
>> [...Simon's 'FUD Report' snipped; if we wanted to read MS press
>> releases, we'd go to their web page...]
>
>You're the one spreading the FUD. Blue Mountain refused to communicate MS on
>fixing the problem, when all it would have taken was adding a header.
Then why did it take a court order to get Microsoft to provide the
information that Blue Mountain needed to resolve the problem?
http://www3.bluemountain.com/home/courtorder122198.html
Perhaps because you read MS press releases that tell you that 'all it
would have taken was adding a header'?
All it would have taken was Microsoft not monopolizing:
"1. Microsoft Corporation shall make available to Blue Mountain that
minimum information necessary to enable Blue Mountain to design its
electronic mail (“e- mail) notification messages and e-mail greeting
cards so that they are received by the intended recipient in their
standard e-mail in-box and are not relegated to the “Junk” mail folder
when the junk mail filter contained in Outlook Express, available from
the downloadable version of Internet Explorer 5.0, beta version 5 is
enabled on the default setting or any less restrictive setting. For
purposes of the Order, the “default setting” is currently the middle of
the five settings available to the user of the junk mail filter. Any
confidential information shared by Microsoft with Blue Mountain about
the filter shall be disclosed pursuant to a standard non- disclosure
agreement entered into between Microsoft and Blue Mountain.
Why would Microsoft need to trash greeting cards, including their own,
then change the software to get theirs to work and leave the default
setting to filtering anybody else's out, without Microsoft's 'magic
code'? Why, to monopolize, of course. Truth is, MS got off easy; they
had to change *their* software, based on Blue Mountain's method, but
still couldn't get it to work the way they wanted. Because they wanted
it to work anti-competitively. So they pulled filtering in a
grandstanding act (and because without being able to use it
anti-competitively, it was a liability, because it didn't work to begin
with).
>The
>problem affected MS, Blue Mountain and other e-card vendors. Blue Mountain
>refused to cooperate, took it to court, and won. End of junk email filtering
>software.
>Please state a factual error in any of what I just wrote. With references.
Chronology of Lawsuit against Microsoft Corporation and WebTV
http://www4.bluemountain.com/home/ImportantNotice.html?020399
Nov 18, 1998 Blue Mountain Arts discovers evidence that Microsoft's new
Internet Explorer diverts bluemountain.com e-mail greetings to junk mail
trash.
Nov 19, 1998 Blue Mountain Arts calls Microsoft to complain. Microsoft
informs Blue Mountain that the problem is caused by a "bug" in Outlook
Express e-mail filter software. Microsoft states that it will be fixed
very quickly, probably before a letter could be sent to Microsoft.
Nov 20, 1998 Microsoft informs Blue Mountain that it will not fix the
problem until an unknown future date.
Nov 27, 1998 Blue Mountain Arts discovers evidence that Microsoft's
Subsidiary, WebTV, has been blocking Blue Mountain's e-mail greetings
from being received by WebTV consumers.
Dec 8, 1998 Blue Mountain Arts files Complaint Against Microsoft and
WebTV in Santa Clara County, California.
[...]
Here's some more juicy bits, from
http://www4.bluemountain.com/home/respto31299.html, the brief filed in
support of three newspapers trying to gain access to the court record to
investigate just the press release you seem to have gotten your own
information from, from Microsoft.
"The record in this case, most of which has been sealed to date,
contains a great deal of information about Microsoft's static rules
filters that would be of interest to consumers. Of particular importance
are the many statements by Microsoft employees and experts about how
Microsoft's filters junk legitimate mail and generally fail to serve the
purposes for which they were purportedly designed. The record also shows
how Microsoft adjusted its filters to allow messages from its own
Internet content and service providers to pass. If this information is
made public, consumers will be less likely to activate these filters,
thereby lessening the harm to themselves and to Blue Mountain. "
"(See exhibit A attached hereto.) Microsoft's press release goes on to
purport to summarize the facts shown in "documents filed with the
Court." Microsoft's summary is far from accurate. For example, Microsoft
claims that court filings have shown that Microsoft's own greeting cards
"are subjected to the same treatment as Blue Mountain's e-mail
notifications," and that "Microsoft went out of its way to attempt to
assist Blue Mountain," but that Blue Mountain ignored this assistance. "
I particularly like your 'End of junk email filtering software.' LOL:
"The most damaging intentional misrepresentation in Microsoft's press
release is that Blue Mountain forced Microsoft to remove the junk mail
filter from Outlook Express. That is not what the Court ordered -- it is
a position taken by Microsoft solely for public relations. With its
reply papers filed in support of the motion for preliminary injunction,
Blue Mountain provided uncontroverted expert testimony explaining how,
with a few hours of programming, the Outlook Express filter could have
been altered to allow Blue Mountain's messages to pass. That was in fact
the fix successfully implemented by defendant WebTV. Blue Mountain's
expert also explained, in his declaration in opposition to Microsoft's
motion to modify the preliminary injunction, how that fix would not have
allowed "spoofers" to send spam under Blue Mountain's domain name. In
short, Microsoft removed the Outlook Express filter its own reasons, and
then used that decision to generate negative press about Blue Mountain.
Meanwhile, the truth has been suppressed by Microsoft's abusive
designations of all documents and testimony as "confidential."
You, Simon, are either a very bad astroturfer, or you get all of your
information from Microsoft press releases. I'd guess the latter.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:48:31 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Zenin in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >snip<
>:> No shit. Competing is much easier said than done. Superior product is
>:> much easer said than done. Business acumen is much easier said than
>:> done. Deal with it.
>:
>: How about you write us something along the lines of photoshop... or even
>: solitaire. Make it completely portable. And why not at the same time
>: explain how easy or not it was to do. Because unless *YOU* do it, it looks
>: like you've got a damn big opinion on you, and you're not going to accept
>: anyone else's experience to the contrary.
>
> Hmm, Gimp anyone?
I don't program, I don't call myself a programmer, and I don't feel I
need to in order to expect programmers to compete for business, just
like everybody else.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grega Bremec)
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:47:45 GMT
...and Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
<snip>
>Speaking of the missed Windows advocates, what ever happened
>to Drestin Black? I enjoyed his parroting of Microsoft
>doctrine and his smirking attitude. I guess he is too busy
>changing laser printer catridges and rebooting W2K servers.
Speaking of missing persons... I don't know if you'll remember it, but
that Tim's style of thinking seems to awfully remind of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
returning after he'd been properly educated by some local computer
guru about using caps in postings, and by some other local (perhaps
buddhist?) guru about holding back his temper just enough to be able
to write a bit more than the average 5 liner...
--
Grega Bremec
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gbsoft.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:49:38 -0400
In <39b417ca$5$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/04/00
at 09:44 PM, Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>On 09/04/2000 at 01:54 PM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes) said:
>> But a better thing would be to make the public schools at least as good
>> as the private schools. I believe, perhaps naively, that this can be
>> done; and even more naively, that it isn't simply a matter of money.
>> Money will be needed, no doubt, but more essential is the education of
>> the parents, and the political will to do what's best for the kids.
>You self-appointed, assinine leftists have been selling this bullshit for
>50 years I can remember and schools have gotten more and more money and
>worse and worse results. It's time to take the schools out of the hands of
>the politicians and unions and get them back in the hands of the parents.
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
>MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
>Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
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Please move this to alt.politics.clinton or somewhere like that instead of
comp.* groups
Mark
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:21:07 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:00:37 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >try to argue that it is not possible that by selecting Qt, by standing by
> >the choice in spite of public reactions,
>
> I doubt it. Here's why:
>
> (a) Public relations would not have caused a switch under any
circumstances.
> (b) Switching would result in defections and/or a fork in KDE.
> (c) Switching would have been technically difficult.
>
> (a) They wouldn't have chosen Qt in the first place if they didn't
> have some ideological differences with the GNU/zealots. And I don't think
> they'd just change their views because some GNU/zealots started beating
> their drums. So I don't believe that they would have switched toolkits
> over public relations alone, under any circumstances.
>
> (b) I believe that a lot of KDE developers would have left the project
> if they switched to something other than QT. After all, the KDE/GNOME
> choice has always been about Qt vs GTK and the people who joined KDE in
> the first place did so because they simply preferred Qt to GTK.
>
> (c) KDE is intimately connected with QT. For example, many of the KDE
> classes are derived from Qt classes. Changing the underlying toolkit
> would not just require a rewrite of KDElibs -- you would probably
> need to completely redesign the public interface.
Would your protestation still be valid with the availability of a drop in
replacement library for Qt?
> > by making Qt a relativly well known
> >library by it use in KDE, that he didn't ingratiate himself with
Trolltech
> >to the point that they hired.
>
> So now, you wish to refine your argument, since the other argument
> ( regarding the reasons for Ettrich choosing QT ) has been debunked.
> Very well.
Who is Ettrich now?
> It does not seem plausible that he stuck with Qt just to "ingratiate"
> himself with TT. The reason why I say this is because leading developers
> from several of the important projects are being hired by Linux companies.
> Red Hat have hired GNOME developers. Someone's hired Alan Cox ( I think
> Redhat again ). Mandrake have hired some developers ( KDE ).
>
> So I'd suggest that by virtue of being the leader of an important project,
> it was inevitable that he'd "ingratiate" himself with someone. The
> only question is who.
Thank for your agreement.
> > Also try to argue that the his being hired
> >could not be viewed as an attempt to cement the connection between KDE
and
> >Qt so that KDE would not jump ship and use another library.
>
> Nope. They couldn't do so anyway. See above.
You also, see above.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grega Bremec)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:54:06 GMT
...and Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
>Grega Bremec wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> "Don't give the beggar the fish he wants - teach him how to catch them
>> instead."
>
>Are you implying that the British don't know how to provide cheap
>internet access????????
Erm, no, actually. It was intended to target American behaviour as far
as sharing their knowledge with others is concerned.
>The problem in the UK is that too many people are fearful of
>self-reliance and so insist on socialism, which is VERY wasteful
>of natinoal resources.
I wouldn't know about UK's problems, as I don't live there, but like I
explained in my next post, my claim has not to do with self-reliance,
rather than with the fact one can't build a car if they don't know how
to produce steel. That's the sort of problem I'm talking about here.
--
Grega Bremec
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gbsoft.org/
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:56:05 GMT
On 09/04/2000 at 02:34 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) said:
> Since the figures they use were from the US DOE National center for
> education statistics, are you claiming that the US Dept Of Education is
> full of bullshit?
The DOE is a reliable source? I'll bet you believe President Bubba, the
CIA, etc. as well.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:58:43 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>No...your not familiar with the pricing because the easiest thing you could
>do would be to write the "cliff edge" price difference that you falsely
>claim is the reason OEM's were forced to buy per processor licence deals.
I never said or hinted that OEM's were forced to accept ppl deals. That
isn't what makes ppl deals illegal.
The fact that MS didn't have per-processor licensing with every single
vendor is *meaningless*, 'JS/PL'. Do you understand? YOU DON'T HAVE AN
ARGUMENT. This isn't a reason ppl's are OK, *nothing* is a reason ppl's
are OK. PPL's are not OK. OK? It doesn't *matter* if you don't
understand why that is. IT STILL IS. I've tried to explain it a couple
of times, and if you want, I'll explain it again, because I'm like that.
But you DON'T have any magical new perspective that's going to suddenly
turn per processor licensing into volume discounts. They're not.
You're just believing an empty lie made by someone who doesn't want you
to understand that ppl's are not legal pricing mechanisms. I'm almost
afraid to ask why. But that's OK, because it doesn't matter why; I'll
help you get over it, if you'd like.
Otherwise, quite bothering me.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:59:09 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said James A. Robertson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> I've already been over the "you can get around it" justification. I
>> thought I'd made that clear. Given A) Win95 upgrade and B) blank hard
>> disk, Microsoft makes it difficult and sometimes impossible to install.
>> Likewise, given A) Win95 OEM and B) non-blank hard disk, Microsoft makes
>> it difficult and sometimes impossible to install. Its an unreasonable
>> expense on the consumer, its anti-competitive, and its wrong. Case
>> closed.
>
>Which part of the word 'upgrade' didn't you understand?
That depends. Which word 'upgrade' were you using?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grega Bremec)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:58:48 GMT
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
>
>I have never hear that proverb, but I have heard this Chinese one that may
>be the source of the Japanese one.
>
>"Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day; but, teach a man how to
>fish and you have fed him for life."
>
That's the one allright. I'm sorry about my error, seems it's been a
while since I last heard the original...
Gosh, I feel quite embarrased over it.
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Grega Bremec
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:00:57 -0400
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Said Darren Winsper in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 23:25:12 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> And if the prior version was DOS from three years and two owners
>> previous, and you don't have that disk?
>
>Then get around it. [...]
Been there, done that. Are all these consumers really so stupid as to
think that they can be forced to have to 'get around' something put into
a product for no benefit whatsoever to them, and that's OK?
No, I *won't* get around it, dammit. Its *illegal*.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:01:43 -0400
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Said Mike Byrns in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
[...]
>Metris Companies
>
>No I don't reply or post on compay time.
That wasn't what I asked, BTW.
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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