Linux-Advocacy Digest #878, Volume #32 Sun, 18 Mar 01 22:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (GreyCloud)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Michael Vester)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Brent R)
Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Edwin)
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Jim Naylor)
Re: which distribution? (omitted)
Re: Humbled (Michael Vester)
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Edwin)
Re: the truth about linux (Brent R)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:00:48 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >
> > > > J Sloan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Martel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17679.html>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > German armed forces ban MS software, citing NSA snooping
> > > > > > By: John Lettice
> > > > > > Posted: 17/03/2001 at 18:59 GMT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The German foreign office and Bundeswehr are pulling the
> > > > > > plugs on Microsoft software, citing security concerns,
> > > > > > according to the German news magazine Der Spiegel.
> > > > > > Spiegel claims that German security authorities suspect that
> > > > > > the US National Security Agency (NSA) has 'back door'
> > > > > > access to Microsoft source code, and can therefore easily
> > > > > > read the Federal Republic's deepest secrets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Bundeswehr will no longer use American software ... on
> > > > > > computers used in sensitive areas..."
> > > > >
> > > > > This makes me quite proud of my German ancestry.
> > > > >
> > > > > j
> > > > To all... no one is safe from NSA's equipment! Go ahead and encrypt
> > > > ... you can't hide anything from those guys. They are a very scary
> > > > organization!
> > >
> > > That's what THEY WANT you to think.
> > >
> > > The truth is less fearsome.
> >
> > I used to work for them. I know. They make their own chips for their
> > own computer designs. Believe me, even if you shred a document they
> > have ways to put it back together again. Their custom computers can
> > decrypt any message that uses current encryption schemes and do it in 3
> > seconds, where it would take a Pentium III several thousand years to
> > do. But they also rely on more proven tactics to get information...
> > spying, electronic eavesdropping or outright theft! If one is on their
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > target list your screwed. Then if you think that your are secure in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> True.
>
> The key all comes down to psychology.
>
> One, they canNOT sift through and evaluate EVERY communication which
> takes place.
>
> Two...wanna really screw them up... take a stream of random-data...
> change the seed at frequent, random intervals. Send it out.
Its an old trick and they know about it, and its easy for them.
> Let them go nuts trying to decrypt it.
>
> > your office and think you are free to discuss in private they will hear
> > you using their technology. Believe me, no one can hide from them once
> > they are on your trail. Before they hired me I had to go thru a two
> > week battery of psyhcological testing. They are very thourough. I saw
> > one gal run out of these tests only after 2 hours crying. Its a very
> > deep and probing test and its scary. Back in the 60's and early 70's it
> > used to be called No Such Agency. Harry Truman started the agency back
> > in the late 40's.
>
> Yeah, i'm familiar with that.
>
> But the key to intimidation is getting people to *believe* in an
> all-seeing entity which, in reality, is not even close to omniscient.
Quite true. This agency is more concerned for the National Security in
its own right.
And to keep in the know they listen to other countries communications.
Patterns develop when something serious crops up and they know what to
do in these cases. They've always watched and listened but you never
hear them doing anything about it. Its always the lower agencies that
seem to do all of the dirty work. One guy in the FBI didn't believe
their capabilities either until he found out the hard way. I don't
think that agency has any compassion for anybody.
> Basically, they can study you if they decide to study you.
>
> Big deal. There are 290 Million people in the US alone. You've
> gotta do something fairly obvious to attract their attention.
>
They use other methods. But true, they can't monitor every e-mail or
every phone call and filter for keywords. I would rather not be their
focus of attention. One worker managed to get their attention and was
fired. The only job he could get is over in Yakima, Wa. as an apple
picker.
You've been fair about this. But I think I'll stay off this subject...
I have a pension and they could just as easily take it back.
> >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:06:07 -0700
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Jan Johanson wrote:
> >> > Let's see, Erik wants actual evidence. How about a backdoor placed
> >> > in Microsoft software that allowed users who entered "Netscape programmers
> >> > are weenies" to bypass security in Microsoft's web server software
> >> > and access pretty much anything they wanted.
> >>
> >> Evidence? You call this evidence? What you wrote is complete bullshit and
> >> does not exist in anything but your fantasy.
> >
> >And yet, it is a DOCUMENTED FACT, you blithering idiot.
> >
> >
>
> This is absolutely TRUE. There are SEVERAL back doors
> to Microsoft products. Especially in their OS.
>
> The most famous would be the entire theft of Microsoft XP
> to an unnamed asian power last year from Microsoft HQ in
> Redmond.
>
> This was documented across every newspaper in the Nation
> and the FBI is totally stumped.
>
> Anyone who TRUSTS Microsoft for THEIR business needs is
> a CLUELESS ASSHOLE.
>
> I think that say's it very well. A CLUELESS ASSHOLE...
>
> Now that WE'VE KNOWN MICROSOFT XP HAS BEEN STOLEN for
> over 6 months now, I PREDICTED THEN that it would
> take the CLUELESS ASSHOLE BUSINESS FLABS almost an
> entire YEAR to recognize the FACT that MICROSOFT IS
> A DESPERATE SECURITY THREAT TO EVERYONE WHO USES THE
> CRAP!
>
> CLEARLY RAW FACTS ARE NOT ENOUGH FOR THESE IDIOTIC
> PEOPLE. THEY MUST BE FUCKED BEFORE THEY CAN LEARN.
>
> I find it totally amazing that people pay million dollar
> plus budgets expenditures on Microsoft material when
> Linux is totally FREE. It's utterly fucking amazing
> to watch them do this year after year after year and
> still manage to keep their jobs.
>
> And with the stock market in the shape it is in today,
> IT IS MY SINCERE WISH THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
> OF EVERY MAJOR COMPANY WITHIN PLANET EARTH COMMITTE
> A PURGE OF STUPID FUCKING WINTROL IDIOTS AND THEIR
> HABBETS THIS GOD DAM YEAR!
>
> It's astonomically silly that I'm actually having to
> type this message. AMAZING!!!!
>
> American business's are supposed to be the TIGERS
> of the MARKET.
>
> But instead the American Business man is a fucking
> painted ass sheep who waits for death! An appliance
> operator hell if I've ever seen one!
>
> Can these fucking people do nothing for themselves?
> Are they so god dam lame that everything they have
> to use MUST COME WITH A MICROSOFT SEAL OF APPROVAL
> before they will know what they are to use it for?
>
> HAVE YOU BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR STEERING YOUR BUSINESS
> DOWN THIS MONOPOLISTIC FUCKHOLE OF DESTRUCTION????
>
> WHY????
>
> STOCKHOLDERS! PUT A BOOT TO THEIR FUCKING BUTTHOLES
> AND GET THIS SHIT OUT OF HERE! GET IT OUT OF HERE NOW!
>
> Jeezus Christ people!
>
> Don't any of you have any God Dam brains at all!!
>
> Charlie
>
>
I agree with you %100.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:11:23 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Well, they are claiming ther are backdoors without any real evidence.
> > That
> > > > means they're believing what they hear, rather than what they know to be
> > > > fact.
> > >
> > > How can one be sure with closed source software? One has to depend on
> > various
> > > news reports, because one can not inspect the source.
> >
> > You've never heard of a disassembler? It's not uncommon for people to
> > disassemble huge parts of OS's to prove such things. The license agreement
> > isn't valid if it's used to cover up illegal behavior, so the no-disassembly
> > clause would not be an issue.
>
> The Microsoft EULA specifically prohibits this.
>
> So, you are suggesting that the only way to trust a Microsoft system
> is to violate your license agreement.
>
> Thank you for that telling admission, dumbfuck.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
For some reason I had re-download my newsgroups and I forgot to killfile
you. Thanks for reminding me why I did it in the first place.
*re-plonk*
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: 19 Mar 2001 02:17:14 GMT
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Pete Goodwin wrote:
:> I could, but it immediately crashed again. In fact, anything with a KDE
:> style edit control would crash: Konqueror, KMail etc.
:>
: That cuts it, you installed KDE 2.1 incorrectly. I am running 2.1 and have zero
: problems with the edit controls.
: Unless you really, really know what you are doing, you should use the KDE that
: comes with your distro.
That may be true in the general case, but, at least with respect to
Linux-Mandrake (which Pete Goodwin and I both use), I tried it both
ways. and had far better luck compiling from source.
Like most C++ code, KDE does take some time to compile. But the end
result works great on my LM 7.2 system (except for artsbuilder, which
has never worked on this box, but which honestly I haven't taken the
time to try to study and find out why).
Joe
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From: Edwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:48:53 -0600
"John C. Randolph" wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9933mv$4gc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [crossposted]
> > >
> > > Look, I have no particular hatred of Microsoft,
> > > but this is bullshit.
> > >
> > > First, we have this:
> > >
> > > http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=3550576
> > > http://www.mikekraus.de/lol.jpg
> > >
> > > Then we have this:
> > >
> > > http://xbox.ign.com/news/32476.html
> > >
> > > Now, is there any mention of it on xbox.com?
> > >
> > > http://www.xbox.com:/News/
> > >
> > > Golly gee whiz, no.
> > >
> > > I'll defend WindowsNT where it's warranted, and I'll
> > > attempt to debunk statements that I think are untrue,
> > > but this sort of crap is inexcusable, and it looks like
> > > Microsoft is resorting to lying yet again, merely to boost
> > > sales. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
> >
> > So basically, some moron posts a lie to a message board,
> > and suddenly it's news and suddenly it's fact.
>
> He didn't lie, fool.
>
> read this:
>
> http://xbox.ign.com/news/32476.html
>
> MicroSquish admitted it.
>
> -jcr
Here's what they "admitted" to:
"Some of the images for Amped released during Gamestock were
enhanced to illustrate some features that will be in the
final
product. While this is a common practice for games so
early in
development, we apologize for the confusion. No one
intended to
be deceptive. Everyone was so busy prepping for
Gamestock, that
we just missed the fact that these were labeled "concept
art".
Frankly, we're impressed with the skillz of those
digital
sleuths! Nice work!""
" The version shown at GameStock featured identical
terrain as the
shots, but the boarder models were of much lower
quality.
Basically they took the real-time snow that is used in
the game
and added a new boarder model and a HUD to it. "
End quote.
There's no "lying" going on at all. I've seen protypes from other game
companies. This is common practice.
Edwin
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From: Jim Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: 19 Mar 2001 02:57:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
There's no "lying" going on at all. I've seen
protypes from other game companies. This is common practice.
>
> Edwin
"I have never outrightly lied on this group
in spite of whatever you think to the contrary.
Alright I lied. But except in the case of
Macsbug and DONK nobody had me dead to rights.
I lied. So sue me." -- EdWIN Thorne
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (omitted)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: which distribution?
Date: 19 Mar 2001 02:56:07 GMT
>Which is better Mandrake 7.2, Corel Linux original version or Redhat 6.2?
avoid corel, as it's a dying dist.
>Which supports the most hardware?
they are all about the same.
>which comes with the most software with it
they are all about the same (and contain more than you will ever use).
m.
--
._ ._ ._ ._
_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Humbled
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:50:04 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Michael Vester wrote:
> >
> > mlw wrote:
> > >
> > > mlw wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is all smoke and mirrors. Truth be told, we are all jr high school students,
> > > > smoking pot in a basement.
> > >
> > > Wait... I thought someone may take that seriously. A sense of humor can
> > > ricochet if you are not careful. No, I am not in jr. high. I wrote my first
> > > computer program in 1977 on a PDP-8e, punch cards and all.
> > >
> > APL on an IBM 1500, 1972. Fortran on punch cars in 1976.
>
> I got to skip the punch cards.
> :-)
>
> IBM 370, via 300 cps teletype with acoustic-coupled modem.
>
Luxury. I dd not get to use a teletype until my second year as a physics
student in 1977. The APL sessions were my junior highscool math teacher
getting us a weekly two hour session back in 72-3. The APL terminals were
nice. After Algol on a 360 with a teletype grinding numbers for a physics
experiment, I did not get back into computers until I got my cp/m s-100.
I started to work in the IT field with dos and Netware. Getting Linux a
couple years ago was my first exposue to Unix. I regret how much time I
have wasted with the losedos environment.
Now I am working in a Solaris shop making more money than ever. I know
that the skills that I am learning are accumulative. Unix does not go
through a rewrite every few years. The basics like sed, grep and vi are
timeless. Yes, I am even getting to really like vi. I still have the
habit of saving my work every few minutes. Old habits from the losedos
daze. I was never a losedos fan. I have worked my share in tech support
and it is humiliating when the users are upset because losedos has failed
again. I have not worked tech support for almost three years and
hopefully I never will again unless it is in a Linux shop.
<sigs snipped>
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: Edwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:05:56 -0600
Jim Naylor wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> There's no "lying" going on at all. I've seen
> protypes from other game companies. This is common practice.
> >
> > Edwin
>
> "I have never outrightly lied on this group
> in spite of whatever you think to the contrary.
> Alright I lied. But except in the case of
> Macsbug and DONK nobody had me dead to rights.
> I lied. So sue me." -- EdWIN Thorne
Jim Naylor once again trots out his cut-and-paste creation. He wants
to make certain no one will ever mistake him for one who pocesses morals
or ethics.
Edwin
> --
> Jim Naylor
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the truth about linux
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:09:22 GMT
J Sloan wrote:
>
> "Public " wrote:
>
> > Here are some humorous snippets from a site located at
>http://members.aol.com/erichuf/Linux.html
> >
> > Finally! somebody willing to tell the truth!
>
> Nah, just another silly troll....
>
> jjs
And this, Young Jedi, is why you fail. Instead of responding to the
points the article makes, you simply dismiss it and the reader.
Linux will never take off unless it's community of advocates (not
developers, the developers seem pretty nice) is willing to take some
(much-needed) criticism. They need to be:
1) less arrogant
2) less condescending
3) less insecure
4) more open-minded
5) mindful of why Microsoft SUCCEEDS and why they FAIL
In general, I find the Linux community so darn obnoxious and unlikable
(ie. Kulkis), or just plain religious like zealotrous (ie. Charlie
Ebert) at times it actually serves as a deterrant to me using the OS.
Is this flaimbait? Probably, but the truth is the truth.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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