Linux-Advocacy Digest #682, Volume #29 Mon, 16 Oct 00 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Astroturfing ("Chad Myers")
Re: Astroturfing ("Chad Myers")
Re: Space Station, Windows & Unix (Robert Love)
Re: Astroturfing ("Chad Myers")
Re: Why the Linonuts fear me ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Sucks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (jazz)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (jazz)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Why the Linonuts fear me (Gary Hallock)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Darin Johnson)
Re: Astroturfing
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:00:15 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8amG5.9426$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<SNIP: other claiming Win2K is great>
> If it were true that win2k integrated with standards you would not
> have any problems using it as a client to standard LDAP
Please cite specific, documented examples. Until then, I'll consider
this an unknowledgable contrived statement.
> and kerberos servers and you would lose no functionality compared
> to having to run an active directory server.
What functionality would you lose? Specifically?
Here they are:
a.) Group policy
b.) Down-level NT authentication tokens
c.) Group Membership
Of these, which other OS or Kerberos server supports? You can use
Win2K as a client to any other Kerberos server, but you can't take
advantage of these features. Why not? Because they're Win2k -> Win2K
specific. This would not benefit anyone in a Unix <-> Win2K situation,
so your point is irrelevant.
By the way, Win2K's implementation of Kerberos krbv5 is fully compliant.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
> I don't think that is true at all. In fact I think it is like most
> other Microsoft products that claim standards compliance yet really
> refuse to interoperate with other vendors' products.
More contrived statments.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:02:43 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What's a skatepunk?
An anti-establishment liberal who listens to punk rock music and usually
passes the time skating rather than working.
If they do use computers, they most likely use Linux as the OS if, for
no other reason, to be anti-establishment to MS (as if MS is an
establishment).
In fact, you'll find that most Linux advocates seem to hate MS for
no good reason and fail to back up any claims they make because they
read them from other skatepunk-like advocacy sites that bash MS
and Windows without any credible evidence.
A skatepunk is not necessarily a Linux advocate, nor is a Linux
advocate a skatepunk, but they are very, very alike in more ways
than one.
-Chad
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:51:51 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >> And over reefer smoking linux skatepunks like you :-)
> >
> >skatepunks?........HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!.....AAAaaaaa......good one!......and
> >you are?......57?
> >>
> >
>
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From: Robert Love <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Station, Windows & Unix
Date: 15 Oct 2000 22:05:05 -0500
>>>>> "Ghost" == The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Why trust critical systems to Windows? And yet I see that the
>> USAF is switching Cheyenne mountain to Windows. Its almost
>> criminal.
Ghost> Which systems are they switching? If they're desktops or
Ghost> low-grade "personal web servers", I'd not be too worried
Ghost> (although Linux is probably a better -- and cheaper! --
Ghost> alternative, complete with auditable and freely available
Ghost> source code).
Ghost> I doubt they're switching the satellite monitors (I assume
Ghost> Cheyenne Mountain is an adjunct of NORAD or something,
Ghost> dedicated to keeping our airspace clean of enemy missiles
Ghost> :-) ). I'm not sure even Linux would be appropriate there.
Yes, by Cheyenne Mountain I meant NORAD. Its main war room is located
inside this facility in Colorado Springs.
Let me quote from the October 9 "Space News"
Pentagon Commands Embrace Windows
New U.S. Air Force systems at U.S. Space Command and North American
Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) will use the Microsoft Windows
operating system instead of Unix, an industry official said.
The Air Force awarded the $1.5 Billion Integrated Space Command and
Control (ISC2) contract to Lockheed Martin Corp.
The service wants to modernize and integrate the 40 air, missile and
space systems at U.S. Space Command and NORAD.
Now I see that some east coast cities are discussing requiring the use
of open source software so they won't be held prisoner to one
corporation or proprietary standard. Hell, usually the military
requires second sourcing so there is no single point supply failure.
It seems that LockMart has bungled again...and the USAF fell for it.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:03:55 GMT
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8sd786$1ur$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <39e7dc20$0$42761$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > What's wrong with Windows 2000?
> > >
> > > Stabilty.
> >
> > There are no issues of stability with W2K. None. W2k is every bit as
> stable
> > as any other OS.
>
>
> ROFLOL!! In your wet dreams.
Typical Linvocate reply. No substantiation, no reply, no claims, no
nothing, just pure, unadulterated BS.
This guy wouldn't know stability if it bit him in the ass.
"No really, X crashing 6 times a day for no reason is still better
than M$!" or something similar.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why the Linonuts fear me
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:05:42 GMT
You certainly seem to waste an inordainite amount of time fending me
off from an IBM account.
claire
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:02:46 -0400, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Why do my posts generate so much hate and semi-intelligent insults
>> from the Linux world?
>>
>
>blah blah blah
>
>My, you sure do have a big opinion of yourself. No one here fears you.
>We laugh at you.
>
>Gary
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:07:12 GMT
Spoken like a true ex-Linux user.
I'm saving this post. A real classic.
claire
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:59:41 -0400, "James E. Freedle II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yeah, I installed Linux and was impressed with the speed of the command
>prompt. Of course then there was the problem that I could not do anything on
>my computer. The installer left me wondering what in the hell I installed,
>and more importantly not even the manual told me what I could do with Linux.
>I am not geek here and I have more important things to do than mess with
>trying to figure out how to use an ancient OS. Linux has it's uses, I am
>sure that people can study the soures, but what they will get out of them, I
>will never know. As far as the stability of Linux is concerned, it is easy
>to have a stable system, just install an operating system with no useful
>applications (Linux), and useful applications I mean applications that
>normal everyday users will use) and have it sit there, then it will be
>stable.
>"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:49:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On 15 Oct 2000 15:22:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry
>> >Porter) wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>Of course Linux stands on it's own, and there is certainly a
>> >>>contingent of Linux supporters that want to keep it that way and to
>> >>>not try and compete with home use desktop Windows.
>> >>Hahahahah, only Wintroll "Linux users" like you "Steve".
>> >
>> >Read /. some day.
>> I do all the time:)
>>
>> >
>> >The "leave Linux to the geek" contingent far outnumbers the "compete
>> >with Win desktop" contingent.
>> ???
>> >
>> >You need to get out more.
>> Thanks for the advice :)
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>Linux strengths are widespread, in both server, and desktop areas, do I
>really
>> >>need to give you the list again, (for the 1000 time) "Steve" ?
>> >
>> >How about some home user desktop strengths, excepting cost?
>> You know them well enough "Steve".
>>
>> >Remember we are talking average Jane here, not some geek running
>> >Emacs.
>> I've never used Emacs.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> but Linux
>> >>>>>is not taking any market share away from the Windows desktop.
>> >>>>Linux took my Windows95 market share off my pc in 1997.
>> >>>
>> >>>So we have been told, about a 1000 times already.
>> >>Some people need a lot of repetition "Steve", and your one of them.
>> >
>> >Typical for the Linonuts, like you, to compare an ancient version of
>> >Windows to a current version of Linux.
>> ????????????
>> In 1997 when I switched to Linux full time, I had the "current" Windows on
>my
>> pc, I replaced it with the then "current" Linux version, its *still* on my
>pc.
>> Yes ..... "Steve", I'm still hassling you 3 years later, with the *same*
>Linux
>> version I installed in 1997, same hard disk, same everything.
>>
>> You in the mean time have "upgraded" how many times ???
>>
>> My total cost has been $6.50, for the origonal Cheapbytes Linux CD.
>>
>>
>> >At least I am running a current version of Linux.
>> >Mandrake 7.1, soon to be 7.2 if you will.
>> Well I'm sure you're proud of your new toy, does it fool any long time
>Linux
>> users like me tho ???
>>
>>
>> >
>> >And in fact I am running an older version of Windows 98 SE and it
>> >still blows the doors off of Linux.
>> Hahahah, well it couldnt blow of the Windows, now could it ??? ;-)
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>Bull, Ive had a lady friend using Linux the last 3 weeks, before that
>she had
>> >>>>*never* seen Linux. She loves it, uses Xchat to IRC and is amazed how
>much
>> >>>>easier it is than mIRC under Windows98. In fact she rues the day that
>she
>> >>>>upgraded from Win95 to Win98.
>> >>>
>> >>>If she did a migrate instead of a fresh install, she should. That was
>> >>>a nightmare.
>> >>Who said anything about a install ???
>> >>She didnt install, migrate, or fly south for the winter ;-)
>> >
>> >An upgrade implies an install somewhere along the line. Unless she got
>> >a new machine pre loaded.
>> Nope wrong again, and I had such high hopes for your insight once ....
>>
>> >
>> >I liked Linux as well when I first started using it but the novelty
>> >wore off as soon as I took a look at how much extra work I had to do
>> >just to perform simple tasks.
>> Hahahah, you bitched like a looser, "wahhhhh, my printer wont work,
>> Linux is a POS", but then in 1997, we all thought you were bonafide,
>before
>> we found out that even your name is phony.
>>
>> >
>> >Reading news offline is one of them.
>> ?? No problem to the rest of the world ...
>>
>> >Printing was another. And don't bother to tell me about your boat
>> >anchor IBM printer you bought at some flea market. We have heard it
>> >all before.
>> Well it's still relevant "Steve", its a IBM 4029, does 600*600dpi, at 10
>pages
>> per minute, works of most OS's, speaks PS,PCL,HPGL, and text, cost $70
>second
>> hand, and the toner and drum pack (good for 7000-9000 pages) cost $140
>(recond).
>>
>> Its a dream, and the PS cababiliy makes it a breeze to use with Linux. Oh
>btw
>> "Steve" were you aware that the Mac has always used PS as a printer
>language ?
>>
>> Steve is still pissed of the $90 Cannon "special" he bought has problems
>> with Linux. Ah well, we live and learn dont we "Steve" ?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>Shes a user, plain and simple, its using Win98 she hates!
>> >
>> >I'll bet if you put her in front of 2 machines one running Win95 and
>> >the other running Win98 she wouldn't even know the difference.
>> Ill get back to you on thet one, Wintroll.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>If she's happy, that's great.
>> >>>Does she run DVD's?
>> >>Nope, and shes back home using her Windows98 box again, it was my Linux
>> >>pc she used for 4 weeks. All I did was create a account for her, and let
>her
>> >>choose from one of 4 window managers on my system (she chose XFWM),
>after that
>> >>she used the system easily.
>> >
>> >I think you are FOS... just by the fact that you say she chose XFWM..
>> >What were the other 3 choices?
>> Opps I meant Xfce
>>
>> 2/Windowmaker
>> 3/Blackbox
>> 4/flwm
>>
>> Just for your interest, Xfce ,Blackbox and flwm have had new versions
>> released since then :)
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>Yes I do, Linux is an excellent desltop system imho.
>> >
>> >Maybe for you..
>> Definetly for me!
>>
>> >
>> >>>
>> >
>> >>A meaningless statement, from the Wintroll "Steve".
>> >
>> >So what have you said so far?
>> The same old stuff, like you :)
>>
>> >
>> >A summary:
>> >
>> >I had a lady friend stay with me for four weeks and since I didn't
>> >have a Windows PC available for her to use, she was forced to use my
>> >Linux PC. And of course she loved it beyond her wildest imaginations.
>> >Now she is home and back with her miserable Win98 pc..Booo hooo!
>> Hahahahah, thats more like it "Steve", your humour is cool when you try!
>>
>> >
>> >>>just as quickly because it requires more effort to do less than what
>> >>>they can do under Windows.
>> >>Please "Steve" at least put a *little* effort into this ??
>> >
>> >>* More effort to do less of what ?
>> >
>> >Browsing for one.
>> hahahahahahah!!!!
>> If Windows users tried Lynx, theyd be blown away by the speed as compared
>to
>> Exploders sluglish bloated performance.
>>
>> >Plug ins that websites require that don't work with Netscape for
>> What type of plug ins, mortage calculators, pornview ?
>>
>> >Linux.
>> >Waiting until someone out of the goodness of their heart writes a
>> >driver for your hardware.
>> Or you can use the brain in your head (im assuming you have one) and avail
>> yourself with all the FREE Linux tools, and write your own ?
>>
>> Or you can pay someone to do it (you did anyway when you bought that pile
>> of Cannon junk).
>>
>> Or you can use the Linux drivers thhat exist for most hardware that isnt
>> *closed* and *bleeding edge*, ie too new to reverse engineer.
>>
>> >Etc..
>> >>Hahahahah, how much effort was required to earn the money to purchase
>Windows,
>> >>and pay for the never ending "upgrade" path ?
>> >
>> >Time is money.
>> Yawn, then what are you still doing here ?
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>How much effort was required to upgrade the hardware to run "new"
>versions
>> >>of Windows ?
>> >
>> >I don't run a new version.
>> Still using Win3.1 ???
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>How much effort was required to pay for the software they needed, which
>is
>> >>probably available (equivalent or better) under Linux for *free* ?
>> >
>> >Ahh but it isn't available.
>> Hmm look harder, it wont come to you.
>>
>> >
>> >How about groupware?
>> Dont you mean "Bloatware" ?
>>
>> >
>> >>How much effort was required to reload Windows, when the registery
>became
>> >>corrupted, or a virus totaled their sustem ?
>> >
>> >Never had a problem.
>> Lucky you.
>>
>> >And when fsk takes hours to not fix your hard drive?
>> Try the Reiser file system then ? Linux has it:)
>> BTW, my EXT2 FS, 1.2 gig takes only a couple mins to FSK, no longer than
>> the Windows FAT or VFAT took to check with scandisk.
>>
>> >>How much effort was required to discover someone using their Windows pc,
>via
>> >>Netbus or similar ?
>> >
>> >ZoneAlarm.
>> Non MS ?
>> Does it come with Windows ?
>>
>> >Free.
>> >
>> >And how many hours did you spend reading How-To's to set up your
>> >firewall?
>> None.
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Steve" you havent improved your techniques since I was last reading
>this
>> >>group, perhaps its time for a holiday, I hear the English countryside is
>good
>> >>for that kind of thing ?
>> >
>> >And you haven't proved one point.
>> Yeah but I've had a lot of fun :)
>>
>> >
>> >>Perhaps your owners at IBM will give you a few weeks off ?
>> >
>> >?????
>> >
>> >I'm in business for myself.
>> Yeah, the Wintroll business.
>>
>> >
>> >Claire
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>claire
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Kind Regards
>> >>Terry
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kind Regards
>> Terry
>> --
>> **** ****
>> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux, and has been
>> up 13 hours 22 minutes
>> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jazz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:06:32 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard M. Denney"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jazz wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I've found that a good solution is to use Word under VMWare.
> >
> > Thanks, what's that?
> >
> > I just started looking at prices for Pentium III systems. Boy, cheap,
> > compared to the Macs I'd need to buy to run OSX.
> >
> > Jim
>
> I think VMWare is the best solution. See www.vmware.com. I also run
> Linux in a Microsoft-dependent medical school. In Linux I have Windows
> NT4 loaded with MS Office and Adobe photoshop and they work fine. For
> goodness sake, use whatever tool is easiest for your job. VMware permits
> one to have the best of both worlds.
>
> Rick
I'll check it out. My problem is I want to do my usual Mac stuff with MS
Word, and do development under Linux. On the same machine.
I've just discovered that some pretty good Linux's are available for Macs.
And I would not have to upgrade to the G3 I'd need for OS X, or buy a
Linux PC.
Plus it would let me boot Linux off of one HD, and Mac OS off another.
Thanks again,
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 15 Oct 2000 21:57:59 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>All I ask for is the ability to import Star Office files into Word. Possible?
don't know, but staroffice can write word format (.doc) files
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 15 Oct 2000 21:47:58 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <e1qG5.3420$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan
>Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > I really need a powerful word processor with templates, styles, etc.
> ...
>Unfortunately the world uses Word, and since I coauthor papers, I have to
>use it or something compatible.
staroffice, wordperfect, applixware. i heard that abiword also
supports word docs
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jazz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:11:06 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard M. Denney"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jazz wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I've found that a good solution is to use Word under VMWare.
> >
> > Thanks, what's that?
> >
> > I just started looking at prices for Pentium III systems. Boy, cheap,
> > compared to the Macs I'd need to buy to run OSX.
> >
> > Jim
>
> I think VMWare is the best solution. See www.vmware.com. I also run
> Linux in a Microsoft-dependent medical school. In Linux I have Windows
> NT4 loaded with MS Office and Adobe photoshop and they work fine. For
> goodness sake, use whatever tool is easiest for your job. VMware permits
> one to have the best of both worlds.
>
> Rick
Erp...I checked it out and am sorry I didn't make clear I'm currently a
Mac/Unix guy thinking about dumping my Mac for Linux (the Unix is our
supercomputer, which I am not allowed to take home).
Anyway, VMWare looks great for someone like me in Windows who needs Linux
too. But to me, anything related to Windows is as alien and welcome as
eating rocks. Not to say that some rocks don't taste good, it's just not
me, ya know...
Thanks again,
Jim
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:11 +1000
"John Lockwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:57:44 GMT, "James A. Robertson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >>
> >> Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> [...]
> >> >Next time you buy a new car bring your own carburetor in and plop it
on the
> >> >counter, and say "Put this in it will you" to the salesman.
> >>
> >> Umm, carburetors in cars aren't third party components, as OSes on PCs
> >> are. You misunderstood the analogy. Not that any car dealer is going
> >> to have any trouble with your request; they certainly don't have any
> >> 'per car licensing' agreements on carburetors.
> >
> >They aren't? Just how useful is the PC without the OS? Are you of the
> >belief that the acerage consumer is capable of loading and configuring
> >an OS all by themselves? if so, you haven't actually seen a neophyte
> >attempt this.
>
> Who's talking about consumers? Wasn't he talking about the car
> dealer?
Car dealers (more correctly, car manufacturers) put together cars, OEMs put
together computers. What's the difference ?
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:26:54 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why the Linonuts fear me
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You certainly seem to waste an inordainite amount of time fending me
> off from an IBM account.
>
> claire
>
Hu? What IBM account are you referring to? As for, time, it's only a
few seconds here and there. And I wouldn't call it fending off. More
like having a good laugh.
Gary
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:40:47 GMT
"Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Not necessarily, actually. Up to a point, it costs more to provide that
> compatibility than you get as a return. Which means you don't do it -- in
> much the same way that if you won't make a profit doing something,
> businesses won't do it. Unless they're nonprofit charities, of course.
It's short-term versus long-term profits. Keeping the customer base
happy and the product mobile and adaptable can make a difference in
the long run, even though short term profits may suffer. It's hard to
find a CEO or board of directors that care about the long term though.
> Unless the number of people who want a compatible version outweigh the cost
> of development for that version -- OR you increase the price point (and
> prices in the marketplace are typically set by the market, not the vendor,
> so you don't have that leeway).
Or you have a lock on the majority of the market, such that customer
opinions don't count for much.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:50:42 GMT
Chad...just shut the fuck up and read the thread!
and oh yeah...grow a brain will U?
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