Linux-Advocacy Digest #781, Volume #29 Sat, 21 Oct 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Astroturfing ("Weevil")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World? ("David Brown")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Pim van Riezen)
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (Andres Soolo)
Re: Linux security? It's been a busy week. (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Ms employees begging for food ("Weevil")
Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World? ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: memory WHINING! ("Weevil")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Tired O'Shills)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (NAVARRO LOPEZ,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel)
Re: Why Linux is great. ("Weevil")
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:21:09 -0500
Mike Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Just to bring this topic back in line. It isn't enough that
> microsoft offered to pay for testimonials in the past, but that
> they are continuing to do it today. If you want, you can update
> the price list for letting people know how nice microsoft is.
> bill Gates and company are more than willing and able to pay your
> hundreds of dollars to send notes and post messages extolling the
> virtues of "the microsoft Way"
>
> By the way, the Wall Street Journal had a blurb about MS's
> lobbyist, Ralph
> Reed. His lobbying organization is offering money for letters,
> calls and
> visits to the "powers at be" about MS. It is entitled "BOUNTY
> PAYMENTS
> are offered for pro-Microsoft letters and calls." $200.00 for
> a letter
> to a member of Congress from a mayor or local Republican Pa;rty
> office.
> An op-ed piece in local newspapers fetches $500.00. A letter
> from a fund
> raiser is worth $450.00.
>
> MS is looking for the best men money can buy.
>
>
> Amazing isn't it? And the windows weenies have the balls to even
> argue the point?
>
What's amazing is that with hundreds of millions of users of their products,
Microsoft actually pays people to advocate it. The mind boggles at what
this implies.
jwb
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:40:41 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Weevil wrote:
> >
> > Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Heh. If he listens to a word you say, the last thing he'll be is
educated.
> >
> > Hey, when are you guys gonna shave your heads and wear robes and start
> > singing Windows Carols in airports?
>
> I'd be happy if they just doused themselves in gasoline and set themselves
> on fire....the way all good cultists do.
I thought all good cultists drank kool-aid, it is cheaper than gasoline.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World?
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:42:53 +0200
As far as I understood it, NT 4 workstation supports 2 CPUs, server supports
4 or more. For W2K, the workstation version ("professional", IIRC) supports
only 1 unless you are upgrading a dual-processor NT4 workstation to w2k.
Similarly, w2k server supports 2 CPUs unless you are upgrading from a 4-CPU
NT4 server. The bigger (same software, but a thicker manual and a much
bigger price tag) versions support more CPUs.
Whereas every version of Linux supports more CPUs than you are likely to
need in a long long time (and if you need more, that can be done too).
Nik Simpson wrote in message ...
>
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8sp2ti$vnd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> It is interesting that you mention the AMD SledgeHammer - a chip that
>Linux
>> will fully support in all its 64-bit glory when it comes out (simulation
>and
>> testing is going on now), whereas MS has no plans to support it at all.
>And
>> as for SMP - going the Windows route, you have to buy the expensive w2k
>> server to take advantage of two processors, whereas Linux supports SMP on
>> every system.
>>
>
>Beep wrong answer, thankyou fo pllaying. Just for you education, all
>versions of Windows 2000 support SMP.
>
>
>--
>Nik Simpson
>
>
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From: Pim van Riezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:57:05 +0200
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> >Therefore, saying that *TO MY KNOWLEDGE* these are the facts as I see them
> >is a damn good statement. It doesn't imply courage, or lack thereof. It
> >implies facts. Not emotion. FACTS.
>
> You say "to my knowledge" because you want to hedge your bet and allow
> yourself an "out" when you're eventually proven wrong because you a)
> don't have the courage of your convictions, and/or b) know you are
> wrong, and are presenting an empty pretense of an argument.
Only the fool thinks it is a wise thing to anticipate never to change
one's point of view. He said "to my knowledge" and I interpret that as "my
opinion is based upon an unknown subset of all facts, if facts come up
that prove me that my opinion is wrong, I am humble enough to change my
opinion taking these new facts into consideration".
Posing courage of ones convictions to be a profound thing is akin to
stating that nationalism, racism and fundamentalism are inherently good
qualities. True greatness comes from a willingness to change. We call this
process "learning" and it is what makes us, the human race, improve
ourselves over time.
Linux, as a movement, has this willingness to change. The decentralized
and superficially chaotic organization of this thing we call "Linux" in
fact has its strength, for most part, _because_ of the dynamics that come
out of the way the Linux movement is organized. Linux adapts itself quite
well when there is a need for it. It is the Windows OS, for most parts,
that has shown the greater stiffness. How long would, under the conditions
of the Linux community, an API-set like Win32 survive before it were to
get thrown away for something different? And yet, the Windows world has
been dealing with it since '95 and will probably have to for quite a long
while to go. How's that for spirit of convictions?
The entire illicit business practises deal with Microsoft, for me
personally, is just moot. What I strive for, is a world where people
realize that Windows is just a kernel and Win32 just another API, and a
lousy one at it. It is the stubborn people who don't seem to want to
understand that there are more choices beyond Microsoft that I want to
change. You are a Linux advocate, so you're presumed to be on "my side",
yet you're displaying exactly the qualities in this way of the people I am
opposing when I fight for my convictions. Please don't do that :-)
Cheers,
Pi
--
A mouse is a device used to focus xterms.
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
Date: 21 Oct 2000 11:56:28 GMT
bob@nospam wrote:
> As soon as Linux desktop is fully developed, the masses will move to
> it completely, and only morons like you will be left it using it.
A correction: Linux will probably never be `fully developed'.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
No one wants war.
-- Kirk, "Errand of Mercy", stardate 3201.7
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Linux security? It's been a busy week.
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:16:21 GMT
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:28:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
|Old news.
|
|The patch was released in August and it pales in comparison to all of
|the vulnerabilities released in just the last week for Linux.
Released in August, but for a *different* problem, and apparently solved this one
as well. But the old problem wasn't as serious, so the patch wasn't widely installed.
The new problem allows code to be run and access to any file on the same disk.
Lets look at the "Linux" problems that make this pale in comparison.
The advisoies cover:
gnupg, php, traceroute, curl, fingerd, xpdf, LPRng, muh, apache, cfengine,
ping, ypbind/client, and gnorpm
gnupg: Not Linux specific, they even have versions for Windows.
Does this count as a Windows faults as well? Where is Microsoft's
advisory?
Only affectes security of email messages.
php: Also not Linux specific. And again, Windows versions had the
same vulnerability.
Allowed execution of remote code.
traceroute: Local user can gain root. Remote users need to get local access first.
curl: Allowed execution of code. I don't know what curl does
so I don't know how widespread this is. My install of RedHat
does not include curl.
fingerd: A FreeBSD advisory.
xpdf: Another FreeBSD advisory.
LPRng: Another FreeBSD advisory. Some Linux distributions include LPRng.
RedHat had patches out on Oct 5th.
muh: Another FreeBSD advisory. Some IRC server vulnerability, I think,
that allows remote code execution. Not installed with RedHat 7.0
apache: Not Linux specific. Again, they have an NT port as well.
Only applies to a specific module that needs to be configured.
Not in use by every apache server.
cfengine: Advisory says this is a network config programming language.
Advisory says this is in the Mandrake distribution.
My RedHat dosn't have it.
ping: Fixed some minor problems. No possible exploit mentioned.
ypbind: (client) An old version of ypbind has problems when run in
debug mode. Recent distrubutions probably use the new version
already.
gnorpm: graphical RPM installer could be made to overwrite files.
Commandline version is apparently OK.
If Microsoft included all the windows versions of the software that most
Linux versions include, you'd see a lot of these adviories with Microsoft's
name on them as well.
|On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:18:54 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
|<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|>
|><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|>> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/vuln-newsletter.html
|>>
|>>
|>> Better get going Linonuts.
|>> It's going to be a busy week.
|>>
|>> claire
|>
|>Perhaps you want to deal with this one before looking for linux problems:
|>
|>http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO52573_NLTam%2C00.
|>html
|>
|>
|> Les Mikesell
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|>
|>
|
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
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a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:21:57 -0500
Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
< HUGE snip >
Does Microsoft pay by the word or something? You posted this same enormous
article three times.
Maybe MS won't notice. :)
jwb
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World?
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:24:17 -0400
"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8srrvj$ikm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> As far as I understood it, NT 4 workstation supports 2 CPUs, server
supports
> 4 or more. For W2K, the workstation version ("professional", IIRC)
supports
> only 1 unless you are upgrading a dual-processor NT4 workstation to w2k.
Then you understood it wrong.
--
Nik Simpson
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:27:19 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Nik Simpson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Mike Byrns in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> [...]
> >> >Of course USENET existed. It was one of the first applications of
> >ARPANET after
> >> >email. It predates TCP/IP.
> >>
> >> USENET predates APRANET, as well, or is at least contemporaneous.
> >> USENET is a descendant of UUCP-based bulletin board systems, which did
> >> not use ARPANET, but dial-up lines.
> >
> >Here's a clue Max, look up the dates for the first ARPANET nodes and then
> >look up the dates for the first implementation of UUCP.
>
> Here's something more than a clue, Nik: Dates aren't relevant to the
> statement.
When you state that "USENET predates APRANET, as well, or is at least
contemporaneous." dates certainly are relevant. Since one started in the
late 60's and being generous the other started in the late 70s it's hard to
see how you can make that statement, perhaps you'd care to explain it in
more detail for the historically challenged.
--
Nik Simpson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:10:20 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>main problem with it is that its output (lyx and latex) is not
>accepted by any of the scientific journals to which I could
>conceivably publish. They all accept word, wordperfect, wordstar,
>pdf. SOME accept simple ascii text, which lyx/latex can handle,
>but not a single one will accept latex or lyx format documents.
would pdftext be able to handle lyx output? if not, how difficult
would it be to make it?
> ...
hs
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: memory WHINING!
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:40:41 -0500
Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It's a command line argument for the kernal
> >
> > boot: linux mem=256M
> >
> > There's your fucking answer, now quit whining.
> >
> > read the man page on lilo.conf, and insert it there as well.
> >
> > and remember...STOP WHINING!
>
> Hey. In the words of The Terminator, "Fuck you, asshole." :-)
>
> Why don't I have to pass those cryptic kernel parms to any Windows box?
Or fuck
> with man pages? Becuase it's BETTER.
>
Hey Mike. When Linux encounters a system where it doesn't see all the
memory, I can add a line of text to a startup file to take care of it.
But Windows is only seeing 3 gigs of my 8 gig hard drive. Please tell me
how to fix that.
Thanks in advance.
jwb
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From: Tired O'Shills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:47:31 -0700
It's funny to see you harping about my identity after all your prior crap about
the right to anonymity. Gee, you're both a liar AND a hypocrite. What a
surprise. Not.
Go back and read your MS shill's handbook, FUD-boy. The proper tactic is to deny
the meaning of the quote, not the quote itself, as Ballmer demonstrated in the
Langa article.
Simon Cooke wrote:
> "Tired O'Shills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > As predicted, FUD-boy wimps out.
>
> Nyah nyah nyah... can't hear you. Bleurghhhhh!!!! *rasp*
>
> > In case there's anyone who honestly doesn't know, Fred Langa has written
> columns
> > for Windows Magazine, Information week, Byte, Popular Computing, and
> others. He
> > was (is?) editorial director for Windows Magazine, prior to that he was
> the
> > editor-in-chief for Byte magazine, and before that, editor of Popular
> Computing.
> >
> > You've heard of at least some of these, right Simon? Fred is no Microsoft
> > basher, just ask anyone who actually knows something about the computer
> scene.
> >
> > But, then, I guess we can't compare Fred's veracity with Simon Cooke's,
> who,
> > after all, worked for Microsoft for, what was it again? Oh yeah, something
> like
> > 8 months. Tell me Simon, if you did a search and found this article, why
> do you
> > have to ask who Fred Langa is? Why hide this source if you knew about it?
> No
> > need to answer, I know why.
>
> Why didn't you provide the source? Your proof -- you provide the source.
>
> Again, I repeat IT'S ONE SINGLE REFERENCE. I found NO other references
> offering 'proof'. Surely with as oft quoted a phrase as "DOS ain't done till
> Lotus won't run", SOMEBODY would have other proof?
>
> > But, Fred is, after all, only one source. Here's another. In the book
> "Hard
> > Drive", by James Wallace & Jim Erickson, in the chapter titled "Growing
> Pains",
> > the same quote is reported from another source. Also, details of problems
> > encountered by Lotus 1-2-3 are provided. That's two sources. Way more than
> the
> > "one SHRED of proof" you asked for. But I won't hold my breath waiting for
> you
> > to honor your word.
>
> Really? Well, I guess I'd better get a hold of that book and read it. Unless
> you'd like to provide the quote -- preferably with page numbers and
> references. That's the way you REPORT SOURCE MATERIAL YOU IDIOT.
>
> NOTE: That quote has been quoted by well more than two sources. That doesn't
> make it true.
>
> > Again, Simon, your denials are just bullshit. I knew you would excrete
> some hand
> > waving twaddle to weasel out of your challenge, so it's no surprise to see
> you
> > renege. No amount of evidence will ever be sufficient for you, as you see
> no
> > truth, hear no truth and speak no truth.
>
> Oh dear. I'm being insulted by an anonymous COWARD. Oh, my heart bleeds.
>
> How about you explain why only one person on the planet seems to have
> 'proof'.
>
> Heck, while you're at it, why not tell me who you are?
>
> If not, bye bye. I don't have to talk to people who don't have the courage
> to stand behind their insults.
>
> Simon
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:26:04 +0200
"Brian V. Smith" wrote:
>
> |> authomatic changer)
>
> Do you mean "transmission"?
> What the heck is a "de-multiplication relationship"? Do you mean gears?
>
THAT IS!!!!
--
SALUD,
Jesús
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great.
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:08:40 -0500
James E. Freedle II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:N%MH5.8704$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Actually the probably keep erasing the folders that the applications were
> installed in. I have been using Windows and Office for years, and it has
not
> yet once crashed the system. I have more problems at work, because
somebody
> in the IR department really does not know what they are doing, and
therefore
> keeps doing something stupid to screw up Windows. I am sure that if they
are
> having problems with their Windows machines, it is because some IR person
> that like Linux, it messing up Windows and trying to get the company to
use
> Linux instead of Windows.
I have no idea what is causing your problems at work. I also have no idea
what is causing my problems witn Office 2000 at home. I installed it a week
or so ago and have been using it to help my son with a school project.
Twice in one night (Wednesday night, I think), my entire system locked up
tighter than a drum while I was trying to type in Word. Couldn't Alt-Tab to
another program (there was nothing else running). Couldn't even
CTRL-ALT-DEL to try to kill the process. Frozen solid. Had to kill power
both times and start over. The third time I got smart and saved my work
every couple of minutes, but for whatever reason, it didn't crash that time.
Finally got a printout.
jwb
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