Linux-Advocacy Digest #878, Volume #29 Fri, 27 Oct 00 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Steve Mading)
Toyota FIRES Microsoft! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS Hacked? ("MH")
Re: Toyota FIRES Microsoft! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: MS Hacked? ("MH")
Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE (Steve Mading)
Re: What I don't like about RedHat Linux. (Steve Mading)
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: MS Hacked? (mlw)
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: MS Hacked? (sfcybear)
Re: MS Hacked? (Charlie Ebert)
Linux for the Desktop (goldhammer goldhammer)
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Toyota FIRES Microsoft! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: MS Hacked? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux (sfcybear)
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:18:22 GMT
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2645534,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
Finally Oracle releases benchmarks proving Linux outperforms
anything Microsoft has.
Microsoft's response is to pull license agreement
stipulating "NO BENCHMARKS MAY BE PUBLISHED
WITHOUT THEIR PRIOR APPROVAL".
Now that sounds like an open and honest contest.
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 28 Oct 2000 00:17:37 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8tct34$8g4
:> Wrong. I agree that both can be done with the same high-level calls,
:> but once you percolate down to the low-level code of the GDI, they
:> are not the same anymore at that point. The whole point behind
:> putting the GDI in the kernel is to reduce kernel/user mode swaps.
:> But such swapping is ONLY needed if you are doing something protected
:> like talking to the video hardware. If you are still operating at
:> the level where printing and video are the same, then that means
:> you are still operating in the area where everything cab be done
:> just as fast in user mode - all you are doing at that point is still
:> mathematical virtual stuff.
: Not true. In < NT 4, GDI and USER ran as seperate applications, which
: required a kernel mode swap to switch between the current application to the
: scheduler to schedule the new process, then a switch back to user mode for
: the GDI/USER to do it's job and return the result, then a switch back to
: kernel mode then a switch back to user for the calling program to get the
: results.
: This has nothing to do with accessing hardware (although when accessing the
: video hardware yet another kernel mode swap was required to access the
: kernel mode portions of the video driver).
Huh? I always thought the whole point to putting the GDI in the
kernel was because of hardware access - no need to switch modes
to get at "protected" calls. Otherwise there's no reason at all
for it and Windows is even more screwy than I thought. If it
was simply a matter of the context switch overhead of two processes
talking to each other, then those two processes could have been
combined into one while still keeping them as userland processes.
Incedentally, in Unix a context switch is pretty fast. It has to be
since even a workstation-style setup typically has 20-30 processes
running before even anyone logs in. It gets even bigger when talking
about a machine running lots of server-type things.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Toyota FIRES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:20:46 GMT
http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/corporate/press/pressoffice_us_2000-06-20-rr-000.html
The largest car company in the world,
Toyota, kicked out Microsoft in favor on Linux.
Thanks to Dell Computer corporation.
I like DELL, don't you!
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:04:06 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You leftists are ALWAYS using "laudable goals" to excuse DESTRUCTIVE RESULTS.
>
> While you right-wingers are proud of being Evil People?
I'm a Libertarian.
Right-wingers are socialist assholes, just like you left-wingers.
Libertarianism is ANTITHETICAL to socialism in any form, fatass shit-for-brains.
>
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:22:42 -0400
> I have seen the quality of Microsoft code first hand. I worked at
> Turning Point Software, when they were doing a contract for Microsoft. I
> was the Windows archetect for the products that eventually became
> Creative Writer and Fine Artist.
I'm not going to dispute whether what you claim is true. I don't have the
time nor patience to do so. I do, however, find it difficult to believe
that someone who claims to have been an architect can't spell architect.
That is not an attack, it is a fact. A reasonable conclusion that anyone
would come to, I might add.
> The stuff is near to impossible to read because of the virulent use of
> Hungarian notation. A practice which has a place, in moderation.
Hungarian notation has nothing to do with the quality of source code. If it
makes the collaboration of 100's of programmers lives easier by having a
common grammar, then so be it. This does not support your claim one iota.
> > Let he who can post his source for his best program here and now, lay
waste
> > by way of comparison to the code of any MS application in use today. Let
us
> > see the code, hot-shots.
> I can not post my best source, because it belongs to people who have
> paid me. I have posted, peridically, and in various places, non-trivial
> code from time to time.
I don't doubt that you have. Still, I find it suspect when someone who
claims to write code for a living attempts to discredit the work of others
without providing tangible credenitals. And again, you misspelled a key word
in your statement. I hope you take more time with your client's code than
you do your posts here.
> > Put up or shut up.
> I do not have to "put up" for you. I have paid my dues and my opinions
> of Microsoft are from first hand experience. Should you disagree with my
> opinions, feel free. As for sutting up, I don't think so.
For me? Of course you don't. --"put up or shut up" is a figure of speech,
as you well know.
If you can live with making disparaging opinions of other's work with
nothing but lip service to back it up, fine. I don't think it lends weight
to any of your arguments to do so, however.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Toyota FIRES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:22:17 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/corporate/press/pressoffice_us_2000-06-20-rr-000.html
>
> The largest car company in the world,
> Toyota, kicked out Microsoft in favor on Linux.
>
> Thanks to Dell Computer corporation.
>
> I like DELL, don't you!
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
Whoops!
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/06/20/2041255.shtml
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:21:56 GMT
You have a point, the Linux kernel was initially released with a ton of bugs
and holes (just like Windows 95) but I think this thread is pointing out the
fact that the delayed kernel is just a reminder at just how immature the
Linux platform is.
Personally, I think that this delaying the kernel thing is great, it allows
new features (and old ones) to be even more thoroughly tested before "big
release day" when all the distro makers go off on their orgy of publishing
their latest releases.
But I also know that this delay will cool down the Linux bandwagon,
hopefully to the point where someone wakes up and decides to make Linux a
real computing platform (and not a duck-tape mess of UNIX ideas like it is
now).
I think that the delay will weed out the distro makers with lousy products
(and no support) leaving only distro makers with true intentions of making
an OS, not "making a quick buck off a cute penguin".
Most importantly, it'll get the community thinking about non-kernel
enhancements that are desperately needed in Linux (like a single, freaking
standard).
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8tcvvr$8g4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : But I thought OSS software was supposed to be superior in all regards.
> : Shouldn't a reasonable expectation be that it ships on time?
>
> : Also, considering that most of the functionality in the 2.4 kernel is
catch-up
> : to NT and other OSes that have had most of it as a basic part of the OS
> : for years now, it's kind of embarassing that they're spending all this
> : time just to get up to today's level of expectations. Compaq's anger
> : is justified.
>
> Bullshit. With linux kernels, the not-quite-prefect-yet development
> versions are available almost realtime, as they are built. There
> is no such thing as a code "freeze". The decision to slap a new
> label on the work in progress and call it a new version is totally
> arbitrary. The only difference between OSS and CSS in this regard
> is that in OSS the public can see it happening out in the open,
> and in CSS it happens behing closed doors. If you wanted a verson
> of the linux kernal that was just as buggy as Win95 was when it
> first was realeased, you could have had that ages ago - it was
> available for download. What's taking so long in 2.4 is merely
> the process of swatting "just one more bug" before calling it
> complete. Since the linux kernals are always available publicly,
> even before they are stable, there's no point to hurrying up for
> the sake of "shipping" something on time. If you want what's
> there now, you can already get it today. This means that there's
> no reason to lie and claim the product is "done" like there was
> in the Windows 95 initial release (which was not really fully
> ready yet, note the large number of service packs that were
> released afterward.)
>
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:26:23 -0400
Now, who is it that needs therapy again?
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8tcnhb$7se$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 3 MONTHS????? WOW!
>
>
>
> In article <8tbp20$clh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Could the source code get out somehow, or is this just a hoax?
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993933.stm
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 challenges GNOME/KDE
Date: 28 Oct 2000 00:22:48 GMT
James E. Freedle II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:>
:> gcc. Handy if one needs a C/C++ compiler
: Sounds like a winner there, but what version of C/C++, ANSI?
Which version depends on if you have GNU gcc or egcs gcc.
Both do old K&R C, ISO C (It's not called Ansii C anymore),
and C++, but the egcs version has a better implementation of
templates for C++, and a better STL.
:>
:> xbill. A popular game among Linux sysadmins. The object of the game, to
:> stop bill from converting your network to toasters.
: Actually pretty fun.
It's humorous, but boring. I had a lot of fun laughing the first
few times I played it, but it doesn't hold interest very long to
play a game that amounts to just seeing how fast you can click on
moving sprites.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I don't like about RedHat Linux.
Date: 28 Oct 2000 00:27:44 GMT
Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:> If I drop out to the prompt between step 1 and 2, the fdisk hasn't
:> really happened yet - it just asked me the questions, but didn't carry
:> out the action yet.
: Actually, if you choose to use fdisk instead of the GUI for partitioning, you
: can get to it beforehand. At least with RH up to 6.2 you could... I know
: because I have.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try to remember that for next time.
I just thought of something else that would work - drop to the
prompt and do the fdisk, mkfs, and link setup *before* getting to
the partition part of the install - then it will give me the option
of just installing on top of the existing filesystem it sees there.
(Of course then I have to make my links all be relative, since
at install time the drive will be under the /mnt directory and
all the root-level paths won't work yet - I have to link from
/mnt/opt/ to ../usr/optdir instead of /usr/optdir for example, but
that should work okay.)
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:31:25 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2645534,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
>
> Finally Oracle releases benchmarks proving Linux outperforms
> anything Microsoft has.
>
> Microsoft's response is to pull license agreement
> stipulating "NO BENCHMARKS MAY BE PUBLISHED
> WITHOUT THEIR PRIOR APPROVAL".
>
> Now that sounds like an open and honest contest.
>
http://platforms.oracle.com/linux/
Oracle Claims to have 15 million Linux users
world wide. Humm....
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:34:32 -0400
MH wrote:
>
> I don't put myself in the company of the extremely talented and dedicated
> programmers that work for companies such as MS, or even an open source
> provider such as KDE.
>
> I may state from time to time that a piece of software that I use -IMHO- is
> worse than a competitors product. Example - I say all the time that NN for
> the linux platform is terrible compared to NN for windows, or I.E. But I
> don't say that the work done by the coders is a joke. I would never be so
> presumptuous. I've written enough "trivial" applications that I have an idea
> of what is involved in commercial quality software. I'm in awe of the
> individuals that work to make that happen. This isn't the same thing as
> claiming that if I was to "see" the code for MS's products that it would "be
> a good laugh."
It would, in fact, be a very good laugh.
>
> That's a joke, and if you're going to make that sort of statement, then
> you'd better be able to back it up.
What is in question is the presumption that you would, or even could,
apply your particular value system to someone other than yourself.
I have every right to laugh, as much or as little, as I want at anything
regardless of your sensibilities.
And as for rights, I need none.
However, I have worked for Microsoft as a contractor (Turning point
Software), I have worked with Microsoft (Sytron Corp), and have dealt
with Microsoft on various occasions as a DOS/Windows/NT app/device
developer.
>From the source I have seen from them, it is crap. I would love Windows
code to come public so the world can see. I would laugh, and laugh well.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:35:39 GMT
Another story, unposted.
Maybe someone with an ounce of journalistic integrity is going around and
(gasp) removing these false articles?
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Microsoft has admitted to the German public with this ad
> that Linux is superior and a super threat to Microsoft.
>
> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-21-017-06-NW-CY-MS
>
>
> I found it interesting that they actually spent money
> on this one. Who was their Ad man?
>
> Why is a guy like Bill Gates who practically owns the world
> even worried about Linux? I mean, Windows is at least
> 10 times the size of the Linux user base. At least.
>
> Would you panic and spend money on an ad against an
> opponent which was probably 1/20th your size as a company?
>
> You know, Solaris has taken a beating from Linux and they
> never ran even one ad against Linux.
>
>
>
> Charlie
>
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:32:22 GMT
In article <8td551$3vv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't put myself in the company of the extremely talented and
dedicated
> programmers that work for companies such as MS, or even an open source
> provider such as KDE.
That much is very clear.
>
> I may state from time to time that a piece of software that I use
-IMHO- is
> worse than a competitors product. Example - I say all the time that NN
for
> the linux platform is terrible compared to NN for windows, or I.E. But
I
> don't say that the work done by the coders is a joke. I would never be
so
> presumptuous. I've written enough "trivial" applications that I have
an idea
> of what is involved in commercial quality software. I'm in awe of the
> individuals that work to make that happen. This isn't the same thing
as
> claiming that if I was to "see" the code for MS's products that it
would "be
> a good laugh."
And what makes you so sure that the person that claimed that is not able
to. YOu threw a lot of aditude in you post.
>
> That's a joke, and if you're going to make that sort of statement,
then
> you'd better be able to back it up.
What That you think something is funny? How would someone prove that
they think something is funny???
>
> When you don't throw stones you don't have anything to prove, now do
you
> Wilbur?
>
Then you must need to prove a lot because you are thowing stons deary
> > Hey Barney! Not so fast. Aren't you forgetting something? Errr,
where's
> > YOUR source, clown boooya?
> >
> > -wt
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:43:51 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
> Could the source code get out somehow, or is this just a hoax?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993933.stm
>
> Stu
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
I wonder why our resident genius is at right now?
OH CHAD!
Microsoft has fallen and can't get up!
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: goldhammer goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux for the Desktop
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:44:55 GMT
JoeX1029 wrote:
> i tend to agree. GNU/Linux was not and is not for the desktop.
That's odd. I use it (and FreeBSD) for the "desktop" and I have few qualms
or complaints about them. In fact, I much prefer something like
Blackbox over the supposedly refined user interface of win98/NT/2K.
I write code in one window, and I write documentation in another window.
For this, a simple non-intrusive, non-distracting window manager
like Blackbox is perfect. I have very few complaints here.
But let's examine what people mean by "desktop". You hear this
word often but it implies many different contexts.
1. Desktop = workstation. What is meant here is that the nix box isn't
a headless server. In this context, GNU/Linux distros are quite ready to
be desktops. At any given moment, I have anywhere from 5-15 windows
open, reading mail, writing code, writing LaTeX documentation, reading /.
reading usenet, etc. Sometimes I have to perform a specific computation, so
I fire up Octave or R, and save the results to file. Everything works
seamlessly, and I would seriously resist having to go back to a supposedly
better "desktop" environment like MS Windows.
2. Desktop = "integrated" office suite. Now here you are in different
waters. Some people simply equate "office suite = desktop" and
"no office suite = no desktop". However, there is perhaps a perceived
misconception about these so-called integrated office suites. Speaking
from personal experience, I recall one engineering firm where each head
was given a MS office licence. As it turned out, the only thing they used
it for was:
1. writing up some documents
2. doing some excel calculations.
Most of them gradually migrated to MikTeX for documentation and
to MathCAD for calcs. In the end, the investment in multiple MS Office
licenses was a colossal waste of money. Nothing these engineers did
relied on the "integrated" aspect of the suite. In fact, they could have
done their work with MS Word 2 and an early version of Lotus.
3. Desktop = something designed for the Completely Clueless Idiot (CCI).
This is the predominant perception of what a desktop should be. But I have
to object to this. I am not a CCI nor are my colleagues. We all use our
computers in the desktop context, but we do not need to be treated
as CCI.s There is a huge market for non-idiots. Not everyone is an idiot
and not everyone needs an idiotic desktop specification courtesy of MS.
And not everyone needs to pay money for huge, "feature" saturated yet
mostly worthless "office suites" starring chatty paperclip cartoon
characters.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:45:15 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2645534,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
> >
> > Finally Oracle releases benchmarks proving Linux outperforms
> > anything Microsoft has.
> >
> > Microsoft's response is to pull license agreement
> > stipulating "NO BENCHMARKS MAY BE PUBLISHED
> > WITHOUT THEIR PRIOR APPROVAL".
> >
> > Now that sounds like an open and honest contest.
> >
>
> http://platforms.oracle.com/linux/
>
> Oracle Claims to have 15 million Linux users
>
> world wide. Humm....
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
Let's share this with the Microsoft people.
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Toyota FIRES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:46:02 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/corporate/press/pressoffice_us_2000-06-20-rr-000.html
> >
> > The largest car company in the world,
> > Toyota, kicked out Microsoft in favor on Linux.
> >
> > Thanks to Dell Computer corporation.
> >
> > I like DELL, don't you!
> >
> > --
> > Charlie
> >
> > By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> > LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
>
> Whoops!
> http://slashdot.org/articles/00/06/20/2041255.shtml
Click on this link to take you to the one for Dell.
>
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
Let's share this with our fellow Microsoft fans.
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:47:34 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> > Could the source code get out somehow, or is this just a hoax?
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993933.stm
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> I wonder why our resident genius is at right now?
>
> OH CHAD!
>
> Microsoft has fallen and can't get up!
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:43:27 GMT
In article <HBnK5.1773$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <and then depression set in....>
>
> I finished assessing Linux. I don't think Linux has any magic answers
> for the PC industry. Its strengths are offset by inertial forces
beyond
> its control, i.e. Microsoft.
What makes you so sure that MS is not the one that is going to be at the
mercy of foces beyond it's control, ie Linux?
Commercial support goes first to Windows,
> second to Linux.
???? What the hell are you saying? ??? IBH offers commrecial support for
linux.
>
> I think the most interesting thing about Linux nowadays is actually
the
> marketing of it, which is an odd thing to say about "the hacker's OS."
> As a networked server OS it seems to have growing strength against
> Microsoft. This is the big market that drives its progress, it's
where
> all the real IHV and commercial support is coming from.
Yes if it has not done so, Linux is about ready to overtake MS in the
server market.
>
> Computer enthusiasts are the smaller market, the ones who want
They are the trend setters and the peole who other people go to for
advice! I advise Linux now.
> "something more efficient than Windows to play Quake." This is why
> certain 3D cards like NVIDIA are supported.
So, you know what goes on in the minds of people at XFree??? Never mind
that the windows croud claims that Linux is a lousy game platform!!! So
which is it?
It gives me a good reason
> to port a game someday, after I've finished one on Windows. The
> enthusiast market may be small, but there's little competition.
Rather
> much like writing games for the Mac.
>
> But both in terms of marketing and technology, I see no future for
Linux
> as a mass-market,
Other than the fact that it will become cheaper to manufacture PC's with
linux as an OS Thus the entry level PC's for the lower income will move
to linux as the embeded market has already!
consumer-friendly OS. There, I've stated the obvious.
The only thing that is obvious is that your logic is flawed.
> It's been true since the inception of the system, nothing has changed
in
> that regard,
In what regard>>>
and nothing will change. Linux culture is fundamentally
> "roll your own." As such, it would be useful as an Internet game
server
> someday.
Never mind that it is extreamly useful as a web server platform today!
But that's just a "kewl" idea until I'm actually ready to
> pursue such a thing.
>
> Every 2 years I poke my head up and see where Linux is at. Time to
fall
> asleep again. :-)
YOu were awake???
>
> I think I'll post this to comp.os.linux.advocacy just to watch the
> fireworks.
>
> Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
> Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
>
>
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