Linux-Advocacy Digest #997, Volume #28 Fri, 8 Sep 00 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451796 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform ("Shocktrooper")
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform ("Shocktrooper")
GIS & philosophy... ??? (was:Re: philosophy is better than science) (Frank HOFFMANN)
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Why I hate Windows... ("MH")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Joe R.")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Joe R.")
Re: Computer and memory ("Chad Myers")
Re: Computer and memory (Chris Street - remove antispam in email)
Re: Computer and memory ("Chad Myers")
Re: Computer and memory ("Chad Myers")
Re: Computer and memory ("Chad Myers")
Re: Computer and memory (Chris Street - remove antispam in email)
Re: Why I hate Windows... ("Ingemar Lundin")
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451796
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:26:55 GMT
Here's today's Malloy digest. Interestingly, he still didn't respond to the
proof of his continuing lies. He hit the 200 postings-since-late-May level.
202> Here's today's Tholen digest. Interestingly, he still didn't respond to the
202> proof of his continuing lies.
You're erroneously presupposing that you posted any proof, Malloy. In
reality, you haven't. You simply claim you have because of your
ineffective "parrot" mode.
202> He's hit the 2000 postings-since-late-May level.
Liar.
202> To the digest improper:
202>
202> [Wake me, will ya, when Tholen begins to say anything of any importance.]
202>
202> Thanks for reading!
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Malloy likes to hear himself. The evidence:
"I take it Tholen has attempted to digest me, but since no message
to that effect appears on my newserver today, I present an oldie:"
--Joe Malloy
Maybe it's because he has trouble seeing. The evidence:
"Where does he say anything about clergy, Tholen?"
--Joe Malloy
"It follows from your pontificating actions and the discussion
of the clergy..."
--Eric Bennett
And the question of Slava's that he continues to ignore:
Message-ID: <N8On5.61$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:11:34 +1000
"Why do you post exactly the same thing in each one of your
'digests', and then hypocritically accuse Tholen of not saying
'anything of value'?"
--Slava Pestov
"[who is this "Slava," Tholen, one of your sock puppets?]"
--Joe Malloy
And proof that Malloy still lies:
"Notice how he *doesn't* post from his work account"
--Joe Malloy, 2000 August 31
] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Tholen)
] Date: 26 Aug 2000 05:37:32 GMT
] Message-ID: <8o7l2s$sr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"he had a little chat with TPTB, you see."
--Joe Malloy, 2000 August 31
There is no "TPTB" here, Malloy, nor was there any "chat"
with any similar group of people.
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From: "Shocktrooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:45:55 GMT
"Jeffery Priddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8p9c7m$c2j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=) wrote:
> >Jeffery Priddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider) wrote:
> >> >"Shocktrooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>"D. Spider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >>> comp.os.linux.advocacy "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> I always thought you should be able to drop a file onto a task bar
> >> >>> >> button and it should react the same as dropping it on the program name
> >> >>> >> in explorer.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >So what should the behaviour be when I drop a file onto the Word
> >> >>> >button on the taskbar ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The best solution would be the default behavior, i.e. the same thing
> >> >>> as dropping it to the program name - open (in a new window.)
> >> >>
> >> >>Which is what it does.
> >> >
> >> >No, that was the whole point. It doesn't. It pops up an error message
> >> >instead.
> >>
> >> The message explains it-- Drag to the app icon on the taskbar,
> >> hover there a brief time, and then the app will pop forward so
> >> you can drag directly to it. This drag-hover-drag-drop UI is
> >
> >And of course it doesn't do what Shmockdrooler says it does. It does NOT
> >"open (in a new window.)"
No, *YOU* can't comprehend the difference between the dragging it to an open DOCUMENT
on the taskbar, and dragging it to
an APPLICATION icom on the taskbar.
There are TWO different things, and Windows ( at least Win98 and Win2K ) will do the
*correct* thing for each seperate case:
If you drag it over to an open document, it'll bring that document forward and let you
drop it in there.
If you drag it over to an application icon, it'll open that file int hat application (
providing the app can handle that file ).
For example, I have a word document on my desktop, called "test.doc". I have a Word
shortcut in my taskbar to quick launch word. I
open another word document, called "test2.doc".
This opens up a new button/icon for the document "test2.doc" in my taskbar.
If I drag "test.doc" to the taskbar application launch icon for Word, it will open up
that file in Word.
If I hover"test.doc" over the "test2.doc" button.. it'll bring "test2.doc" forward,
and let me place "test.doc" within it.
In otherwards:
If you drag to an application, it launches that application.
If you drag to an open document, it places it in that document.
How else should it be? Drag it to a document and it doesn't place it in that document
but launchs another instance of the
application? That would be inconsistant, illogical and "bo-bo".
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From: "Shocktrooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:45:56 GMT
"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8p9nmt$ipa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bruce Ediger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:8p84kt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider) wrote:
> > > > > >No, MS told the world that. MDI is a much better way of doing
> > > > > >things in *certain applications.* Why do people have so much
> > > > > >trouble understanding that different problems have different
> > > > > >optimal solutions?
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it's just really, really hard to imagine which certain
> > > > > application(s) that MDI might be optimal.
> > > > >
> > > > > You know that old saying about how every problem looks like a
> > > > > nail if your only tool is a hammer? Well, if MDI is your
> > > > > hammer, every problem looks like your thumb.
> > > >
> > > > Since when was MDI the only style of Windows programs available?
> > > > Which you hammer story woulds seem that you are suggesting.
> > >
> > > I never did see your "reason" for MDI. I'm interested...
> > >
> >
> > I was just waiting to see if anyone in this thread has any memory of
> > the real reasons, so far all I have seen is two corny and childish
> > replies. I was hoping for a serious reply, but perhaps that is too
> > much to hope for, you are right I will not write and then post it.
>
> I'd guess it was done at least in part to avoid a lawsuit from Apple.
>
> Many of Microsoft's interface decisions over the years look like they
> were made on this basis, which is part of the reason Windows gets so
> much wrong; Apple got things right, Microsoft insisted on stealing
> things, but had to settle for a less-than-optimal solution to avoid
> harassment by Apple lawyers.
Yes, do not want to get in trouble with "apple lawyers" for the single button mouse..
MS has given us an elegant solution of
maximized control with the two button, scroll wheel mouse..
Luckily, MS is not as rapid, and has not gone after logitech, and others.. so now we
have a wealth of non-single button mice for
sale.
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From: Frank HOFFMANN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GIS & philosophy... ??? (was:Re: philosophy is better than science)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:45:42 +0200
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dear "philosophers"...
please, keep the agenda for newsgroups...
i do NOT like to see this kind of "philosophy" to be continued
on the comp.infosystems.GIS newsgroup pages,
--
make your "follow-up" to the correct "philosophy"
newsgroup if any...
regards, fh.
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Phillip Lord wrote:
> >>>>> "Perry" == Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Perry> Our society (the U.S.) is one of the few that strives to give
> Perry> everyone the opportunity to acchieve their full potential.
> >> You society is one which venerates the illusion of this ideal
> >> above all others maybe. It would appear to me that the history of
> >> the US is entirely one a class struggle, from its beginnings in a
> >> bourgeois revolution,
>
> Perry> Now that's a bunch a communist propaganda bullshit. A
> Perry> bourgeois revolution?? No, the American revolution was a
>
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dear "philosophers"...
<br>please, keep the agenda for newsgroups...
<br>i do NOT like to see this kind of "philosophy" to be continued
<br>on the <b><u>comp.infosystems.GIS newsgroup</u></b> pages,
<br>--
<br>make your "follow-up" to the correct "philosophy"
<br>newsgroup if any...
<p>regards, fh.
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<br>Phillip Lord wrote:
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writes:
<p> Perry> Our society (the U.S.) is one of the few that strives
to give
<br> Perry> everyone the opportunity to acchieve their full potential.
<br> >> You society is one which venerates the illusion of
this ideal
<br> >> above all others maybe. It would appear to me that the history
of
<br> >> the US is entirely one a class struggle, from its beginnings
in a
<br> >> bourgeois revolution,
<p> Perry> Now that's a bunch a communist propaganda bullshit. A
<br> Perry> bourgeois revolution?? No, the American revolution was
a
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: 8 Sep 2000 12:05:00 GMT
In article <6ZNt5.988$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christophe Ochal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And as for my Amiga, they'll have to wring it out of my dead, stiff
> & cold hands....
Sounds like an excellent bargain to me... >:^)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Name me one elf who wants to go to Blackpool after he dies.
-- Raymond E. Feist on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:32:14 -0400
> > For all their failures, no one can claim that they made the
> > mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the average
> > person. You will be more sucessful in business if you also
> > do not assume your customers are intelligent.
Of course. Same with politics. Look at how many want Bush in the white
house.
Same lustful idiocy drives MS's sales as drives voters for Bush.
Don't bother replying witless, er,.. I mean kulkis..I don't see your posts.
I notice how cleaner my newsclient looks since. Not to mention how much more
of an enjoyable experience cruising COLA has become since.
If it walks like a...
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:43:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:00:41 +0100, Stuart Fox
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a noticable
> >> impact on climate,
> >
> >
> >It is the height of arrogance to consider that we don't. It is exactly
> >this
> >arrogance that means we have such a problem with pollution now.
>
> What is arrogant is to think that we can destroy the planet. The
I never claimed that.
Aaron was claiming that it was the height of arrogance to even
_consider_ whether we could make even a noticeable impact on climate. To
even _consider_ it.
I would rather err on the side of safey on this one -- for the reasons
you gave below.
> planet and her ecosystem can heal itself. WE are the entity that
> we have to worry about with our questionable enviromental practices.
>
> Life will continue, we won't.
I agree completely.
Unfortunately, that's a fairly undesirable outcome from my perspective.
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:43:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:00:41 +0100, Stuart Fox
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a
> > >> noticable
> > >> impact on climate,
> > >
> > >
> > >It is the height of arrogance to consider that we don't. It is
> > >exactly this
> > >arrogance that means we have such a problem with pollution now.
> >
> > What is arrogant is to think that we can destroy the planet.
> > The planet and her ecosystem can heal itself.
>
> Spot the contradiction.
>
> That which is ***DESTROYED*** cannot heal itself.
>
Maybe you should read what he said.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:52:42 GMT
"Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Do you understand, Chad, that Europeans are not the only ones to blame
> for a bad (and slow) transcontinental link? "2:1" told you that his
> local transfer rates are entirely satisfactory. Which I find out every
> day, as having sunsite.org.uk (that's the host that's situated in the
> Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine at the University
> of London) as my favourite mirror. You know, the entire Central Europe
> is in between me and the college, and the transfer rates can still be
> as high as 80 to 150KB/sec.
I understand that it's all European's fault for a slow transcontinent link.
America has no incentive to build a bigger one.
When European countries give their citizens better control over their
telcos and consequently Internet options, American companies will have
more incentive to build a bigger link.
Conversely, if European corporations were on the ball, they'd be laying
more fiber themselves.
How come the Americans have to do everything for you?
> >Why do you wait for us to do something for you?
>
> Because it takes two to fix a cross-atlantic link.
No it doesn't. Most of the link that are there right now are from MCI
Worldcom, Sprint, AT&T and a few others, all of which have US and
British offices.
I don't see any European companies clammoring to lay more fiber.
It seems you are the one who is closed minded. You'd rather sit back,
do nothing and blame the Americans the whole time.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street - remove antispam in
email)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Reply-To: chrisngfb@mithrandir-DOT-demon-DOT-co-DOT-uk
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:51:51 GMT
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 02:40:58 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> And who exactly made the US the babysitter of the world?
Irrelevant crap snipped
I suggest you take the time and trouble to actually learn a little
history. Also if you want to try flims like Private Ryan as reliable
sources of evidence, fine. Just don't wonder why everyone is killing
themselves laughing.
For the record, I am a Briton. Fortunatly I know that most Americans
are not like you, otherwise you would all be banned from entering the
country.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:55:19 GMT
"Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ...and Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
> >
> >Another lesson in history, just for you and the seemingly weak education
> >system in Belgium.... The native americans, a.k.a indians, were wiped out by
> >European settlers way before someone could blame the US for it. Not to
> >mention the fact that in the early years of US most of the population was
> >Europeans.
>
> ROTFLMAO! :-))))
>
> ...and then they magically transformed into another nation called "The
> Amahricannz" somehow. Otto, you kill me. :-)
Do they not teach history in European schools?
For the first ~200 years of the colonization, where do you think 99%
of the colonizers came from?
(hint: serious colonization started in the early 17th century and
they all came over from across the Atlantic. You do know where
the Atlantic is, don't you?)
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:58:20 GMT
"Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:iS3u5.1076$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> diZt5.17875$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> vikings, Romans, Crusades, these were committed by both our ancestors, as
> for the Nazis yes, they killed millions of people, but tell me, how many
> were killed in Hiroshima in one day?
How many would've been killed had we not have dropped the bomb?
Far more.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:59:02 GMT
"Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:iS3u5.1077$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > Hell, the Nazis killed more people than the US military has killed in
> > all wars combined.
>
> That seems a little overexagerated tho
It's a fact. Do the math. They do teach math in Europe, right?
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street - remove antispam in
email)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Reply-To: chrisngfb@mithrandir-DOT-demon-DOT-co-DOT-uk
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:04:22 GMT
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:55:19 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> ...and Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
>> >
>> >Another lesson in history, just for you and the seemingly weak education
>> >system in Belgium.... The native americans, a.k.a indians, were wiped out by
>> >European settlers way before someone could blame the US for it. Not to
>> >mention the fact that in the early years of US most of the population was
>> >Europeans.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO! :-))))
>>
>> ...and then they magically transformed into another nation called "The
>> Amahricannz" somehow. Otto, you kill me. :-)
>
>Do they not teach history in European schools?
>
>For the first ~200 years of the colonization, where do you think 99%
>of the colonizers came from?
>
>(hint: serious colonization started in the early 17th century and
> they all came over from across the Atlantic. You do know where
> the Atlantic is, don't you?)
>
>-Chad
>
>
I think you will find most of the native americans were wiped out in
the 19th century. That's after the the declaration of independance
that treats all except Indians and black slaves equally.
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:10:55 GMT
Her! Her! with you on that one ;-)
/IL
> Don't bother replying witless, er,.. I mean kulkis..I don't see your
posts.
> I notice how cleaner my newsclient looks since. Not to mention how much
more
> of an enjoyable experience cruising COLA has become since.
> If it walks like a...
>
>
>
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