Linux-Advocacy Digest #925, Volume #29 Sun, 29 Oct 00 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Why don't I use Linux? (Gary Hallock)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Ulrich Weigand)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS Hacked? (Gary Hallock)
Re: Why should I keep advocating Linux?
Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:32:16 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Cryptic names are too common on Linux. Does a user know what 'cat' or 'ls'
> or 'grep' or 'pwd' mean? As opposed to 'type', 'dir', 'find'?
>
> And that makes me a "troll"? Sheesh!
>
We've been through this before. The Linux commands actually make sense,
unlike many Windows apps. cat is short for concatenate. ls is short for
list files. You've already been told what grep stands for. pwd is print
working directory. type makes no sense - it implies something will be typed,
not displayed on the screen. dir - well Linux has dir. And at least dir
makes sense on Linux since they are called directories. Windows calls them
folders so why would I want to use something called dir to display them. Why
not fold? Linux has find and it does what it's name implies - finds files.
>
> --
> Pete Goodwin
> ---
> Why don't I use Linux?
> Waiting for Borland to release Delphi.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:22:10 -0500
Matt Kennel wrote:
>
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:29:00 -0700, Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :
> :"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> :news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> :Look at Oracle. You pay for the software by the mhz of the chip you run
> :it
> :> :on .... as if that was any of their f**king business.
> :> :
> :> :Upgrade the processor and pay more money!
> :> :
> :> :Talk about extortion.
> :>
> :> Why? I see no relation.
> :
> :I guess you are blind.
> :
> :> The problem with Microsoft's business practices is that they were
> :intentionally
> :> designed to thwart agreements between the Microsoft client and some other
> :> third software maker by means other than offering a superior product.
> :
> :They were designed to strongly encourage companies that sold hardware to
> :sell only Microsoft software in the same way GM, Ford, and Chrysler strongly
> :encouraged franchisees to only sell cars made by the company that sold them
> :the franchise.
>
> But of course the automakers do not have market power to make a big
> difference, because I see lots of franchises offering multiple
> competing marques owned by different companies.
It was not always the case. The automanufacturers USED TO do the
same thing Microsoft does--punish any dealer who dared to sell
product from another manufacturer.
They went to court, Federal Judge ruled that it was OBSTRUCTION OF TRADE.
What is the difference between that and what Microsoft does?
>
> And automobiles are a free market with very low costs for competitive
> substitution on the part of consumers {essentially the convenience of
> the service bay to one's home is about it}, and do not have technical
> features that govern the construction of major add-on parts of large
> economic significance.
And this is different for operating systems in what way, exactly?
>
> --
> * Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
> *
> * "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
> * Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 29 Oct 2000 17:37:18 -0600
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Relax wrote:
> >
> > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > [x86 fairly slow context switching]
> >
> > > (another reason why W2K can't make a
> > > great server--poor hardware)
> >
> > >, whereas (again, IIRC) SPARCS are much
> > > faster.
> >
> > Apparently, people testing database speed found otherwise. Currently,
the
> > fastest 64 CPU, $48M SPARC based computer holds the 9th rank while an
Intel
>
> I was talking about context switching speed. Not outright integer speed.
>
> > based computer, for 1/4 of that price, goes more than three times
faster.
> > Incidentally, Intel based computers running Windows 2000 currently hold
the
> > top four positions. Even if the benchmark is crap etc etc, CPU context
> > switch doesn't seems to have such a dramatic effect on final server
> > performances.
>
> If you have 10,000 users on at once context switch speed becomes one of
> the most importent things.
Sure. If all those 10,000 users are competing for one single CPU, you are
right, but who would do that?
>
> You have not read the post. i was talking about context swithcing spped,
> not datadase access speed.
..well, you quickly generalized. W2K makes great servers, indeed, regardless
if the x86 context switch time.
>The two are different, and if you claim to
> know anything about computers, you should realise that.
You sound pretty much like Apple telling the world that their latest
PowerMac is twice as fast as the fastest Intel-based computer (*). I don't
care how long my CPU takes to switch tasks as long as I'm not writing some
hard real time stuff. The only numbers that counts is how much work my
server is able to perform in a given time, and at what cost.
(*) at adding integers.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Weigand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: 30 Oct 2000 00:39:28 +0100
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Forward compatibiliy is a problem. You can't run large databases,
>> > seeks on large files, or large streaming files until you've upgraded
>> > to the 2.4 kernel. This especially limits databases, and video
>> > editing. Uncompressed HTDV video consumes about 8 megabytes/second.
>> > A 2 hour movie can require around 60 gigabytes. NTSC requires 1/2
>> > that.
>>
>> IIRC 2.2 on 64 bit (proper) computers can handle large files
>This is true, because ints in 64 bit computers are 64 bit, thus allowing the
>file system to be a signed 63 bit integer.
>However, this also illustrates another problem. It's physically impossible
>to take such a formatted disk and put it into a 32 bit computer. For
>instance, suppose I have a 2.5 GB removable disk that I want to share
>between my Alpha and Intel PC's. Can't do it.
Of course you can (unless you use some really weird file system).
The ext2 file system layout for example is portable across
architectures; it is defined in terms of fixed-width integer
types (__u8, __u16, __u32 etc.) and is always in little-endian
byte order (the kernel does byte swapping as necessary on
big-endian architectures).
This means that on all architectures, the file system has the
same limits: for ext2, the maximum file system size results
from the fact that 32-bit integers are used to index the blocks,
which means a maximum size of 8 TB (with 4k block size).
The maximum *file* size is somewhat less: again, with 4k block
size, an indirect block can span 1024 blocks, or 4MB file size,
a double-indirect block spans 1024 indirect blocks, or 4GB
file size, and a triple-indirect block spans 1024 double-indirect
blocks, that is 4TB file size. The total file size is thus
4TB + 4GB + 4MB + 40kB (1 triple-indirect, 1 double-indirect,
1 indirect, and 10 direct blocks inside the inode).
The reason why unpatched 2.2 kernels on 32-bit architectures
cannot handle files > 2 GB (although the *ext2 file system* can)
is simply that the virtual memory management and virtual file
system layers used 'int' variables at various points to hold
file sizes / offsets into files. On 64-bit architectures,
this doesn't in fact limit anything, and on 2.4 kernels, these
variables were redefined to count file offsets not in bytes,
but in pages. This raises the maximum usable file size to
8 TB on 32-bit architectures, which is enough to hold every
possible ext2 file.
--
Dr. Ulrich Weigand
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:27:22 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:29:00 -0700, Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > :
> > :"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > :news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > :> :Look at Oracle. You pay for the software by the mhz of the chip you
> run
> > :it
> > :> :on .... as if that was any of their f**king business.
> > :> :
> > :> :Upgrade the processor and pay more money!
> > :> :
> > :> :Talk about extortion.
> > :>
> > :> Why? I see no relation.
> > :
> > :I guess you are blind.
> > :
> > :> The problem with Microsoft's business practices is that they were
> > :intentionally
> > :> designed to thwart agreements between the Microsoft client and some
> other
> > :> third software maker by means other than offering a superior product.
> > :
> > :They were designed to strongly encourage companies that sold hardware to
> > :sell only Microsoft software in the same way GM, Ford, and Chrysler
> strongly
> > :encouraged franchisees to only sell cars made by the company that sold
> them
> > :the franchise.
> >
> > But of course the automakers do not have market power to make a big
> > difference, because I see lots of franchises offering multiple
> > competing marques owned by different companies.
>
> That may be happening now. But it is a recent situation.
Precisely. Because it was only recently (within the last decade) that
several dealerships went to court to put and end to "punitive pricing"
schemes aimed at those who choose to offer competitor's products.
>
> >
> > And automobiles are a free market with very low costs for competitive
> > substitution on the part of consumers {essentially the convenience of
> > the service bay to one's home is about it}, and do not have technical
> > features that govern the construction of major add-on parts of large
> > economic significance.
>
> Try to order a GM car with a Ford motor or ... (substitute any combination
> of parts and companies).
Considering that this is a near impossibility (without thousands of
dollars of work in the engine compartment to move engine mounts AND to
get everything to fit....your argument is nothing but red herring.
Hint fucking hint: Ford motors were never designed to be mounted in
GM products (nor vice versa). Conversely, Linux and Solaris BOTH
have version for computers with Intel and/or AMD CPUs.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:43:16 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> That's just it. Many of MS's tech support people (those people that write
> most of the samples) *ARE* still in college, or are very recent graduates.
>
> College teaches you theory, and very little practice.
Have things really gone that far downhill since I went to college?
Structured programming and no or very limited use of gotos was drilled into me
about a quarter century ago.
Gary
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why should I keep advocating Linux?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:53:46 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> He is a classic example of a person who has
> NO PRIVATE CONVICTION but rather
> has sold his SOLE and in it's place has
> inserted MICROSOFT.
Windows is used by 92% on the desktop, and about 40 % on the server
market...Windows wins...*nix loose...
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:53:54 GMT
>
> Since a laboratory found the top secret NSA and M$ codes a few years ago
> I said that this monopoly should be put in check because it has created
> a national security hazard.
>
wich labratory?...and when?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:51:25 -0500
Static66 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:59:58 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:24:13 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> >How panicked is the Algore camp? They election is two weeks away, and
> >> >already, they trotting out the excuses about how the American public
> >> >has been "fooled" by Bush....because they just can't admit that the
> >> >American public doesn't buy his phoney-baloney pagan environmentalist
> >> >babble, nor his targeted-for-nobody non-tax-cuts, or the fact that he
> >> >is a pathalogical liar.
> >
> > Dream on.
> >
> >> >I liked Nader's response when someone mentioned that he's costing
> >> >Algore votes: "Of course I am...the whole purpose of being a candidate
> >> >is to take votes from the other candidates"
> >
> >> That is a good one.. He is still just another EnviroNazi the world can
> >> do with out. I like Browne though. He just makes too much damn sense.
> >> He has really been railroaded by the media he and nader should have
> >> recieved equal time.
> >
> > However, according to "private sector good, public sector bad"
> >ideology, the news media is doing the Right Thing. And if it is not,
> >then why hasn't it gone broke?
>
> You are truely an idot Loren..WTF kind of arguement is that? How can
> you draw a corelation between not wanting state run schools into it is
> ok for the press not to give third party canidates equal time?
>
> For that matter wtf call them third party. why not canidates.If they
> recieved the same amount of press I would think they have as much
> chance to be elected as anyone else.
>
> I believe it is against the law for them to give more time to a dem
> than a repl right? So why not give the green and the lib equal time?
>
> This should fit into your "making the world fair through socialism"
> philosphy Loren..
Loren's life revolves around hypocrisy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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